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Next church-state dispute: 'In God We Trust'
Christian Science Monitor ^ | 5/23/05 | Warren Richey

Posted on 05/22/2005 9:54:28 PM PDT by Crackingham

The words appear on every dollar bill and US coin. They are displayed at the entrance to the US Senate and above the Speaker's chair in the House. But when local officials in North Carolina placed "In God We Trust" on the front of the Davidson County Government Center, they soon found themselves in federal court facing a complaint that they were violating the separation of church and state. The display was mounted in 18-inch letters that passing motorists could see on nearby Interstate 85. "If you are going to get sued, you may as well get sued for big letters," says Larry Potts, vice chairman of the Davidson County Commission.

The case is one of an array of church-state battles across the country seeking to establish a bedrock answer to a difficult constitutional question: To what extent may the government bring God into the public square? It is more than crosses, crèches, and menorahs. Last year the US Supreme Court considered whether repeating the words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance violates the First Amendment's prohibition of government establishment of religion. And the justices are currently weighing the constitutionality of displaying the Ten Commandments on public property in Texas and Kentucky. Decisions in the Ten Commandments cases could come as early as Monday, or, at the latest, by the end of next month.

Legal scholars are hopeful the Ten Commandments opinions will provide a legal landmark, offering lower courts more precise guidelines to help judges resolve the growing number of church-state disputes. At the center of the debate is whether the Constitution demands strict separation between church and state or whether it provides leeway to permit government acknowledgment of America's religious heritage. Others go further, saying the First Amendment bars establishment of a government-backed church but says nothing about government efforts to promote religiosity and faith-based morality.

The Davidson County debate over "In God We Trust" started in 2002. That's when Rick Lanier suggested posting the phrase on the side of the government center. At the time, Mr. Lanier was a county commissioner and a member of a local ad hoc group called the US Motto Action Committee, which was offering to pay for the display. Not everyone on the county commission thought it was a good idea. Critics said it would be viewed as an endorsement of religion. Some said the commission might get sued.

Lanier noted that in 1956 Congress designated "In God We Trust" as the national motto. After nearly 50 years, he said, what judge would dare declare a local display of the national motto unconstitutional? The measure passed 4 to 2. To Lanier and other supporters, the display was seen as a local response to the 9/11 terror attacks and an answer to a growing number of lawsuits seeking to remove any mention of God and religion from public life. "For the past three to four years we went from a gradual process with legal challenges from groups like the American Civil Liberties Union and American Atheists to a fast-track effort to try to completely secularize our society," Lanier says.

He adds, "If you secularize and take God and our religious heritage out of [our society], then we open the door even wider to moral corruption and tearing down the very fiber that built this country."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: aclu; cary; churchandstate; culturewars; ingodwetrust

1 posted on 05/22/2005 9:54:28 PM PDT by Crackingham
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To: Crackingham
In God We Trust.

Everyone else better keep their hands where we can see them.

2 posted on 05/22/2005 10:30:24 PM PDT by Sparticus (Are you so open minded that your brains leaked out?)
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To: Sparticus

----In God We Trust.----

All Others Pay Cash.

-Dan

3 posted on 05/22/2005 10:45:36 PM PDT by Flux Capacitor (Trust me. I know what I'm doing.)
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To: Crackingham

In God We Trust...all others checked through NCIC.


4 posted on 05/22/2005 10:49:53 PM PDT by Abundy (Locke, Hobbes, Jefferson, Madison, Hamilton, et. al. - The orginal extremist militia groupies...)
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To: Crackingham

"In God We Trust, all others we monitor." - Old amateur radio operator saying. B-) Seriously, these guys never quit, if we took these people and made them into cars, we'd put all the mechanics out of work. B-P


5 posted on 05/22/2005 10:55:09 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Lutheran, Conservative, Neo-Victorian/Edwardian, Michael Savage in '08! - DeCAFTA-nate CAFTA!)
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ping to me for later pingout.


6 posted on 05/22/2005 10:56:35 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it.)
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To: Crackingham
Liberal idiots ignorant of history don't know the phrase appears in our national anthem. "Trust In God" is a motif that goes back to the beginnings of American history. Its bound in with the concept of America itself. Take it away and you remove the underpinning of what it means to be an American: to have faith in a Higher Power blessing and guiding us; faith in our country and faith in ourselves and all our enterprises. The ACLU and secular liberals forget faith has a public as well as a private dimension. It speaks to not only what individuals profess to believe but to our national character as well. No nation can be great if it fails to attend to the condition of its own soul. There's still something to be said for "God Bless America" - as long as we truly mean it in our hearts - for there true patriotism resides forever.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
7 posted on 05/23/2005 1:30:51 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Crackingham

Will the libs eventually get to challenging our dating system. That is, the current year 2005 actually means 2005 AD (after Christ's death). I mean, certainly, only Christians should be able to use that dating method, but only in churches.


8 posted on 05/23/2005 3:08:11 AM PDT by redfreedom
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To: Constitution Day; TaxRelief; 100%FEDUP; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; ~Vor~; A2J; a4drvr; Adder; ...

NC *Ping*

Please FRmail Constitution Day OR TaxRelief OR Alia if you want to be added to or removed from this North Carolina ping list.
9 posted on 05/23/2005 3:51:47 AM PDT by Alia
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To: redfreedom
Will the libs eventually get to challenging our dating system

It's already happening:

Supporters of the Common Era alternative say that it is unfair to force a religious system on those who do not share its values. Indeed, many of those using the current AD/BC system do not do so out of choice, but out of several centuries of the Western world’s political, cultural and often military domination.

10 posted on 05/23/2005 5:03:38 AM PDT by cf_river_rat (The only way to defeat terrorism ... is to stop it, eliminate it, destroy it where it grows." GWB)
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To: Crackingham
Note my tag-line below.

Think about it.

12 posted on 05/23/2005 8:34:29 AM PDT by Nicholas Conradin (If you are not disquieted by "One nation under God," try "One nation under Allah.")
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To: Crackingham

O, thus be it ever when freemen shall stand
Between their lov’d home and the war’s desolation!
Blest with vict’ry and peace may the heav’n rescued land
Praise the power that hath made and preserved us a nation!
Then conquer we must when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto - ‘In God is our trust’.

- Francis Scott Key


13 posted on 06/28/2005 7:17:54 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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