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Everyone's a winner in girls' 400 relay (Nice story)
Pittsburg Post-Gazette ^ | Mike White

Posted on 05/13/2005 11:16:27 AM PDT by fso301

The four girls who had been tearing up Western Pennsylvania high school track had been brought to tears, their hopes of defending their district and state championships in the 400-meter relay dashed by a fallen runner on Wednesday.

But a goodwill gesture by some opponents has given Penn Hills High School another chance. Three teams that finished ahead of them decided to step aside, giving the Penn Hills girls a shot at the championships after all.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: athletics; forfeit; highschool; losers; relay; sportsmanship; track
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I hope Fox will put all the girls and their coaches on.
1 posted on 05/13/2005 11:16:28 AM PDT by fso301
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To: fso301

I'm sorry, but this one deserves a barf alert. They lost. They should get over it.


2 posted on 05/13/2005 11:19:02 AM PDT by Redcloak (Over 16,000 served.)
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To: Redcloak

Indeed. Its sports welfare.


3 posted on 05/13/2005 11:20:18 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Redcloak

I think I agree.


4 posted on 05/13/2005 11:20:47 AM PDT by The G Man (The Red States ... the world's only hope for survival.)
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To: fso301

Maybe we should have given Saddam a do-over.


5 posted on 05/13/2005 11:21:38 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Redcloak
I'm sorry, but this one deserves a barf alert

Maybe I missed something in the article but the forfeitures to me appear to have been unsolicited.

6 posted on 05/13/2005 11:21:41 AM PDT by fso301
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To: Redcloak

>>They lost. They should get over it.<<

Dude!
You are hard hearted.


7 posted on 05/13/2005 11:21:46 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Pope B16-Smacking down Heresy since 1981!-Benedict Gott Geschickt)
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To: fso301

um, dropping the baton is part of these kinds of races. they dropped it. they lost fair and square. there wasn't anything mean or nasty about their loss, it was all part of the sport.

would they have stepped aside had any other team dropped their baton?


8 posted on 05/13/2005 11:23:39 AM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you.)
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To: Redcloak

Agreed. Sometimes life sucks, get over it.


9 posted on 05/13/2005 11:23:42 AM PDT by SengirV
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To: Redcloak
I'm sorry, but this one deserves a barf alert.

I could NOT AGREE WITH YOU MORE. This story deserves a major barf alert.

The girls had a great season, but didn't qualify to move on because they lost. Losing is a part of life, as is winning. What good is winning if someone else "lets" you win?

Like my brother-in-law is fond of saying: "We are raising a nation of pussies."

10 posted on 05/13/2005 11:24:49 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: fso301

Get the Violin out..

This is pathetic.


11 posted on 05/13/2005 11:24:57 AM PDT by Josh in PA
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To: Redcloak

Here's where I disagree w/ you a bit.

The decision to step aside was make by these 3 teams themselves. It was not asked for or demaded by the team that lost.

Although I do see your point. They fell. They lost. End of story. But I'd be much more upset if someone other than the 3 teams themselves caused this to happen.


12 posted on 05/13/2005 11:25:08 AM PDT by crushkerry (Visit www.anklebitingpundits.com for great original conservative commentary)
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To: Redcloak

I disagree. It is sportsmanship of the type we don't see much anymore. Those young ladies and their coaches are heros in my book.


13 posted on 05/13/2005 11:25:13 AM PDT by blau993 (Labs for love; .357 for Security.)
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To: camle
would they have stepped aside had any other team dropped their baton?

I seriously doubt it which is why the voluntary actions of the other teams is comendable imo.

14 posted on 05/13/2005 11:26:10 AM PDT by fso301
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To: fso301

Similar to a basketball player for a girls HS team who broke her foot and was 1 point shy of the school record and the other team let her hobble downcourt for an uncontested layup.


15 posted on 05/13/2005 11:26:27 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: fso301
While the race results are very unfortunate for the Penn Hills girls, this is an athletic competition. You screw up, you lose.

Sometimes, life sucks. The answer isn't to give them a bye. To do so defeats the whole point of athletic competition.

How many times have we seen Olympians (ice-skaters, track/field, etc) screw up just the same and suffer the consequences?

16 posted on 05/13/2005 11:26:37 AM PDT by gdani
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To: Redcloak
I'm sorry, but this one deserves a barf alert. They lost. They should get over it.

