Posted on 05/14/2005 7:58:39 AM PDT by Lessismore
Cheers, PB
Thanks. Please do.
As I remember, you're a multiregional guy like myself (and Coon and Wolpoff). I STILL have a problem with the speed of change. That is, is it conceivable that we are able to get mongoloid-type people from African-type people in a mere 30K years? It doesn't make intuitive sense...
And, what about the shovel incisors in the Peking Homo erectus (shovel incisors being present in modern Asians)? More evidence will convince me, but I must admit I am still a bit skeptical...my only agenda is a desire to learn the real truth.
Click the link in blam's post (#23) above. Excellent.
Yup, I'm a Wolpoff guy.
Oppenheimer, in his excellent books, Out Of Eden and Eden In The East, have me 'reeling'.
Also, he said that the oldest (undisputed) Mongoloid skeleton ever found is only 10k years old. (The disputed skeleton is 23k years old from the Lake Baikul(sp) area)
"I agree. The ones that went north went north and the ones that went south went south...now was that so complicated?:)"
You don't understand. If they simply said that, they could lose the grant. If they lose the grant, they might lose the university--hmm.
Yeah, what's so complicated about the ones that went north went northand the ones that went south went south?
Early humans went south. The rest of the primates moved north and are termed Yankee's.....
(I should know I'm currently living among them).
you can pick them out easily - they're the ones who know how to use apostrophes.
Huh??
Haven't scientists yet discovered early simian records of directions for mankind just in case apes evolved??
(Geez, Freeper ApesforEvolution [RIP] would have loved this)
I'll be the first to admit I find punctuation a complete mystery ( followed closely by spelling ;-)
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"the late Allan Wilson" made his infamous "village idiot" remark in a harangue in which he also claimed that language was A) unique to the OOA variety of human and B) made possible by mtDNA. That particular claim never really caught on; alas, the GIGO mtDNA studies have.
Thanks, Blam
I will read it and spend some enjoyable time learning more about the origins of early humans
"That is, is it conceivable that we are able to get mongoloid-type people from African-type people in a mere 30K years? It doesn't make intuitive sense..."
That really is the question, and this latest research, if valid, makes the problem even harder because instead of multiple migrations of different racial prototypes from Africa, this implies one group only, which then split multiple times.
The cool thing though is this is being resolved so quickly now that we should have the whole story within the next five years.
I'll try for changing to a botanical thread.
I participated in a similar study for the plant commonly known as Spanish Moss. The botanist was attempting to use the same tecnique to locate the point of origin (center of growth) for the plant and collected samples of genetic material all along its range.
My part was to find and collect specimens of Spanish Moss from the northernmost outpost of the range. I located the point in First Landing State Park located on the southern edge of the Chesapeke Bay as it enters the Atlantic. This is also known as Cape Henry.
Strangely believe it, but the Bromeliad known as Spanish Moss is one of the most successful plants in the Western Hemisphere. It definitely has the largest range. Its range extends continuously from Virginia to Southern Argentina and some off shore islands in between
Wow. A subject I am interested in, too. I live about halfway between Montgomery and Auburn, Alabama. I work in Montgomery. There is Spanish moss in Montgomery, but not 25 miles North of Montgomery where I live. As I drive to work I am constantly looking for new outbreaks of Spanish moss. It sees to end at the Tallapossa river, but only where it flows West/East. At the other side of its big bend, where the flow is North/South, no Spanish moss.
Not a biologist but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express. It does seem fast in evolutionary terms. Also, I'm not clear on exactly what the evolutionary pressures were on those blacks who left Africa long ago and went to Europe. Why did their skin lose pigmentation so quickly? Presumably, they wore clothing so skin color wasn't critical to successful hunting (like it would be for an animal).
One other thing, there's pretty good history covering 5000 years now. That's a significant fraction of the 30K years mentioned. How much have humans evolved in that time??? Does it compare in any way to rate of change long ago? I don't think so.
The bottom line is that general audience publications oveersimplify all science reporting. "Eve" is a metaphor.
The science behind this could be wrong, but it is not a hoax.
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