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The Black Confederate
RedState.org ^ | 21 May 05 | Tom Darby

Posted on 05/21/2005 1:31:37 PM PDT by CurlyBill

The Black Confederate

By: Tom Darby · Section: Diaries

Contrary to popular historical education and Southern revisionists, there is much evidence that African-American's served their country not only in the Union army but also in the Confederate army and navy. This evidence is found in the diaries, journals, newspaper articles and documents written by soldiers, officers and politicians.

Many institutions have set about to dismantle these findings by declaring them as `revisionist,' however the proof that these written accounts exist at all shows that slaves were present in the service of their state and country.

It was the commanders in the field who saw the greatest potential in the use of the African-American slave long before the politicians would admit their value. On January 2nd, 1864 Major General Patrick Cleburne of the Army of Tennessee, circulated a petition among several officers calling for the enrolling and arming of slaves into the Southern Army.

The petition read in part, "As between the loss of independence and the loss of slavery, we assume that every patriot will freely give up the latter---give up the Negro slaves rather than become a slave himself." It was signed by three other generals, four colonels, three majors, one captain, and two lieutenants.

Politicians were horrified by the idea. Confederate Major General and political advisor to Jefferson Davis, Howell Cobb pointed out, "If slaves will make good soldiers our whole theory of slavery is wrong." Davis had Cleburne's petition suppressed, yet the idea would not go away.

In February 1865, General Robert E. Lee wrote to Confederate President Jefferson Davis requesting authorization to fill his ranks with slaves, saying that they were already physically fit, and mentally conditioned to be well disciplined. In March, the Confederated Congress passed a bill that when to Davis' desk.

While it was awaiting his signature General Lee wrote the President again, "I do not know whether the law authorizing the use of Negro troops has received your sanction, but I respectfully recommend the measures be taken to carry it into effect as soon as practible." It was signed on March 13th and by the first of April, Colonel Otey, 11th Virginia Infantry, was assigned to duty in Lynchburg, VA, to recruit, muster and organize black units for the Confederate army.

Although this unit saw no action according to official accounts other records indicate they were drilling and standing by to defend the city. There are also historical documents indicating that thousands of slaves served in the Southern army as noncombatants in roles like cooks, teamsters and musicians.

And when called upon they would fight along side `freemen' who served in such outstanding state-militias like the 1st Louisiana Native Guard; Company A and F, 14th Mississippi Confederate Calvary; Company D, 35th Texas Calvary; or the 1,150 black sailors who served in the Confederate navy.

Finally, the first military monument in the US Capitol which honors African-American soldiers is the Confederate monument, erected in 1914. It depicts a black Confederate soldier marching in step with white Confederate soldiers. Also shown is a white soldier giving his child to a black woman for safety.

We may never understand everything about those five remarkable years, but we cannot ever stop trying. And it is time to realize that the historical record has been obscured to the truth on the part of the African-American's role in the Southern Army as a soldier and sailor and to bring these facts to light as both a matter of pride and education.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Miscellaneous; US: Alabama; US: Florida; US: Georgia; US: Louisiana; US: Maryland; US: Mississippi; US: North Carolina; US: South Carolina; US: Tennessee; US: Texas; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: blackconfederate; blackconfederates; civilwar; confederacy; confederate; dixie; goodblacks; historyrevisionism; notthishitagain; statesrights; thesouth
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1 posted on 05/21/2005 1:31:37 PM PDT by CurlyBill
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To: stainlessbanner

Ping!


2 posted on 05/21/2005 1:32:08 PM PDT by CurlyBill (Democratic Party -- Wimps without ideas whose only issue is to oppose Republicans)
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To: CurlyBill
shows that slaves were present in the service of their state and country

Well, yeah. They were slaves.

3 posted on 05/21/2005 1:35:11 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido

A black fighting for the Confederacy is like a rich person fighting for Communism-it plain does not make any SENSE!


4 posted on 05/21/2005 1:38:49 PM PDT by Riverman94610
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To: Riverman94610
"...like a rich person fighting for Communism..."

Perhaps illogical, but that does not make it untrue. Most of the people who are fighting for Communism are rich people.

Consider just the examples of Senators Kennedy, Kerry, and Clinton.

5 posted on 05/21/2005 1:45:08 PM PDT by NicknamedBob ("What's with Modern Music? If I want screaming and shrieking, I can go home to my family." - George)
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To: NicknamedBob

True enough.Guess its just a case of the absurd and paradoxical state of the human mind!
We are not a logical species.


