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Soviet Union had plans for first use of N-weapons in Europe
Daily Times ^ | May 17, 2005 | Khalid Hasan

Posted on 05/16/2005 6:36:02 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

WASHINGTON: The Soviet Union had plans to attack Western Europe that included being the first to use nuclear weapons, according to a new book of previously secret Warsaw Pact documents published at the weekend.

Although the declared aim was to pre-empt NATO “aggression,” the Soviets clearly expected that nuclear war was likely and planned specifically to fight and win such a conflict.

The documents show that Moscow’s allies went along with these plans but the alliance was weakened by resentment over Soviet domination and the belief that nuclear planning was sometimes highly unrealistic. Contrary to Western views at the time, pact members saw themselves increasingly at a disadvantage compared to the West in the military balance, especially with NATO’s ability to incorporate high-technology weaponry and organise more effectively, beginning in the late 1970s.

According to a news release by the National Security Archives that declassified the material on the 50th anniversary of the founding of the Warsaw Pact that makes up the 726-page volume, the shift began in the 1960s from defensive operations to plans to launch attacks deep into Western Europe. There were also plans to initiate the use of nuclear weapons, ostensibly to pre-empt Western first-use. Soviet expectations were based on the assumption that conventional conflicts would go nuclear, and there should be plans to fight and win such conflicts. The documents make clear the deep resentment of alliance members, behind the façade of solidarity, of Soviet dominance and the unequal share of the military burden that was imposed on them.

Also evident from them are East European views on the futility of plans for nuclear war and the realisation that their countries, far more than the Soviet Union, would suffer the most devastating consequences of such a conflict. The documents underline the “nuclear romanticism,” primarily of Soviet planners, concerning the viability of unconventional warfare. The papers include a retort by a Polish leader that “no one should have the idea that in a nuclear war one could enjoy a cup of coffee in Paris in five or six days.”

The documents also underscore ideologically the impact of Chernobyl as a reality check for Soviet officials on the effects of nuclear weapons. There was pervasive spying on NATO, mainly by East Germans. There is also data on the often disputed East-West military balance, seen from the Soviet bloc side as much more favourable to the West than the West itself saw it, with the technological edge increasingly in Western favour since the time of the Carter administration. The motives accounting for the Warsaw Pact’s offensive military culture included not only the obsessive Soviet memory of having been taken by surprise by the nearly fatal Nazi attack in June 1941 but primarily the ideological militancy of the Marxist-Leninist doctrine that posited irreconcilable hostility of the capitalist adversaries. The influence of the doctrine may explains the distorted interpretation of secret Western planning documents that were unequivocally defensive documents to which Warsaw Pact spies had extensive access. So integral was the offensive strategy to the Soviet system that its replacement by a defensive strategy under Gorbachev proved impossible to implement before the system itself disintegrated.

According to the news release, “The Soviet military, as the ideologically most devoted and disciplined part of the Soviet establishment, were given extensive leeway by the political leadership in designing the Warsaw Pact’s plans for war and preparing for their implementation. Although the leadership reserved the authority to decide under what circumstances they would be implemented and never actually tried to act on them, the chances of a crisis spiralling out of control may have been greater than imagined at the time. The plans had dynamics of their own and the grip of the ageing leadership continued to diminish with the passage of time.”


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1 posted on 05/16/2005 6:36:04 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Well, doh.
2 posted on 05/16/2005 6:40:08 PM PDT by dodger
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Remember when the Chinese and Russians were bickering over a river border in the late 60's and all of a sudden it was over? Then the rumors began to fly about the Russians popping the tactical nuke.


3 posted on 05/16/2005 6:40:43 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (My US Army daughter out shot everybody in her basic training company.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Although the declared aim was to pre-empt NATO “aggression,” the Soviets clearly expected that nuclear war was likely and planned specifically to fight and win such a conflict.

The Bear was ready to sh*t in the woods, this is no surprise. We had similar plans drawn up I'm sure. You prepare for every contingency.

