The caveat emperor - (Kerry signes 180)

Boston Globe ^ | 5/24/2005 | Joan Vennochi

[thoughtomator]

He signed it, then locked it away in his file cabinet without ever submitting it to the DoD.

[FR_addict]

I wonder why he signed it after all this time?

Maybe he figures when his record is made public, he'll be more popular than ever with the liberals. Or he has been guaranteed that the worse records have been destroyed. Or some of the records are going to become public soon anyway through other means.

Perhaps he did get a change in his status from general to honorable discharge. His petition for a change may also be in records that are not sealed by the military. Perhaps, these records may be in someone's memoirs that are soon to be published or something. Otherwise, this doesn't make sense to sign the form now.

[Redcloak]

Does he know that it's 2005?

[write_on61]

John O'Neill has apparently signed a Form 180:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/images/banners/O%27Neill_Form_180.jpg

I wonder how many lies will come to the surface about his service?

After all, we know he's lied about his service in Vietnam.

Don't think so? Here's a FOIA summary of his service posted by the Navy Times:

http://navytimes.com/content/editorial/pdf/kerry_oneill.pdf

So according to his own records - and simple arithmetic - he served about 15 months on a minesweeper, which spent about three months of that time in Vietnamese waters:

http://www.usswoodpeckermsc209.com/woodpecker_history.htm

Then he spent just under a year in Vietnam proper on Swift Boats - about 3.5 months in Cos. Div. 13 and 8 months in Cos. Div. 11. (also check out the history link at www.swiftboats.net).

That makes a grand total of about 15 months of service in or off the coast of Vietnam.

But a quick Google search shows that in 1971 he repeatedly claimed to have been "in Vietnam" nearly THREE YEARS:

During the Cavett debate: "... and after being in Vietnam for almost three years, I decided I wanted to go home back to Texas."

http://www.swiftvets.com/staticpages/index.php?page=Debate2


To the US Conference of Mayors: "I served in Vietnam for almost three years."

http://www.usmayors.org/uscm/us_mayor_newspaper/documents/04_12_04/kerry_oneill.asp

In a written statement prepared for a congressional committee: "This was the single most heroic act that I have witnessed during almost three years in Vietnam."

http://horse.he.net/~swiftpow/article.php?story=2004102209180749&mode=print


More uh, "misrepresentations":


To Kerry, in Cavett debate: "The first point is I served in Coastal Division 11 for 12 months, not four. ... I did serve in the same place you did, and not for four months but for 18 months... ."

http://www.swiftvets.com/staticpages/index.php?page=Debate2

"I served in Coastal Division 11 for a year. . . .I served for much of the prior two years in waters adjacent to Vietnam. "

http://horse.he.net/~swiftpow/article.php?story=2004102209180749&mode=print



And more recently:

"Ironically, John Kerry and I served much of our time, a full 12 months in my case and an abbreviated 4 month tour in his, commanding the exact same six-man boat, PCF-44, which I took over after he requested early departure."

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110005036

Actually, he took over PCF 54 (not PCF 44) more than eight months after Kerry left.

[write_on61]

Correction to Post #24:

O'Neill took over PCF 94 five months after Kerry left, not eight months.

[hershey]

Uh, his staff is 'going through it' with a scrub brush and bleach.