6 posted on 05/21/2005 1:49:39 PM PDT by Riverman94610
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To: Larry Lucido
"Well, yeah. They were slaves"

Not all of them. I would suggest you look at the 1850 census records for New Orleans. Several Black Slave owners. This is the real hidden history of the pre Civil War South. Free Blacks also owned slaves.
7 posted on 05/21/2005 1:50:59 PM PDT by Bar-Face
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To: Bar-Face

True of course, but the article makes reference after reference to use of slaves, not Freemen or black slave holders.


8 posted on 05/21/2005 1:55:57 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Riverman94610; NicknamedBob

Don't forget Soros.


9 posted on 05/21/2005 1:56:50 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido
Yes they were slaves but they did not have to fight. In fact for most of the war it was officially forbidden to arm the slaves. Most slaves in the front came as body servants to officers and enlisted white solders. There are more than a few accounts of the master running away while the "body servant" slave stayed and fought. They were free to return home when the master deserted but most chose to stay and serve. The article seems to imply the officers were behind arming the slaves and it is true for the people he cites but many officers did not approve, but the white enlisted men would cover for the Black slave who wanted to stay and fight. When the officer was around the slave would pretend to be about his business, cleaning weapons etc. but when the fighting started he would join his comrades. There is much testament from Union solders caught by surprise by a slave fighting for his country, The SOUTH.
10 posted on 05/21/2005 1:59:20 PM PDT by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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To: Riverman94610
Re: "We are not a logical species."

Not so fast. You have an advantage that the slave did not; you know the outcome of the war.

It is possible to consider the best chances for earning your freedom was to fight for the South and be granted your freedom as a reward, while the success of the North was by no means certain, at least in the minds of those living at the time. Even many in the North thought the South could win the war and there were a few moments when the political will was very precarious. Many credit the force of will of Lincoln with getting the Union through those periods.
11 posted on 05/21/2005 2:07:31 PM PDT by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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To: Mark in the Old South
There is much testament from Union solders caught by surprise by a slave fighting for his country, The SOUTH.

How could that be? Did the slave have citizenship? No, of course not. Therefore, it can't by definition be his country.

Statements like that are unbelievable. Just a cursory knowledge of the law of the land should prohibit one from even making that argument!


12 posted on 05/21/2005 2:09:53 PM PDT by rdb3 (One may smile and smile and still be a villain.)
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To: CurlyBill

Most people dont realize that Slavery in the southern states was about MORE than mere Race. There were free, black slave owners, thousands of them. Slavery was a way of life for many back in Africa. Not all blacks were slaves in the US South. Some blacks owned slaves. This fact is astounding to many, confusing for some, and leads to a cognitive dissonance in others..


13 posted on 05/21/2005 2:09:56 PM PDT by Paradox (In my heart, I will always be something of a Liberal, in my head, a Conservative. Head wins.)
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To: Mark in the Old South

I don't doubt those facts, and they are certainly belong in any body of research on the subject. The significance of such facts may be subject to debate, though. What might be helpful is personal accounts of those volunteers (or conscripts, as the case may be) in the form of diaries or letters that indicated their motivations. Maybe being on the front line with a gun was preferable to being "back home" for one reason or another. Maybe the promise of freedom or some level of privilege in the Confederacy was another. And of course, there had to be a certain number of true believers, for whatever that's worth.


14 posted on 05/21/2005 2:11:53 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Paradox
Most people dont realize that Slavery in the southern states was about MORE than mere Race. There were free, black slave owners, thousands of them.

An honest acknowledgement of history shows that to be true. There were many black slave owners. It's not a secret.

Slavery was a way of life for many back in Africa.

True, but what has that to do with this nation? Answer: Nothing.

Not all blacks were slaves in the US South. Some blacks owned slaves. This fact is astounding to many, confusing for some, and leads to a cognitive dissonance in others..

Somehow I missed being in a state of cognitive dissonance about this. I wonder why that is.


15 posted on 05/21/2005 2:14:13 PM PDT by rdb3 (One may smile and smile and still be a villain.)
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To: rdb3
Did the slave have citizenship? No, of course not. Therefore, it can't by definition be his country.

Helsinki syndrome, perhaps?

16 posted on 05/21/2005 2:15:39 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: rdb3
How could that be? Did the slave have citizenship? No, of course not. Therefore, it can't by definition be his country.

Brilliant!

Any black man or woman who voluntarily fought for the Confederacy was a damn fool.

17 posted on 05/21/2005 2:16:43 PM PDT by Petronski (A champion of dance, my moves will put you in a trance, and I never leave the disco alone.)
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To: Riverman94610
A black fighting for the Confederacy is like a rich person fighting for Communism-it plain does not make any SENSE!

It's an historical fact that blacks did fight for the South. They didn't have them at division strength as did the North, but they served none-the-less.

