Catholic-Bashers and Pius' Defenders

The American Cause ^ | May 18, 2005 | Patrick J. Buchanan

[iconoclast]

Bump!

[OpusatFR]

The moment the left embraces the Catholic Church is the moment I leave it.

[Aquinasfan]

* After hearing the pope's Christmas address of 1941, the Times wrote: "The voice of Pius XII is a lonely voice in the silence and darkness enveloping Europe this Christmas. ... In calling for a 'real new order' based on 'liberty, justice and love' ... the pope put himself squarely against Hitlerism."

* In October 1944, after the liberation of Rome, the New York Times wrote, "Under the pope's direction, the Holy See did an exemplary job of sheltering and championing the victims of the Nazi-Fascist regime."

Which NY Times to believe?

"Being a lover of freedom, when the revolution came in Germany, I looked to the universities to defend it, knowing that they had always boasted of their devotion to the cause of truth; but, no, the universities immediately were silenced. Then I looked to the great editors of the newspapers whose flaming editorials in days gone by had proclaimed their love of freedom; but they, like the universities, were silenced in a few short weeks...

Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler's campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly.

Albert Einstein
Time Magazine, 12/23/40

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The charity and work of Pope Pius XII during World War II so impressed the Chief Rabbi of Rome, Israel Zolli, that in 1944 he was open to the grace of God which led him into the Catholic faith. As his baptismal name, he took the same one Pius had, Eugenio, as his own. Later Israel Eugenio Zolli wrote a book entitled, Why I Became a Catholic.

[AlaskaErik]

The moment the left embraces the Catholic Church is the moment I leave it.

I believe it's the Catholics who have embraced the left. If every Catholic had voted for George Bush he would have won in two landslides. If every Catholic stopped voting for Rats, the DemocRATic party would cease to exist.

[Neocon Shavuz]

Pat Buchanan's views on Jews in any possible aspect of either History, Politics, Religion etc. can not be regarded as an objective ones. He is "tough on Jews" to put it nicely.

If you are more interested in the facts rather then in emotional antisemitic squeal, read that

http://www.jcrelations.net/en/?id=970
It's Preliminary Report of International Catholic-Jewish Historical Commission on Holocaust.

[BlackElk]

Not specifically mentioned in the Buchanan article is the priceless annotated bibliography by Inside the Vatican writer William Doino, which is a majority of the entire volume. Anything that anyone would ever want to or need to know about the entire "Pius War" will be found in Doino's impressive work.

[TomB]

If you are more interested in the facts rather then in emotional antisemitic squeal, read that

Very few people around here have been tougher on Pat than I have in the past, but there is NOTHING in this article that can even remotely be term "antisemitic".

Throwing that term out on this thread greatly weakens any argument you may have. To wit, I noticed you failed to address any issue presented.

[wideawake]

I disagree strongly with Buchanan on Israel and many other things.

But this disgusting slander of the saintly Pius XII has got to stop.

He did more to fight the Holocaust than any other European leader except maybe Churchill.

[Alberta's Child]

Pat Buchanan's views on Jews in any possible aspect of either History, Politics, Religion etc. can not be regarded as an objective ones.

In your smug, self-absorbed arrogance, you seem to overlooked the fact that this article isn't about "the Jews" at its core -- it's about Pope Pius XII.

[NYer]

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[StAthanasiustheGreat]

I actually finding myself nodding my head with Pat Buchanan on this. I cannot stand the way Pius XII is slandered and defamed all in an effort to tear down the Church. Yes, he could have done more, but he did so much as it was. He opened up cloistered monastaries and convents. He saved so many Bulgarian and Romanian Jews. He used Rome and parts of the Vatican to hide those fleeing the Nazis. Yet, for all this, he is condemend for not doing enough. He did more than Herr Schindler to save Jews and is condemend for it.

[Dionysius]

I would never leave the Church, but, rather, fight to the end of my means to keep secularism from despoiling her. However,I feel we have less to fear with Benedict at the helm. It is the modernists who should tremble.

[Dominick]

I believe it's the Catholics who have embraced the left.

Ethnic Catholics, who are mostly unionized workers in the eastern corridor vote as most union people do, for rats. Bishops and Clergy in those areas influence many others in the nation. SO at one time your supposition was correct.

There is a large and growing segment of the Church who are Republican and not ashamed of it. Most serious Catholic in the South and in the Midwest have not followed this model. Most workers in those area are also not union, and miss the constant and rank-andfile dues payer funded indoctrination of the AFL-CIO, an arm of the Democratic Party. Even down south, union shops are outposts of liberalism.

As for Catholics, in the last election, at the National Convention of the Knights of Columbus (a Catholic Fraternal Organization) President Bush was invited to speak, as a defender of Life. The (c)atholic Kerry was not invited, as he is not supporting the cause with the Knights.

Do not think things are as they once were, and while things change, in the Catholic Church in America, things do not turn on a dime. Things will change as people notice that Republicanism is closer (but not congruent) with Catholic teaching.

[redhead]

More bumping...

[Neocon Shavuz]

You are right, Pat doesn't measure sculls to prove his point, but I know he is antisemite, and so do you.
I won't argue with anything he said or might say in the future. Anything he says is tainted by his bias.
As about ANY issue, one should value opinion expressed not buy any openly-biased sides (like Pat or me)
but independent, unemotional source, like the link I have posted.

[Neocon Shavuz]

Well, it is about Pope and Holocaust, and therefore, about "the Jews", my emotional friend.
Don't get me wrong. I definitely don't think Pope Pius XII was the guy to blame for the atrocities committed by Nazis.
My point is, is you decide to opine. Lay off your religious rage and other hot stuff and get the facts. It is that simple.

[Alberta's Child]

What are "the facts" here? Pat makes a very cogent point by illustrating that "the facts" as reported in the early 1940s are remarkably different than "the facts" as reported in recent years -- by the same freakin' newspaper!

[ArrogantBustard]

I defy you to identify even ONE line from this article which is even remotely "antisemitic".

Adopting a vaguely Jewish sounding screename does not entitle you to commit slander.

[jrny]

Things will change as people notice that Republicanism is closer (but not congruent) with Catholic teaching.

Amen to that!

If anyone reads "Rerum Novarum" he would instantly realize that the socialism that Democrats espouse is antithetical to Catholic Social Teaching. OTOH, GWB's Opportunity Society Platform mostly conforms to the tenets in "Rerum Novarum".