4 posted on 05/16/2005 6:42:50 PM PDT by Paradox (In my heart, I will always be something of a Liberal, in my head, a Conservative. Head wins.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Of course they planned on first strike. That's why, under the ABM treaty, Moscow used their defensive missles to ring Moscow, while the US used ours to protect the offensive missile silos.

The USSR had no need to protect their offensive silos inasmuch as they would be emptied out by the first strike.


5 posted on 05/16/2005 6:46:43 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I thought we had first use plans to: tactical nukes against their armor.


6 posted on 05/16/2005 6:54:18 PM PDT by NYFriend
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To: U S Army EOD

They've done that at least two or three times. The Russian/Soviet v. Chinese border wars are still going on, too - just never hits the news and isn't always hot.


7 posted on 05/16/2005 7:02:34 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Leave it to the Russians to launch a nuclear bomb upwind from their own country.
8 posted on 05/16/2005 7:09:37 PM PDT by Shortwave (Ted Kennedy’s rhetoric has killed more American soldiers than his car has killed women.)
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To: Shortwave
Leave it to the Russians to launch a nuclear bomb upwind from their own country.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL!!! HILARIOUS AND SO TRUE!!! Actually ROFL!!!!
9 posted on 05/16/2005 7:14:47 PM PDT by realnola (-realnola.com)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I was on active duty, and then working for a major defense contractor during the mid-late 70s during the critical period between the time the Soviet third generation weapons came on line in the mid-1970s and the time ours were due in quantity by 1982. It was a very tense time for the home team, with fairly serious expectations the Soviets might come over the border in the Fulda Gap. Interesting to read something of the Soviet side in the unclassified press.


10 posted on 05/16/2005 7:27:07 PM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: NYFriend

During an ORE (Operational Rediness Exercise) at my AF base in the 80's our wing commander was talking about how we were going to deal with a chemical attack from the Russkies. All of a sudden, he stopped his canned speech and said " actually men, if they toss a chemical SCUD at us, we load the "Silver Bombs" on the jets and send them a big bright message". Not one of us doubted he meant it.


11 posted on 05/16/2005 7:31:19 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Tailgunner Joe; Dog Gone
More proof that Reagan was right to move those medium range missles into the eastern boundaries of western Europe. It pist off the same people that are pist off about Bush's designee to be UN Ambassador, today!!!

Now I gotta go read the thread to see whose toes I just stepped on...

12 posted on 05/16/2005 7:49:10 PM PDT by SierraWasp (The "Heritage Oaks" in the Sierra-Nevada Conservancy are full of parasitic GovernMental mistletoe!!!)
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To: SierraWasp
Now I gotta go read the thread to see whose toes I just stepped on...

When you're right, you're right. Those who've had their toes stepped on will tell you, if they're courageous in their fallicious indignation.

Of course, if you're wrong, there will be hell to pay.

13 posted on 05/16/2005 7:58:57 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
"if you're wrong, there will be hell to pay."

Oh, brother! Don't I know it!! Heck, I din't even read the artickle before I posted that reply!!!

My own audacity just shocks even ME!!! Phhhht!!!

14 posted on 05/16/2005 8:11:53 PM PDT by SierraWasp (The "Heritage Oaks" in the Sierra-Nevada Conservancy are full of parasitic GovernMental mistletoe!!!)
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To: CatoRenasci

A major move in the nuke on nuke capability was the fielding of the Patriot (Sam-D) missiles on the part of the US. The US by a simple software change converted the Patriot to an anti ballistic missile weapon.

It was after that, Reagan was able to get the Soviets to withdraw their IRBMs. That didn't change the total throw weight the soviets had, because moving them back to the USSR, the Soviets were able to add a third stage and use them against the US. Still, it made the conventional defense of Europe more likely.


15 posted on 05/16/2005 8:17:12 PM PDT by Donald Meaker
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