As for sentiment, Shelby Foote tells of a slave that accompanied Lee's army into Pennsylvania that thought PA looked like a nice place, but he preferred "home."

The Civil War was as complicated as are human beings, a blending of meanness and greatness as Bruce Catton described.

18 posted on 05/21/2005 2:20:54 PM PDT by stevem
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To: CurlyBill
I was just reading this article about HK edgerton, a black confederate historian and historical activist and found a portion appropriate for this discussion:

http://www.ashevilletribune.com/blackrebel.htm

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Edgerton blames the media and the educational system for creating the perception that exists today regarding southern history. "This is a continuation about the lies of the Christian southern white folks during the Civil War. African Americans in this country don't know a thing about that war and that time. They see that flag and someone says slavery and it all falls apart and they think of Southern Christian white folks as being evil."

"We can't let the stars and stripes get away that easy. Never were the stars and bars flag flown over a slave ship. And you want to know why? Because it's a Christian Battle Flag that was emulated after St. Andrew, Jesus Christ's first disciple. In 69 A.D. in Petro, Greece -- now a part of Russia -- St. Andrew was jailed because of his teaching and preaching of Jesus Christ, his Lord and Master, and he was told he was going to be crucified on the cross. He begged that persecutor not to nail him to that Latin cross in the shape of "T" because he was not worthy of being punished the way Jesus Christ had been nailed. So he begged to be tied in an X-shape to the cross and the persecutor did what he asked him to. That X is a Greek symbol to CH, the first two letters in Christ's name. When St. Andrew was on the cross he continued his teaching of Christ and all the folks started believing him and for three days he remained on that cross teaching and after three days they begged the persecutor to take him down and when he did, St. Andrew came down off that cross and died, and he became a martyr and a saint.

"When (Civil War Confederate ) General Beaureguard decided they needed another flag, he chose the cross of St. Andrew for these reasons. Most Southerners, in fact, did not want to do away with the stars and stripes because they didn't feel they had done anything wrong. They thought it was the north who was eradicating the Constitution.

"And as for President Lincoln, our American hero, who signed the Emancipation Proclamation. In march of 1861 Abraham Lincoln called all those black leaders in his office and he told them -- Even if I set you free you'll be inferior. You need to get out of the country because I will colonize you. Lincoln proposed the 13th Amendment, being the only President ever to do so. That amendment said Congress would never have the power to interrupt an institution of state. He told the southerners they could keep the slaves if they paid the North a 42% tariff. The South agreed to a 10% tariff but not 42%. So, who I am supposed to blame the institution of slavery on?

"At that time, one of the richest men in the world, John D. Rothchild told his family to put all their money into the Confederacy and described Lincoln as a crook. He said the slaves in the south were better off than the slaves in the north who had to work for next to nothing in the cotton mills.

"The attack on the Confederacy doesn't get the attention it deserves. These blacks today have no idea what took place back then. (Blacks) earned a place of dignity in that war. If it wasn't for Africans that war would have lasted four days, not four years. We made all of the implements of war, we fought, we participated -- not one slave insurrection happened during that period of time. They did not have whips and guns forcing them to be there. God and his infinite wisdom brought these people here. He brought about a love between master and slave that has never happened before. If you search this empirically then you will know the only one who cared about the African was the man in the south. But we don't want to face that.

19 posted on 05/21/2005 2:21:37 PM PDT by Rebelbase (The Republican Party is the France of politics--Lazamataz)
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To: Mark in the Old South
... Yes they were slaves but they did not have to fight. In fact for most of the war it was officially forbidden to arm the slaves. Most slaves in the front came as body servants to officers and enlisted white solders. There are more than a few accounts of the master running away while the "body servant" slave stayed and fought. They were free to return home when the master deserted but most chose to stay and serve. The article seems to imply the officers were behind arming the slaves and it is true for the people he cites but many officers did not approve, but the white enlisted men would cover for the Black slave who wanted to stay and fight. When the officer was around the slave would pretend to be about his business, cleaning weapons etc. but when the fighting started he would join his comrades.

If you have evidence of that, post it. Otherwise the more likely interpretation is that "cleaning weapons etc." was the slave's work, whether on not he on occasion picked up a gun.

There is much testament from Union solders caught by surprise by a slave fighting for his country, The SOUTH.

Again, if you have evidence of Union troops coming upon Blacks and being fired upon them, then post it. There are stories of Northerners taking navvys and sappers digging trenches for combat soldiers. That was a plausible mistake. There are also stories of Union troops being pinned down by snipers whom they took to be Black. The problem is that in the darkness and chaos and from a distance it would be hard to tell just what the race of a sniper was.

20 posted on 05/21/2005 2:27:28 PM PDT by x
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