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Crowd cheers as cop is beaten
Gary Post-Tribune ^ | May 20, 2005 | Lori Caldwell

Posted on 05/21/2005 7:01:19 AM PDT by 2Am4Sure

As a group of residents cheered, a Glen Park man tackled Gary Patrolman Carl Cochran, choking the officer and threatening to kill him in an unprovoked attack Wednesday night, Lt. Roger Smith said.

Cochran, a five-year veteran and member of the department’s elite S.W.A.T. team, suffered cuts to his face and injuries to his arm and back as a result of the protracted struggle with Kelvin D. Banks, 40.

Cmdr. Jerome Krebes said Thursday he ordered additional patrols in the area in response to the incident.

A small group of people — ten or less — surrounded the officer during the struggle as Banks wrestled with the officer and tried to grab Cochran’s gun.

“Cochran grabbed his wrist to stop him while Banks kept one hand on his throat and Banks said, 'I could kill you right now if I wanted to!’ . . . Cochran reported he could not reach his portable radio,” the police report states.

Banks was charged Thursday in Lake Superior Court in Crown Point with battery, resisting law enforcement, intimidation and disorderly conduct and faces up to three years in prison if convicted of the charges, Diane Poulton, spokeswoman for Prosecutor Bernard Carter, said.

Patrolman Richard Knight arrived at 5000 Washington St. to assist Cochran at a domestic dispute and saw his partner struggling with Banks.

Both men were on the ground and a group of residents were crowded around urging Banks to keep up the attack, Smith said. Eventually, Knight and Cochran subdued Banks, who continued to defy officers after he was handcuffed and being led to the squad car, police said

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Gary Indiana is populated by the absolute scum of the earth.
1 posted on 05/21/2005 7:01:20 AM PDT by 2Am4Sure
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To: 2Am4Sure

No more patrols in that area...In fact, direct every prostitute, drug dealer, gang member and sex offender to that street.


2 posted on 05/21/2005 7:04:48 AM PDT by Dallas59 (" I have a great team that is going to beat George W. Bush" John Kerry -2004)
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To: 2Am4Sure

Gary is a nasty town, that is for sure.


3 posted on 05/21/2005 7:04:58 AM PDT by csvset
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To: 2Am4Sure

The bystanders should be charged with inciting to riot.


4 posted on 05/21/2005 7:05:19 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: 2Am4Sure

The cops may not know everybody involved in that incident, but you can bet that nobody in that neighborhood will ever get the benefit of the doubt from the cops ever again.


5 posted on 05/21/2005 7:08:55 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Proud infide since 1970.)
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To: 2Am4Sure

Not "New York, Paris France or Rome"?


7 posted on 05/21/2005 7:09:06 AM PDT by garyhope
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To: csvset

..and with such a cute song about it...the Music Man has left town.


8 posted on 05/21/2005 7:09:22 AM PDT by battlegearboat
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To: 2Am4Sure

And if the officer had shot any of them in self defense, there would be outrage on the front pages of all the papers about "officer shoots unarmed men".


9 posted on 05/21/2005 7:09:23 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: snarks_when_bored

I agree. Our tax dollars at work in a place that doesn't want basic services. Geez, can't we just cordone off the area? After all, its a DMZ. And please don't tell me about poverty...when immigrants who can't speak English and are not white make it.


10 posted on 05/21/2005 7:09:24 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Everything I need to know about Islam I learned on 9-11!)
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To: 2Am4Sure
Cochran, a five-year veteran and member of the department’s elite S.W.A.T. team...

Sounds like the "elite" SWAT team needs to put their fancy gear aside and practice some basic hand-to-hand combat techniques.

11 posted on 05/21/2005 7:09:35 AM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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To: 2Am4Sure

Amen to that. I used to live near there and that's what one area that no rational thinking person would ever go. I got lost up there once and I thought I was going to die before I got out. They don't call it the "Murder Capitol" of the world for nothing.


12 posted on 05/21/2005 7:09:42 AM PDT by pctech
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To: 2Am4Sure

And they say L.A. is bad.


13 posted on 05/21/2005 7:11:10 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: 2Am4Sure

Sounds like Benton Harbor Michigan.


