Measuring the F-22 Advantage - (compared to European fighters; Rafael, Eurofighter, and Gripen?)

STRATEGY PAGE.COM ^ | MAY 11, 2005 | HAROLD C. HUTCHISON

[SteveMcKing]

While some missiles like the Storm Shadow and SCALP have reduced radar cross-sections, some weapons still reflect radar well.

Those weapons could be re-designed for stealth, no? Plus the internal design of the F22 weapons can be a limitation -- meaning no fancy optical, FLIR, secret-gizmo equipment can be mounted in place of a weapon.

[King Prout]

good find.

how is it that you find all this good stuff, CHARLITE?

[LasVegasMac]

two things are apparent: First, the United States has a significant head start on stealth technology – mostly because of the head start of ten to fifteen years that was gained by the successful protection of the F-117’s gestation.

Second, the stealth race is on, and efforts are being made to catch up with the United States.

I'm sure the 'Rat / Lib crowd is, you know, 'deeply concerned' or 'deeply saddened' over this stunning announcement.

Rumor has it that the top 'Rat think tank has said, "should we gain power again, we will certainly stop all research and development in this area. It is vital, for global relations, that the USA does not intimidate - by virtue of technological prowess - even the lowly third world members of our global community! Everyone must be treated fairly, so they don't feel bad or left out!"

LVM

[ProudVet77]

The Rafael’s RBE2 is capable of searching out and tracking targets in the air and on the ground or sea, as well as classifying those targets, and it also is a low-probability of intercept radar, which means that it can track targets with less chance of the target knowing it is a target.

This is not quite technically correct. LPI radars, use lower power and narrower beams (and other tricks) to reduce intereception by other sensors in the area. The plane being targetted will hear the radar being aimed at it. The F-22 has a multi-mode radar, one mode being LPI.

[Darksheare]

Charl finds them through magic...
*chuckle*

Cool.

[labette]

Rumor has it that the top 'Rat think tank has said, "should we gain power again, we will certainly stop all research and development in this area.
Not only that, but SELLING such technology for DNC campaign income would interest the rats also.

[strategofr]

"Not only that, but SELLING such technology for DNC campaign income would interest the rats also."

I believe this sentence needs to be in the past tense, since Clinton already did that with China in the 90s.

[strategofr]

"how is it that you find all this good stuff, CHARLITE?"

Not familiar with CHARLITE's MO, but just going to Strategy Page is the easiest way I know to find great information on all military matters.

[King Prout]

CHARLITE bags all kinds of good stuff.

it is a puzzlement

[labette]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1167147/posts

And since they got away with it, we can expect more treachery.

[MS.BEHAVIN]

PING!!
Ms.B

[Trimegistus]

So why are our European "friends" so eager to produce a fighter which can beat ours?

[Nucluside]

Doesn't matter. That's why ours have to be the best.

[labette]

So why are our European "friends" so eager to produce a fighter which can beat ours?

So they can sell to the Chi-Coms first.

[CHARLITE]

"how is it that you find all this good stuff, CHARLITE?"

I look around for interesting articles almost 24/7. I'm a "seeker!"

Thanks for your comments!

Char :)

[CHARLITE]

"Everyone must be treated fairly, so they don't feel bad or left out!"

That is PRECISELY what their position is, à la Janeane Garafalo, Michael Moore, Martin Sheen, Susan Sarandon, Tim Robbins.......that whole rancid group. They've all loudly and publicly expressed their "dismay" that there isn't a super power in the world which equals our strength!

[Sandreckoner]

"Plus the internal design of the F22 weapons can be a limitation -- meaning no fancy optical, FLIR, secret-gizmo equipment can be mounted in place of a weapon."

Sure it can. Besides, once forward air superiority is established the need for max stealth is mitigated, and anything that needs to be mounted externally can be. (Or can be ran in on other airframes.)

Strategypage is an interesting site, but many of the "articles" (some linked in this story alone) are pretty questionable. (The discussion of whether U.S. stealth is really "so" ahead of European, for example, begins by discussing a Swedish stealthy ship design that reports say has interested the U.S., which underscores a tremendous lack of understanding of the reasons why the U.S. might express interest in the design and instead leaps to the idea that we simply aren't able to accomplish the same thing ourselves.)

[Southack]

"Those weapons could be re-designed for stealth, no?"

Redesigning those weapons for stealth takes time and matters little. The European aircraft themselves are flying radar reflectors...and their radars and jammers (think: giant radio transmitting beacon for a HARM) actively broadcast their location, day and night.

To be competitive in the air wars of today and the near future, winning fighters will all have at least ONE of the following traits:
1. Stealth (active and passive),
2. Amazing peak speed,
3. Be unmanned, and/or
4. Have an orbital or sub-orbital capability.

The European aircraft have NONE OF THE ABOVE.

[international american]

"CHARLITE bags all kinds of good stuff.

it is a puzzlement"

Innate brilliance probably helps a bit.