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Fatal Crash Haunts Pal Who Gave Up Her Seat
New York Post ^ | 5/23/05 | Lorena Mongelli and Kate Sheehy

Posted on 05/23/2005 3:06:30 AM PDT by Conservatrix

The high-school senior who cheated death by suddenly backing out of a doomed Coney Island plane ride thanks God she's alive — but feels excruciating guilt over the pal's dad who took her place and died, a friend said yesterday.

"She feels guilty. Wouldn't you?" said Brother Rene Roy, principal of the tiny Catholic school in West Virginia that stricken teen Melissa McCulley attends.

Two of McCulley's best friends, Danielle Block and Jo Beth Gross, both 18, as well as Block's dad, Courtney, and the plane's pilot died in the tragic beach crash Saturday.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: West Virginia
KEYWORDS: cary; cessna; coneyisland; planecrash
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To: JustAnAmerican
It's linked to ImageShack.

They have a link to report abuse....http://img1.imageshack.us/suggest.php?q=abuse

My email to them..

Someone is linking this url to our forum board...
http://img175.echo.cx/img175/498/huge1ki.jpg
It's about 150 MBytes and is locking up people's access to our board.
As we may have to deal with this individual again, any info you have and are willing to share would be appreciated.

61 posted on 05/23/2005 5:46:30 AM PDT by kanawa
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To: DB

I don't know any specifics about the case, and wasn't really commenting specifically on the case. I was speaking generally about the kinds of things that can get pilots in trouble. I did not even read the article past the specifics about the woman's state of mind.

I do agree with you, in any case.


62 posted on 05/23/2005 5:49:30 AM PDT by rlmorel
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To: Salvation

The term is survivor guilt. Most often it comes about when a tragedy occurs, there is death(s), and a person walks away. I see it with some soldiers after battle.

If not handled properly it can be quite debilitating


63 posted on 05/23/2005 5:49:38 AM PDT by Gamecock ("Nice" people aren't nailed onto crosses.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
size: 1337 bytes, 12287 pixels X 12287 pixels

That many pixels translates into that few bytes?
I must be misunderstanding something.

64 posted on 05/23/2005 5:51:25 AM PDT by kanawa
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To: kanawa
Right clicked on image, got properties, and that is what it said. I opened another browser window to do the post.

The pattern repeated every three or four lines.

Compressed, it looked like wallpaper for a computer desktop. I got that by pasting the URL into the browser....

65 posted on 05/23/2005 5:58:50 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
I'm glad I saw your post before sending my complaint email.
I was able to erase the part about 150MBytes.
I was assuming that multiplying the pixel height and width gave the byte total.
But looking at the Hopper pic with a pixel size of 85x127 and a byte size of only 2749,
I can see my assumption is off base.
66 posted on 05/23/2005 6:10:27 AM PDT by kanawa
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To: Conservatrix
It's not the plane, it's the pilot.

Cessnas are the safest planes around. I've been a pilot since I was 16 although I'm not current at the moment, and the vast, vast majority of my time is in Cessna 150s and 172s.

They are not very fast, not very sexy, but they are ultra reliable and basically will fly themselves if you just stay out of the way. My college flying club had a Grumman American Yankee (now THERE's a dangerous aircraft, at least for novice pilots) - the first thing I did as the newly elected prez was to SELL that plane for big bux to a hot shot pilot and buy a Cessna 150 for the club (and put the difference into a repair fund).

Even if the engine quits cold on you (not a common occurrence with proper maintenance and preflight), it has an enormous glide ratio so you can just float around the sky looking for a nice cow pasture to set it down in. Doesn't take much room to land, handles beautifully with power off so long as you keep the nose down.

Sounds like this pilot either turned too tight or panicked and snatched the nose up if he actually did lose power - either one of those things will destroy lift on the wings and cause you to quit flying abruptly. Even if the engine quit, he should have been able to glide gently down the beach and settle onto the sand or into shallow water.

The NTSB has good investigators, and they will get to the bottom of what happened pretty quickly. My money's on pilot error of some sort.

67 posted on 05/23/2005 6:24:31 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: leadpenny

Great minds think alike.

;-)


68 posted on 05/23/2005 7:12:32 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: kanawa

To be honest, I am not sure how it works. I just figured that the pattern was small, but repeated until the image was huge, which might not take such a large file.


69 posted on 05/23/2005 7:32:20 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
New behaviour pattern for a troll...

...to 36, 46... I guess there are ways to find them, and I hope soon! I would love to have a "blanket party"!

70 posted on 05/23/2005 8:29:58 AM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: HairOfTheDog

ping


71 posted on 05/23/2005 8:35:01 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (http://www.cafepress.com/wardsmythe)
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To: Bear_Slayer

I did not post that....you must have meant this for somebody else...


72 posted on 05/23/2005 9:38:55 AM PDT by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: Textide

Well it is something to consider... if my legs did not turn to jelly and I start to have an asthma attack...


73 posted on 05/23/2005 9:40:49 AM PDT by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: pageonetoo

In my case, being with my spouse would NOT be exhilirating...


74 posted on 05/23/2005 9:42:00 AM PDT by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: leadpenny

Most writers using the term "stall" have no idea what it means. They use the term to describe the engine cutting out, the same as they would with a car engine.


75 posted on 05/23/2005 9:49:36 AM PDT by Redcloak (Over 16,000 served.)
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To: Moose4

Thanks for your suggestion. The last time I flew, it was in a small plane, probably a Cessna. My whole family went up on a family day thing... I had a newborn baby and five other kids and a prodding husband who forced me on the plane when he knew I was terrified... needless to say I screamed the whole short flight and ruined it for the kids... if you do not have a fear of flying, I guess I would say it feels like you are falling from the top of the World Trade Center on 9/11...


76 posted on 05/23/2005 9:51:00 AM PDT by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: Conservatrix

'"She feels guilty. Wouldn't you?" said Brother Rene Roy'

No.


77 posted on 05/23/2005 9:52:37 AM PDT by xone
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To: rlmorel

'Bottom line, if you get behind the curve while flying, things can get complicated beyond your ability to react very, very quickly and you can end up in a serious situation. '

Which is why you must train yourself to Aviate first. The rest doesn't matter if you fail that part.


78 posted on 05/23/2005 9:56:13 AM PDT by xone
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To: Allegra

You posted my thoughts exactly. Several years ago, a couple from the church we attended had their daughter go to the local fireworks display with her best friend - they were just 13 year old girls sitting on their blanket, anticipating the show. Horribly, the cannisters that shoot off the fireworks tipped or something that I just can't recall and the fireworks shot into the audience. The couple's daughter ducked or was already leaning down and the firework made a direct hit on her best buddy, killing her. There were guys there that were Viet Nam Vets and said they hadn't seen anything that hideous since their days in Nam. This poor little thing had terrible survivor guilt and we prayed for her for a long time. I often wonder how she is, she'd be around 19 or 20 now. It's just horrible beyond words. And she saw it all. Very gruesome.


79 posted on 05/23/2005 10:05:26 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: rlmorel

Our neighbor just had his car side-swiped by the teenager across the street. She was reaching down to grab her ringing cell phone. Getting behind the curve can apply to cars, planes and many other situations, as you so rightly pointed out. Excellent point! I could see it very easily happening.


80 posted on 05/23/2005 10:08:31 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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