The other teams volunteered; this wasn't something demanded or even requested by the team that fell. This was a great gesture that is the very definition of good sportsmanship.
17 posted on 05/13/2005 11:26:47 AM PDT by drjimmy
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To: gdani; Hemingway's Ghost
For that matter, why keep score at all? Let everbody go to State. And by all means, make sure everbody gets a trophy.
18 posted on 05/13/2005 11:28:43 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: fso301
Maybe I missed something in the article but the forfeitures to me appear to have been unsolicited.

Which makes it even more pathetic, in my book. What kind of Moonbeams and Sunshines and Summers are on an athletic team that forfeits to another team just because that team had an otherwise "super" season, but spit the bit at the last second? Extremely weak.

19 posted on 05/13/2005 11:28:56 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: drjimmy

Even better sportsmanship would have been to urge the other teams not to step aside.


20 posted on 05/13/2005 11:29:03 AM PDT by dsmatuska
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To: blau993
Those young ladies and their coaches are heros in my book.

And they say people throw about the term "hero" too lightly these days . . .

(eyes rolling)

21 posted on 05/13/2005 11:30:09 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: fso301

I wonder how the team who will finish second to them at States will feel about this. Robbed, I'm sure.


22 posted on 05/13/2005 11:30:24 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: fso301
1) A good gesture by the teams that decided to step aside.

2) However the teams that LOST but was allowed to win should also have made a good gesture of their own ....and refused to take the winning position based on the simple fact that they lost.

23 posted on 05/13/2005 11:30:25 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear tipped ICBMs: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol.)
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To: dsmatuska
Even better sportsmanship would have been to urge the other teams not to step aside

Exactly. In all fairness, the Penn Hills girls should refuse their offers to step aside.

24 posted on 05/13/2005 11:31:03 AM PDT by gdani
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To: Wolfie
For that matter, why keep score at all? Let everbody go to State. And by all means, make sure everbody gets a trophy.

Super! Everybody gets a chance to hit! Nobody makes an out! Let's go get an ice cream! Wee!

25 posted on 05/13/2005 11:31:12 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: crushkerry

It was Norwin, the sixth place team that deserves the lion's share of the plaudits. They finished among the top 8 in sixth place. The other two teams were 9th and 10th so they would not have gone if the results stood. I credit Norwin for making the sacrifice for Penn Hills. Norwin was the catalyst.


26 posted on 05/13/2005 11:31:26 AM PDT by kabar
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Somewhere, somehow, someone other than the runners benefited from this.


27 posted on 05/13/2005 11:32:16 AM PDT by vollmond (Head back to base for debriefing and cocktails.)
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To: Redcloak

Yes, they lost and they accepted it with broken hearts, but they never asked for special treatment. It was by the graciousness of OTHER teams that moved them into the finals. It is the type of story of selflessness that we need to see more often.


28 posted on 05/13/2005 11:32:28 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

I graduated from Penn Hills, just outside of Pittsburgh. Maybe this will catch on and the hapless Pirates can get into the playoffs.


29 posted on 05/13/2005 11:33:08 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: fso301
Misfortune and failure build character.

Which would be a far more valuable lesson for these children than any glory they might attain winning some stupid high sports competition.

30 posted on 05/13/2005 11:33:40 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: camle

They probably would have won. They were the favorite.


31 posted on 05/13/2005 11:33:45 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: gdani
Sometimes, life sucks. The answer isn't to give them a bye. To do so defeats the whole point of athletic competition.

Not the same thing imo. If the team that had the girl fall was the one demanding it, I'd agree. However, as far as I can tell, three teams, without outside pressure voluntarily forfeited.

How many times have we seen Olympians (ice-skaters, track/field, etc) screw up just the same and suffer the consequences?

Countless times which is why this case is so different.

32 posted on 05/13/2005 11:33:46 AM PDT by fso301
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To: drjimmy
This was a great gesture that is the very definition of good sportsmanship.

Baloney: good sportsmanship means being a good winner and a good loser. Good winners don't step aside so that the loser can "win."

33 posted on 05/13/2005 11:34:09 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: fso301
Misfortune and failure build character.

Which would be a far more valuable lesson for these children than any glory they might attain winning some stupid high sports competition.

34 posted on 05/13/2005 11:34:38 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Semper Paratus

"Similar to a basketball player for a girls HS team who broke her foot and was 1 point shy of the school record and the other team let her hobble downcourt for an uncontested layup."

I think our kids are going to make despite us.