14 posted on 05/21/2005 7:12:05 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Anyone who thinks we believe Hillary on any issue is truly a moron.)
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To: 2Am4Sure

Ack! Those idiots are SO wrong! Cheering when a cop is attacked? Excuse me while I barf.


15 posted on 05/21/2005 7:12:41 AM PDT by LibKill (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.)
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To: 2Am4Sure


I was born in Detroit and I am fairrly hard to scare.

I once had to overnight in Gary.

I was traveling with my daughter when she was just two years old, and she had gotten sick.

I drove through some very nasty turf looking for a place to stay with this poor child throwing up non-stop in the back seat. It was a VERY scary place.

I finally DID find a Holiday Inn, and after scurrying with her inside, I locked the door and didn't open it again til the sun was well up.

If she hadn't been so sick, I NEVER would have had anything to do with Gary.


16 posted on 05/21/2005 7:19:22 AM PDT by tiamat (Can't sleep...clowns will get me..can't sleep...clowns will get me...can't sleep....clowns will get)
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To: 2Am4Sure

Wasn't the Jackson Family Freak Show from Gary?


17 posted on 05/21/2005 7:19:40 AM PDT by zzen01
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To: tiamat

Wow ((shudder))


18 posted on 05/21/2005 7:21:43 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: cyborg

JUST where I wanted to be.

A small white woman, traveling alone with a sick kid.

Might as well have a target painted on my forehead.

It was the only time I've ever REALLY wanted a gun.

I was damn glad I had my combat knife with me.


19 posted on 05/21/2005 7:24:28 AM PDT by tiamat (Can't sleep...clowns will get me..can't sleep...clowns will get me...can't sleep....clowns will get)
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To: Nathaniel Fischer

Is this a chickenfeed DA or what? I'd have topped that list with attempted murder.


20 posted on 05/21/2005 7:25:20 AM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state and Georgia, the rotten peach, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: Dallas59

We need to sunder the nation into the liberal one and the heartland. Gary, Indiana could become part of the Great Lakes Urban Archipelago, which would include Detroit, Chicago, Toledo, Cleveland, Buffalo, Duluth, Rochester, Erie, and a few others.


21 posted on 05/21/2005 7:27:31 AM PDT by rcofdayton
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To: tiamat

Sometimes I wonder if we divided the country into conservative and liberal what each side would look like.


22 posted on 05/21/2005 7:29:44 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: 2Am4Sure

Gary is one place that you absolute don't want to find yourself in.


23 posted on 05/21/2005 7:31:40 AM PDT by Patti_ORiley
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To: cyborg

ROFL!

Are you SURE you want to start that here?

The Usual Suspects will take it a an opportunity to decry anything that isn't white and Christian.


24 posted on 05/21/2005 7:36:19 AM PDT by tiamat (Can't sleep...clowns will get me..can't sleep...clowns will get me...can't sleep....clowns will get)
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To: snarks_when_bored

"The bystanders should be charged with inciting to riot."

We aren't given enough information for you to make this charge. This cop may have had a reputation for being a real jerk and the people were sick of him. I don't know and neither do you.


25 posted on 05/21/2005 7:38:22 AM PDT by jwh_Denver (My monkey is working on a new tagline.)
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To: tiamat

Well it'd be their denial. They say they aren't down with western civilization or christianity so they have half of the country to do whatever they want. Let's see how the white and black liberals figure out that.


26 posted on 05/21/2005 7:40:17 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: 2Am4Sure
a group of residents were crowded around urging Banks to keep up the attack

OK. Since I don't know Gary, I have to ask. Was this black residents on a white cop?

27 posted on 05/21/2005 7:40:48 AM PDT by GVnana
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To: 2Am4Sure

"Gary ... scum of the earth."

I was once offered an assignment to a Naval Reserve Unit in Gary. I was interested, until I read up on the city. *Shudder*


28 posted on 05/21/2005 7:41:28 AM PDT by AngrySpud (Behold, I am The Anti-Crust ... Anti-Hillary)
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To: 2Am4Sure

What's with domestic violence calls?


