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Oregon unborn victims bill loses Catholic Church backing over death penalty
Catholic News Service ^ | 5/18/2005

Posted on 05/24/2005 5:01:38 PM PDT by sinkspur

PORTLAND, Ore. (CNS) -- Concerned about a possible expansion of the death penalty, Catholic leaders in Oregon have withdrawn their support for an unborn victims of violence bill in the state Legislature. In February, the Oregon Catholic Conference voiced conditional backing for the legislation, which would create separate criminal charges when an unborn child is killed or injured in crimes carried out against the mother. The support was contingent on an amendment which would ensure that the measure would not make the death penalty a more frequent sentencing option. But the conference withdrew its support after a House panel May 2 took up the unamended version. On May 12, the Oregon House of Representatives passed the legislation without the amendment. "The Oregon Catholic Conference must advise the House Judiciary Committee that it cannot support H.B. 2020 ... with the inclusion of the death penalty as a sentencing option," said a May 2 letter from conference director Bob Castagna to the House Judiciary Committee chairman.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: cary; catholicchurch; deathpenalty; unbornvictims
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1 posted on 05/24/2005 5:01:42 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur

Oh good grief. There goes my blood pressure again.


2 posted on 05/24/2005 5:04:25 PM PDT by old and tired
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To: sinkspur

Catholic dominated states = Blue states. Sad.


3 posted on 05/24/2005 5:05:00 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: old and tired; aimhigh; sinkspur; Coleus; murphE
With these words, Pope Benedict XVI has shredded the Seamless Garment:

Not all moral issues have the same moral weight as abortion and euthanasia. For example, if a Catholic were to be at odds with the Holy Father on the application of capital punishment or on the decision to wage war, he would not for that reason be considered unworthy to present himself to receive Holy Communion. While the Church exhorts civil authorities to seek peace, not war, and to exercise discretion and mercy in imposing punishment on criminals, it may still be permissible to take up arms to repel an aggressor or to have recourse to capital punishment. There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not however with regard to abortion and euthanasia.

4 posted on 05/24/2005 5:10:13 PM PDT by Diago
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Strictly speaking, "unborn victims of violence" are not the victims of abortion. I suspect this bill, like the one passed in the US Congress, refers to unborn babies who die as a result of mothers who are murdered.


5 posted on 05/24/2005 5:13:17 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: Diago
With these words, Pope Benedict XVI has shredded the Seamless Garment:

But unless he does something about it, these bishops/clowns are going to keep pulling these nonsense and we Catholics are going to be forced to put up with it.

6 posted on 05/24/2005 5:14:53 PM PDT by old and tired
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ping to self for later pingout.


7 posted on 05/24/2005 5:15:40 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it.)
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To: sinkspur
"The Oregon Catholic Conference must advise the House Judiciary Committee that it cannot support H.B. 2020 ... with the inclusion of the death penalty as a sentencing option"

Not even as an option. Pathetic.

8 posted on 05/24/2005 6:01:26 PM PDT by Paul_B
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To: sinkspur
O.K., this is ridiculous. I am too upset to do it, but I know some really quick Freeper could find the stats for number of people put to death annually in the past 5 years versus the number of abortions performed annually in the past 5 years.

I am actually an opponent of capital punishment, but to withhold support for the prolife movement because of misplaced concern over a handful of evil killers is something I cannot wrap my brain around.

9 posted on 05/24/2005 6:03:07 PM PDT by PLK
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Strictly speaking, "unborn victims of violence" are not the victims of abortion. I suspect this bill, like the one passed in the US Congress, refers to unborn babies who die as a result of mothers who are murdered.

Yes, you are right, there will be a number of these cases. But there will also be the cases where the violence or crime committed against a pregnant woman results in miscarrage/death of a fetus but not the death of the mother. Like car accidents where the driver at fault is charged with manslaughter because he/she violated traffic laws or was DUI, and mom lived, but miscarried, etc. Or domestic violence situations where the mom doesn't die, but injuries result in fetal death.

In the past, the death of a fetus could not be used in the charges against the person at fault. This is why this legislation has the leftists up in arms. It comes way too close to abortion.

10 posted on 05/24/2005 6:13:06 PM PDT by PLK
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To: sinkspur

Liberal Catholics, Methodists, Episcopalians and Prebyterians are a blight on the face of the nation.

They are crypto-Quakers.


11 posted on 05/24/2005 6:27:55 PM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: sinkspur

Interesting. Their vision certainly isn't 2020.


12 posted on 05/24/2005 6:44:52 PM PDT by PGalt
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This is sad. I will call the GOP -- state level chair is a Catholic.


13 posted on 05/25/2005 12:42:48 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: sinkspur; nickcarraway; sandyeggo; Siobhan; Lady In Blue; NYer; american colleen; Pyro7480; ...
Catholic Action Ping!

Please notify me via FReepmail if you would like to be added to or taken off the Catholic Action Ping List.

Can you help us in Oregon?

14 posted on 05/25/2005 12:45:01 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: PLK

Very well said.


15 posted on 05/25/2005 12:46:20 PM PDT by tdewey10 (End abortion now.)
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To: Salvation

I read this yesterday. The Catholic Bishops cannot continue to equate the death penalty with abortion!


16 posted on 05/25/2005 12:46:29 PM PDT by pissant (headache gone!)
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To: pissant

So true.


17 posted on 05/25/2005 12:48:36 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: PLK
I am actually an opponent of capital punishment, but to withhold support for the prolife movement because of misplaced concern over a handful of evil killers is something I cannot wrap my brain around.

You cannot distinguish between an innocent life, and a guilty one? That seems to be the Catholic Church's 'reasoning' here.

18 posted on 05/25/2005 12:49:28 PM PDT by hunter112 (Total victory at home and in the Middle East!)
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To: sinkspur

The significance of the bill is in that it recognizes that the unborn can be a victim.

The Catholic church in Oregon has its priorities badly misplaced.


19 posted on 05/25/2005 12:49:35 PM PDT by annalex
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To: pissant

Remnant of Bernardin


20 posted on 05/25/2005 12:49:35 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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