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Four Dead After Plane Crashes on Beach in Coney Island
Associated Press ^
| May 21, 2005
| Michael Weissenstein
Posted on 05/21/2005 2:42:09 PM PDT by Pharmboy
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To: jim_trent
This is bookmarked to see what the NTSB says in a couple of weeks.
I think about all the kids who will have that image in their heads for a long time.
To: SamAdams76
The NTSB doesn't have much on reports before the early 80's but what they do have says to me, the crew got way behind the aircraft. Were you close enough to hear the crash?
To: Spktyr
When in doubt, firewall the throttle. Common sense reactions such as full throttle makes a spin harder to get out of, as does pulling back the yoke. A Cessna 172 has very good spin recovery ability if not aggravated. It's actually hard to keep it in a spin, assuming you've got 1,000 feet of altitude. It's one of the very few airplanes that spin practice is allowed in. But like full throttle, passengers in the back flatten the spin making it harder to recover from.
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posted on
05/21/2005 3:41:19 PM PDT
by
Reeses
(The evil force behind leftism is vanity and its sister sin envy.)
To: Pharmboy; thefactor; BrooklynGOP; Clemenza; cyborg; aculeus
Are any of you old egough to remember the big Blue Whale they brought to display behind Nathans?
It was embalmed and on a flatbed trailer, had a "carny" type show.
The thing stunk like hell in the summer heat, then one day the thing caught fire, almost took Nathens with it.
I remember seeing the Thunderbirds flying StrightWing F-84 just before they trans. to the F-100.
Also the Blues were flying Grumman F11F-1 Tigers.
Damn I'm old!
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posted on
05/21/2005 3:50:44 PM PDT
by
Robe
(Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
To: Robe
That sounds really strange :-)
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posted on
05/21/2005 3:53:37 PM PDT
by
cyborg
(Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
To: cyborg
What? The part about the whale or me being REALLY OLD ?
(:^)
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posted on
05/21/2005 3:58:35 PM PDT
by
Robe
(Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
To: Robe
The part about the whale :-)
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posted on
05/21/2005 3:59:02 PM PDT
by
cyborg
(Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
To: cyborg
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posted on
05/21/2005 3:59:57 PM PDT
by
Robe
(Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
To: All
FOX NEWS covering this now
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posted on
05/21/2005 4:02:01 PM PDT
by
Robe
(Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
To: leadpenny
I did hear a sound like thunder but I didn't think much of it at the time. It was a typical muggy, foggy summer morning. When I got back home, my mother was listening to the radio reports of the crash. It had just happened. This was in the days before videocams and satellite so it took a few hours for the television news to get pictures. They actually had to bring the film back to the studio and process it. So back in those days, you got cutting edge news from the radio, not the TV.
I remember this well because my father worked at the airport at the time as a ramp worker and his picture was in the newspaper the next day as one of many standing around the crash site. This happened on runway 4E which was only about three or four miles from my house. Over in Winthrop (next town over) you can actually see 4E across the water and the planes come a couple hundred feet over your head. Still an awesome sight. I used to take my kids out to Winthrop all the time to see the planes come in.
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posted on
05/21/2005 4:24:38 PM PDT
by
SamAdams76
(Don't You Think This Outlaw Bit's Done Got Out Of Hand?)
To: G.Mason
Yep--an really dumb remark by bloomin' idjyot.
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posted on
05/21/2005 4:26:39 PM PDT
by
Pharmboy
("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
To: Names Ash Housewares
I know nothing about flying but I had always thought that a stall related to airspeed and wings. Thanks.
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posted on
05/21/2005 4:31:10 PM PDT
by
Pharmboy
("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
To: Names Ash Housewares
I have known of many similar accidents in Cessna 172s where the aircraft was just rolled up in a ball of tinfoil. OTOH, I had a friend who survived TWO crashes in Stinsons in which the plane wound up upside down, but all walked away unharmed. The good old steel tube fuselage cage could take a lot of crash impact safely, but it wasn't suited to "mass production". Besides that, Stinsons are a joy to fly compared to any Cessna product I have ever had my hands on. Just MHO.
To: Spktyr
Woahzone-ozemegarshk! According to the F-16 Dash-1 glide slope is minimally -2380 fpm w/gear down (@200kts), or -2500 fpm with gear up (@210kts) Add to both values 4kts for each 1/2 ton of fuel & external stores in order to maintain 6 deg. AOA. According to the manual the base glide ratio works out to 1.2:1, so as velocity increases (as required to maintain AOA due to weight), the rate of decent will also increase since time to cover the 1.2 is decreasing with increased velocity. Deviate from 6 deg. AOA, and VV will increase
even more. 1.2:1 is the best one can hope for. Flameout glide slope window is between -7 to -17 deg, with a normal path between -11 to -17.
Sounds like the Viper glides a wee bit better than that Osprey. That's if a 30k Lb. metal cinder block on a parabolic path - the path being slightly altered due to the wings that are attached to the cinder block - can be called gliding.
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posted on
05/21/2005 4:42:46 PM PDT
by
raygun
To: Dick Vomer
8:1 glide ratio for a 172 at about 57 knots. He should have been at least a thousand feet above the beach since it was a populated area this would have given him several options if he had remained in control of the craft. If I can be so bold as to suggest he was probably a victim of several generations of poor spin training that occurred in the United States for years in civilian aviation.
When you are rushing down at the ground it is very difficult to make yourself keep the stick forward until you have sufficient airspeed. If you follow your natural instincts to pick up the wing with opposite aerilon and pull the nose up the spin will just get tighter.
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posted on
05/21/2005 4:46:59 PM PDT
by
cpdiii
(Oil Field Trash, Roughneck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist, (OIL FIELD TRASH was fun))
To: jim_trent
Something like that was implicated in a crash of a small twin engine during takeoff about 4 years ago. The pilot reported that the cargo had shifted and his stall shaker was going off. Immediately afterwards the plane rolled onto its back and nosed perpendicular into the ground (never got higher than a couple hundred feet).
Quite often in these circumstances, accident investigators discover the yoke bent backwards (or the wheel sometimes actually pulled off). Do you know why that is?
That's because when one encounters a stall, one suddenly begins to feel like they're falling backwards (nevermind your instruments are telling you you have forward airspeed). What's the most natural human reaction to such a feeling? And what's the closest thing to a pilot that'll satisfy that urge?
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posted on
05/21/2005 4:55:50 PM PDT
by
raygun
To: Calpernia; Velveeta; DAVEY CROCKETT; Pepper777; AZHua87; Tuba Guy; SevenofNine; lacylu
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posted on
05/21/2005 5:07:41 PM PDT
by
nw_arizona_granny
(My prayer of thanks is for all the Freepers who make my days so interesting,educational and loving.)
To: Names Ash Housewares
Every eye witness said the same thing. The plane was circling over the beach for nearly 30 minutes when it suddenly nosed down and into the beach.
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posted on
05/21/2005 5:16:45 PM PDT
by
OldFriend
(MAJOR TAMMY DUCKWORTH.....INSPIRATIONAL)
To: G.Mason
We don't call him Blooming-idiot for nothing.
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posted on
05/21/2005 5:17:09 PM PDT
by
OldFriend
(MAJOR TAMMY DUCKWORTH.....INSPIRATIONAL)
To: G.Mason
"We should be glad there are not more," said New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg.
No, mister illiterate public servant, there is nothing here to be glad about.
Say, instead, "It is fortunate there were not more."
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