35 posted on 05/13/2005 11:35:45 AM PDT by righttackle44 (The most dangerous weapon in the world is a Marine with his rifle and the American people behind him)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
Misfortune and failure build character.

Someone told me once: Misfortune doesn't build good character, it reveals it.
36 posted on 05/13/2005 11:35:46 AM PDT by dsmatuska
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
"...a nation of pussies"

You're brother-in-law is correct! Life is full of disappointments, which make the accomplishments even sweeter. Big "f"ing deal. One of them fell. Relays alway run the risk of one of runners falling. Geez!
37 posted on 05/13/2005 11:35:58 AM PDT by poobear
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Like I said, the team that finishes second to them at the chamionships is gonna feel rightly robbed.


38 posted on 05/13/2005 11:35:59 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: spetznaz
2) However the teams that LOST but was allowed to win should also have made a good gesture of their own ....and refused to take the winning position based on the simple fact that they lost.

Agree 100%

39 posted on 05/13/2005 11:36:00 AM PDT by fso301
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To: Wolfie
Maybe this will catch on and the hapless Pirates can get into the playoffs.

!!!!

Inspired by the sacrifice of these young women, I'm going to start a campaign right now to encourage the Red Sox, the Yanks, the Orioles, and the Jays to step aside and allow the Devil Rays to take the AL East. After all, why not give someone else a chance to feel groovy?

40 posted on 05/13/2005 11:37:28 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: poobear
Big "f"ing deal. One of them fell. Relays alway run the risk of one of runners falling. Geez!

Oh, if only that big, bag hockey team would've "taken back" some of the goals they scored on me in the state tournament . . . my team might have made it out of the first round, and then I'd know what it feels like to be a winner! Sniff, sniff.

41 posted on 05/13/2005 11:40:06 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Semper Paratus
Similar to a basketball player for a girls HS team who broke her foot and was 1 point shy of the school record and the other team let her hobble downcourt for an uncontested layup.

Sounds like a plot line to a King of the Hill episode.

42 posted on 05/13/2005 11:41:28 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Oh, if only that big, bag hockey team would've "taken back" some of the goals they scored on me in the state tournament . . .

If only Chris Webber didn't call time out....

If only Scott Norwood would have kicked it through the uprights.....

If only, if only, if only.........

43 posted on 05/13/2005 11:43:27 AM PDT by gdani
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To: Redcloak
Agreed. Bigtime. I ran track. I wasn't good at it and used it to keep in shape for football. Falling and bad baton exchanges is part of the game.
44 posted on 05/13/2005 11:43:41 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("Fire Stabenow in 2006")
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To: gdani
If only, if only, if only.........

If only Donovan McNabb didn't have a tummy ache . . . maybe Belichick should give the Iggles a do-over?

45 posted on 05/13/2005 11:44:32 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
Which would be a far more valuable lesson for these children than any glory they might attain winning some stupid high sports competition.

Who knows, someday down the road, maybe one of these girls will be an Olympian trailing the leader and the leader falls but remembering what happened to her in high school, she will on live worldwide television do the same.

Maybe it won't be public but for these girls advancing "underservedly", sometime down the road, this event will remain with them and they will hopefully do the same to someone.

46 posted on 05/13/2005 11:45:00 AM PDT by fso301
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To: vollmond
Somewhere, somehow, someone other than the runners benefited from this.

Their parents, who ran thier kids around the lat 15 years trying to help their kids do well in sports. < /I gotta run my girls to softball lacrosse swimming and dance this weekend!>

47 posted on 05/13/2005 11:45:11 AM PDT by ctlpdad
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
After all, why not give someone else a chance to feel groovy? Probably the only way the Lions will ever win a Super Bowl.
48 posted on 05/13/2005 11:46:51 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("Fire Stabenow in 2006")
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To: fso301
THIS is a prime example why women aren't as effective in leadership roles as men are. Nor should they be as trusted to make the right decisions when the chips are down and hard decisions need to be made.

Sure, it's a feel good story, but for goodness sake, they LOST!

49 posted on 05/13/2005 11:49:44 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with really stupid enemies.)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

"Good winners don't step aside so that the loser can win."



Well said. This to me is the crux of the matter. Losing is the toughest thing in sports but its also the strongest motivator and the best teacher. A winner who denies a loser his loss is selfish. Your point seems to be a profundity lost on some.


50 posted on 05/13/2005 11:50:09 AM PDT by macamadamia
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