Posted on 05/23/2005 3:29:06 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
i have looked and haven't found anything. Maybe he thinks he's leading us on a merry chase.
Pitiful.
Anyway, yes. People do that on purpose, bludgeoning YOU with THEIR ignorance and illogic. Twist and Shout. Creative misunderstanding. Willful ignorance.
A sure sign that the enterprise is rotten to the core.
;-)
Well, Kenneth, speed is not a frequency. You should learn basic terminology. [VI=ON]
But Fester made the Kessel run in 12 parsecs.
Not only clueless, the rest of the creationists are supporting him by their silence. Maybe they are that clueless. It may not be wrong to assume that their religious knowledge is of the same quality as their scientific knowledge and should be treated equivalently.
In certain fields of knowledge immutable facts are inevitable and necessary. In others they are not, and should not be expected. Your assertion that I would maintain one must see the origins of human flight to believe it exists is a preposterous non-sequitur. If you truly think I must maintain such a position to be consistent, then you should be the last person whom I might expect to see as a participant in rational discourse.
Perhaps if Einstein read your words he would substitute the speed of dumb for the speed of light. In fact, Fester hereby postulates on Einstein's behalf that the speed of dumb far surpasses the speed of light in both amplitude and frequency, as demonstrated by it's pernicious effects on public schools, the Democratic Party, and the proponents of the philosophy of evolution who continually confuse philosophy with science, all of whom have been rendered a muddle of hapless mediocrity.
While I count it a disconcerting experience to live in an age that must witness the speed of dumb in a vaccuum, yet I count it a joy to be called names by those who toil and sweat that we might benefit both directly and indirectly from their self-indulgent pursuits.
The most glaring mistake in all of Star Wars! LMAO!
I don't think so. I think it's the basis of your entire argument.
No. It is a failure on your part to comprehend the relationship between faith and facts. Is it not you who said "I trust my own understanding of physics?". But I should expect as much from those who fail to distinguish between immutable fact and reasonable conjecture and then set themselves up as preachers in the classroom.
If you refuse to acquaint yourself with facts, and in fact ignore or reject them when presented, of course you will be unable to distinguish between facts and conjecture. And if you can't distinguish between faith and facts, of course you won't be able to tell the difference between a teacher and a preacher. And that is your goal; to be able to claim that they are indistinguishable.
Argumentum ad stupidum. The only way you can sustain it is by clinging to your ignorance, or feigned ignorance. You're clearly not stupid; you write literately, make no or very few spelling and grammatical errors, and don't seem particularly ill-informed, except about science. I don't believe ignorance could be that selective. Yours is an assumed and false position.
Obviously my question was phrased in such a way as to cause turmoil and delight among the faithful. Let me phrase it differently:
Does the oven's magnetron generate any wave length within the ~700nm to ~400nm range? I gather it does not.
Because your eyes are sensitive to wavelengths between 700nm-450nm.
At any rate, I think you are saying every wave within the electromagnetic spectrum travels at the speed of light. Yes?
Yes. Up to the point where the refractive index of the transmission medium becomes a factor.
At the frequencies we're talking about, air @20°C has a refractive index of 1.00029 or about 0.03% slower than it's speed in a vacuum (index=1.0).
For completeness:
lf = c/n
Where:
l - the wavelength
f - the frequency
c - the speed of light
n - refractive index
Since n is essentially equal to 1 ...
lf = c/1 or lf = c.
We are being led by a nose ring here IMHO.
I am done with my grade school science class on this thread.
No doubt, but I think a point has been made.
And I'm going to put some chocolate in the microwave when I get home. I want to see if it actually works.
Thanks for the mental anchor. I was wondering if 'Kessel run' was some kind of Skinner maze ...
Job 38:16
Have you entered the springs of the sea?
Ecclesiastes 1:6
The wind goes toward the south,
And turns around to the north;
The wind whirls about continually,
And comes again on its circuit.
how long did it take "science" to catch up to the Bible?
From my standpoint as an observer, until a proposition is verified personally it remains a proposition that I must accede to by faith. There are many scientific propositions and immutable facts to which I have acceded, among them the current speed of light, the law of gravity, human flight, etc. Some of them I have witnessed directly.
If I tell you what is the speed of light, I am telling you what I believe. When RA tells me the speed of light, he is telling me what he knows and accepts as immutable fact. I can accept that because the data is operable and available in the present day. Furthermore, I trust he has gathered the knowledge accurately, and shared it without distortion. Since I have not gathered the knowledge and tested it myself, I am relying upon the testimony of someone else. What shame is in that?
So too, when a text that has been handed down for hundreds of generations makes the proposition that "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth," I accede to that proposition not only because of its wide acceptance, but also because it makes sense to attribute all the information available to my reason and senses (not to mention my reason and senses themselves) to an agent of intelligent design. What shame is in that?
Right. It's just a rough measurement. Greater precision can be achieved, but not without better equipment and some extra work. I suppose you could get a cleaner data set with one of the planets that has fewer moons. Mars would probably do, but then you'd need a better telescope. I suspect this gets done all the time. RA would know if we do it with the signals from the Martian probes.
Thank you.
Has the entire electromagnetic spectrum been discovered and explored by science? Why is it necessary to assume "nothing is faster than the speed of light in a vaccuum?"
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