29 posted on 05/21/2005 7:42:24 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: cyborg
" Sometimes I wonder if we divided the country into conservative and liberal what each side would look like."

It would take about six months for the liberal regions to start begging the conservative regions for foreign aide.

The U.N. would then expound how stingy the conservative region is with their money.

And we would have to put up with statistics showing that the liberal region is 50%-60% HIV positive -- and its all the conservative regions fault for not sending enough condoms.

30 posted on 05/21/2005 7:42:49 AM PDT by A message (Counter-revolutionary Capitalist)
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To: jwh_Denver

Encouraging assault on a police officer is reasonably construed as inciting to riot, it seems to me. If the D.A. doesn't charge, that's a political decision; if the D.A. charges and the jury acquits, that's the justice system.


31 posted on 05/21/2005 7:44:00 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: A message

yup.


32 posted on 05/21/2005 7:44:23 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: A message

Sad, but probably true.


33 posted on 05/21/2005 7:50:40 AM PDT by tiamat (Can't sleep...clowns will get me..can't sleep...clowns will get me...can't sleep....clowns will get)
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To: randog
Sounds like the "elite" SWAT team needs to put their fancy gear aside and practice some basic hand-to-hand combat techniques.

My guess is the perp was a large, confident fighter. Shrinking violets don't usually tackle the police.

Cops are good at ground fighting and submission holds, but a serious brawler with a size advantage is a formidable adversary.

34 posted on 05/21/2005 7:51:23 AM PDT by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: csvset
Gary is a nasty town, that is for sure.

I remember doing some overnight work at a Indiana Bell building in Gary in the eighties. All the building people carried a sidearm. They even told us to park our vehicles by the front door where the working street lights were.

35 posted on 05/21/2005 7:51:50 AM PDT by woofer
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To: 2Am4Sure

The real estate bubble has not reached Gary yet.


36 posted on 05/21/2005 7:52:54 AM PDT by hubbubhubbub
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To: cyborg

I used to live on a street with a lot of cops.

(I baby-sat for all of their kids! LOL!)

Those guys told me that the ABSOLUTE most dangerous call to answer is the Domestic Violence ones.


37 posted on 05/21/2005 7:53:58 AM PDT by tiamat (Can't sleep...clowns will get me..can't sleep...clowns will get me...can't sleep....clowns will get)
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To: Patti_ORiley

Yea, in Winter the residents steal the wood of the downtown windows to make fires and stay warm. LOL


38 posted on 05/21/2005 7:54:28 AM PDT by hubbubhubbub
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To: GVgirl

Not a certainty--but more likely than not.


39 posted on 05/21/2005 7:55:24 AM PDT by sam_whiskey (Peace through Strength)
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To: FairOpinion
And, sadly, more than our fair share here on FR hollering the same.
40 posted on 05/21/2005 7:57:46 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: 2Am4Sure

Reminds me of in the late 80s here in Dallas (downtown).

A Dallas officer, John Chase, was giving a verbal warning to a homeless bum for something or other.

Somehow the bum got Chase's gun. He pointed it at Chase's head, and as the officer dropped to his knees and begged for his life, a crowd of maggots at the bus stop all cheered and shouted "shoot him".

He did, and the officer died at the scene.


41 posted on 05/21/2005 8:01:54 AM PDT by SerpentDove (Qwertyuiop!)
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To: Dallas59
"No more patrols in that area...In fact, direct every prostitute, drug dealer, gang member and sex offender to that street."

I was thinking something very similar. If the neighborhood will not act in a civilized manner let them suffer the fruits of their labor.

42 posted on 05/21/2005 8:06:19 AM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: jwh_Denver
Sorry. Doesn't wash. I've seen many incidents when cops, oft times trying to take care of calls/reports made by residents, are attacked just because they are cops. In some areas, cop hating is a community sport. Most intercity areas have hosts of activists primed to go after cops in court and city hall. Jumping a cop, beating him and trying to take his gun is kinda draconian,..even if he is a "jerk". I've had a couple of similar incidents happen to me when making an arrest. I was lucky. Plus, my "situational awareness" in police work always seemed to benefit from my combat background. Like the man said: "Everybody hates cops,..if you want to be loved, be a fireman."
43 posted on 05/21/2005 8:06:36 AM PDT by womcg (was in the hospital longer than Kerry was in-country)
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To: womcg

Not everybody hates cops!

