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To: Melas

Listen, when people try to use quotes from from the Bible as their argument, that is dirty pool as far as debating goes. In this country, we have many religions and faiths, etc etc. The argument used on me was a quote from the Bible as if that was going to shut off my argument.

If I were Hindu or something, that quote would be meaningless.
I am really sick of people trying to shove their faith downb other people's throats so that they can feel superior to people. That is what is going on in this debate and often in society where people, including liberals and religion addicts, who can't put forth a logical argument and instead resort to a phrase in the bible.

My view on the Bible is that although it may have been inspired by God, it was written by men. Was there any chance whatsoever that those men may have lost something in the download from God if you know what I mean?


604 posted on 05/25/2005 5:34:04 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton Jr.)
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To: chris1

Wow, for the first time in this thread, I actually agree with you in most of this post.


619 posted on 05/25/2005 8:19:57 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Have you gotten your Viking Kittie Patch today? http://www.visualops.com/patch.html)
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To: chris1

What exactly is a "religion addict"? Is that anyone more religious than you? I was an atheist most of my life, and I don't think I ever felt such contempt for the religious as it appears you feel.


632 posted on 05/25/2005 12:15:44 PM PDT by Melas
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To: chris1

Does it matter which Holy Book it comes from? They are more similar than you realize. Christianity is not the only religion calling for chastity, purity, self control.

Forgiveness, humility, straightforwardness, purity, truthfulness, self-restraint, austerity, renunciation,
non-attachment and chastity [with one's spouse] are the ten duties [of lay people].
(Jainism. Tatthvarthasutra 9.6)

Not killing, no longer stealing, forsaking the wives of others, refraining completely from false, divisive, harsh
and senseless speech, forsaking covetousness, harmful intent and the views of Nihilists--these are the ten white paths of action, their opposites are black.
(Buddhism. Nagarjuna, Precious Garland 8-9)

As for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolators, and
all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.
(Christianity. Bible, Revelation 21.8)

There is a stream of fire from which emerge poisonous flames. There is none else there except the self.
The waves of the ocean of fire are aflame. And the sinners are burning in them.
(Sikhism. Adi Granth, Maru Solahe, M.1, p. 1026)

Men who have not led a religious life and have not laid up treasure in their youth, perish like old herons in
a lake without fish. Men who have not lived a religious life and have not laid up treasure in their youth lie
like worn-out bows, sighing after the past.
(Buddhism. Dhammapada 155-56)

Then do I proclaim what the Most Beneficent spoke to me,
The Words to be heeded, which are best for mortals:
Those who shall give hearing and reverence
Shall attain unto Perfection and Immortality
By the deeds of good spirit of the Lord of Wisdom!
(Zoroastrianism. Avesta, Yasna 45.5)

Those who live in accordance with the divine laws without complaining, firmly established in faith, are
released from karma. Those who violate these laws, criticizing and complaining, are utterly deluded, and
are the cause of their own suffering.
(Hinduism. Bhagavad Gita 3.31-32)

Contentment, forgiveness, self-control, not appropriating anything unrighteously, purification, coercion of the organs, wisdom, knowledge of the Supreme, truthfulness, and abstention from anger: these constitute the tenfold law [for ascetics].
(Hinduism. Laws of Manu 6.92)

The charge to avoid the taking of life.
The charge to avoid taking what is not given.
The charge to avoid unchastity.
The charge to avoid falsehood.
The charge to avoid fermented liquor, distilled liquor, intoxicants giving rise to sloth.
The charge to avoid unseasonable meals.
The charge to avoid dancing, song, playing music, and seeing shows.
The charge to avoid the use of flowers, scents, and unguents, wearing ornaments and decorations.
The charge to avoid the use of raised beds, of wide beds.
The charge to avoid the accepting of gold and silver.
(Buddhism. Khuddaka Patha: The Ten Charges)


653 posted on 05/25/2005 2:30:07 PM PDT by Netizen (Back from a 1-3 day suspension, for pointing out to a mod their unfair suspension of another poster.)
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