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Did Early Humans Go North or South?
Science Magazine ^ | 2005-05-13 | Peter Forster and Shuichi Matsumura

Posted on 05/14/2005 7:58:39 AM PDT by Lessismore

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To: blam

Wow! Did the antrhopoligist have any Khosian type skeletons from Europe (or from wherever the Celts came from) to back his hypothesis?

The Khosians also have some peculiarities in their sex organs. Another group from Irish legend, the Formorians, were presented as generally deformed. I wonder if that also could be an exaggeration of the Koho's peculiarities?


61 posted on 05/15/2005 9:00:12 AM PDT by Ahban
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"Wow! Did the antrhopoligist have any Khosian type skeletons from Europe (or from wherever the Celts came from) to back his hypothesis? "

Nah. I don't even remember where I read that.

"Another group from Irish legend, the Formorians, were presented as generally deformed. I wonder if that also could be an exaggeration of the Koho's peculiarities?"

The Formorians are described as big, black, ugly and from 'under' the sea. I just figured they were black seafarerers. Albeit, they are reputed to have 'married' some of the later (traceable) immigrants to Ireland. Maybe, 'Black-Irish'?

62 posted on 05/15/2005 9:06:09 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam; thefactor
I guess this makes sense:


63 posted on 05/15/2005 9:14:36 AM PDT by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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To: CobaltBlue
I'm interested in this topic, so you can put me on your subset ping list, although I do seem to get pinged by the GGG list pretty consistently.

You'd be better off relying on the GGG list for this type of article. Sometimes I ping my list for this stuff, but often I don't.

64 posted on 05/15/2005 9:14:51 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: blam
The Formorians are described as big, black, ugly and from 'under' the sea. I just figured they were black seafarerers. An bhfuil siad dubha...? Is Gael mé, agus níméamhruighim seo... I.e., where'd you hear that? :) That black part, I mean.
65 posted on 05/15/2005 9:20:38 AM PDT by Eeper
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"An bhfuil siad dubha...? Is Gael mé, agus níméamhruighim seo... I.e., where'd you hear that? :) That black part, I mean.

The Fomorians

"The Fomorians were an ancient sea-faring race it is thought that they originally came from Northern Africa or Asia as they are described as having dark hair and dark skin in the original accounts. The name 'Fomor' literally means 'beneath the sea' from the Gaelic faoi-mhuir. Today scholars believe that 'Mor' means 'phantom' or 'spirit' and therefore proves that the Fomorians were considered to be Gods with magical powers."


66 posted on 05/15/2005 9:32:58 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam

How interesting. I'll have to ask them how they decided such a thing. Thanks. :)


67 posted on 05/15/2005 9:53:35 AM PDT by Eeper
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Ancient DNA And Human Origins

"Southern Africa is home to representatives of the most ancient race of humans - the Khoi-San people. Could genetics companies find a new kind of gold in South Africa?"

68 posted on 05/15/2005 11:37:32 AM PDT by blam
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THE KHOISAN

Khoisan is the name by which the lighter skinned indigenous peoples of southern Africa,the Khoi (Hottentots) and the San (Bushmen) are known. These people dominated the sub-continent for millennia before the appearance of the Nguni and other black peoples.

This is evident from their marvelous animated paintings on rocks and caves walls as far afield as Namaqualand, the Drakensberg and southern Cape. The many clicking sounds used in their speech had influenced the language of some of the Bantu-speaking nations well before the arrival of the white colonists in the 17th century

` In the past they were hunter-gatherers, living largely off game, honey and the roots and fruits of plants. They lived - and some still do today in total harmony with nature, posing no threat to wildlife and vegetation by over-hunting or gathering. The semi-nomadic existence of the Sanwa's (and is) governed by the seasons and the movement of game.

The San have short, slight bodies, small hands and feet and yellow-brown skin that wrinkle early. The women tend to store fat in their buttocks and have sharply hollowed backs. They look exactly like the characteristic profiles depicted in the San rock paintings. They store fat in their buttocks - a natural adaptation to their precarious existence in a harsh environment.

In time the whites encroached upon the San's traditional hunting grounds. Some Bushmen went to live with them and others moved on west and north in search of land where they could live freely. Today they are found only in the northwestern Cape, the Kalahari, Namibia and Botswana.

Most groups today are less nomadic than their forebears are. However, the desert San lives much as their ancestors did. They move in small clans, each with its clearly defined territory. The women gather wild melons such as tsamma - a source of food and water, roots and edible berries. The men hunt with wooden bow and arrow and use clubs and spears if necessary. The arrowheads are tipped with poison made from insect grubs. It acts slowly on the victim's nervous system.

The Bushmen, known for their stamina, may sometimes have to pursue their prey for a great distance before the animal finally drops, ready for a kill. They are superb trackers and may follow a herd for many days before getting close enough to use bow and arrow. After such a kill, the whole group joins in the feast, singing and dancing in a trance-like ritual around the fire. When game is scarce, the group splits up into smaller parties to search for food. In severe, prolonged droughts the women chew the bark of a particular tree which acts as contraceptive, so preventing an increase in the number of mouths to feed. Snakes, lizards and even scorpions are eaten.

To provide liquid in dry areas and for times of drought, the San store water in ostrich shells, which they bury deep below the sandy desert surface. They recover the shells with uncanny accuracy. Skin carosses, loin cloths and aprons are the San's only adornments. Their semi- nomadic life makes it impossible to possess anything that is not easy to carry. Their shelters are built of sticks and form roughly a circle, 150mm high. Some clover the sticks with mats woven from reeds

The clan system of the Khoi was somewhat more regulated than that of the San. Each group had a chief. Their dwellings were beehive-shaped huts made with pliable sticks. Long mats, the strips sewn together by the women covered the frame, leaving an opening at either end. Doors made of a narrower mat to roll up or down was hung over these openings. The huts could be dismantled quickly and transported on the back of oxen as they moved on. These mat-covered huts can still be seen in Namaqualand.

The Khoi (Hottentots) are much like the San in appearance, but slightly taller. The essential difference between the two peoples is in their respective traditional lifestyles. Originally both semi-nomadic, the Khoi kept flocks of sheep and herds of oxen. Some planted crops and established semi-permanent settlements. They developed the craft of pottery making.

69 posted on 05/15/2005 11:46:26 AM PDT by blam
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Here's an excellent map by Professor Stephen Oppenheimer (Notice his name in the credits) that was funded by the Bradshaw Foundation.

It looks like the earliest humans went west.

70 posted on 05/15/2005 11:47:28 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Eeper

So, since I'm too dumb (in some areas) to understand the data....what takes place differently from my version of "Popular presentation"?


71 posted on 05/15/2005 6:30:02 PM PDT by norton (build a wall and post the rules at the gate)
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