I usually get along with them quite well, and I like having them in my neeighborhood.

Samee for firefighters and military.


44 posted on 05/21/2005 8:08:49 AM PDT by tiamat (Can't sleep...clowns will get me..can't sleep...clowns will get me...can't sleep....clowns will get)
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To: womcg

Thanks for your service.

Would you convict the perp knowing what you know now? That is strictly my point.


45 posted on 05/21/2005 8:22:52 AM PDT by jwh_Denver (My monkey is working on a new tagline.)
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To: zzen01

Yep...and so was Marian the librarian in The Music man.


46 posted on 05/21/2005 8:27:35 AM PDT by chgomac
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To: xsrdx
Agreed. An ex-con who just spent 3-6 years pumping iron and practicing disarming moves is not unusual. Same for big, violent street crazies. Worked a case once where the lone cop was distracted by a crowd, and got taken down from behind in a surprise attack. Only thing that saved him was an unmarked car and two detectives with Remington 870's. Sad fact is that most cops are not experinced street fighters, nor gun fighters, for that matter.
47 posted on 05/21/2005 8:31:05 AM PDT by womcg (was in the hospital longer than Kerry was in-country)
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To: womcg
Agreed.

When I was a patrolman back in the late 70’s, I pulled over a guy for several traffic violations. I approached the vehicle and he exited his (we were in an apartment parking lot, about 6:30 in the am). Just as I got close and started the drill, WHAM a fist came flying out of nowhere. I was, at that time, recently out of university, a 5’ 7” gymnast (Rings specialty) and was fairly muscular. The bad guy was 6’ 3” and 250 lbs. Hurt like hell.

The hit knocked me over the back of his car and the fight was on. We scrapped and rolled and I kept rolling over onto my gun because he was constantly trying to get the gun. A crowd gathered during the fight and cheered on the bad guy. I recall clearly to this day “Get his gun, shoot him!” being said over and over and over.

Finally I prevailed (nothing fights like a scared man). Hurting, out of breath and totally spent.

(Side comment: I wish I was some 120lb Reebok-wearing kick-boxing girl. . .then things would have turned out differently. . .I mean, come on. . .on TV the 120lb Reebok-wearing kick-boxing girl quickly knocks the doo outta big bad guys all the time. Anyway. . .I digress.)

As I was on top of his prone body, the crowd began to approach us and made comments about “save the brother.” It was at this time I was in enough control that I drew my weapon and pointed it at the crowd. I was fully prepared to shoot anyone that came close. Period. No question. I was going to kill anyone that tried to approach, and told the crowd that. Crowd eventually backed off.

This was one simple traffic stop turned bad. Who knew the guy was recently out of prison, on parole. He had murdered a neighbor in an argument over a stereo. He had been ticketed several times since his recent release and thought the police were hassling him.

Thing is, I didn’t know him, he didn’t know me, the crowd didn’t know me either. All they saw was Blue and that was enough to encourage hate and murder.

Thing is, times two, if that had happened today, someone on FR would make wild conjectures as to the crowd thinking I was a jerk or somehow deserved being attacked, or making some excuse to mitigate the guilt of the bad guy. Moreover, if I had shot somebody in the crowd, some on FR would be harping for my hide because I was some rogue cop that abuses authority and looks for reasons to shoot some poor unarmed sap.

Just me talking.
48 posted on 05/21/2005 8:32:39 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: 2Am4Sure

I live next door (Portage) to Gary. That place looks like a no-mans land.


49 posted on 05/21/2005 8:34:59 AM PDT by stbdside
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To: Eaker; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; archy; backhoe; Badray; t_skoz; Becki; Jack Black; Joe Brower; ...
CW II Ping.

Item 16: Watch for the emergence of "no go" areas for the police in our citites, areas abandoned by the police and left to the control of street gangs. The existence of these areas will be officially denied of course, and the police will occassionally mount media oriented forays into them, but it will be pure theater.

50 posted on 05/21/2005 8:52:48 AM PDT by Jack Black
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