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Transgenders Included in New Hate Crimes Bill
Crosswalk ^ | May 24, 2005 | Susan Jones

Posted on 05/25/2005 7:28:09 AM PDT by missyme

A "hate crimes" bill that specifically covers crimes based on "gender identity" and sexual orientation will be introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives on Thursday, a homosexual advocacy group said.

"Transgender and gay Americans deserve the same clear protections against hate crimes as other Americans," said Human Rights Campaign President Joe Solmonese.

"We're proud that for the first time legislation will be introduced that explicitly covers the entire gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender community and the community will have an unambiguous shot at equal protection under hate crimes law."

The Human Rights Campaign says it has worked "side-by-side" with the bill's lead sponsors, including Reps. Barney Frank(D-Mass.), Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.), John Conyers Jr.(D-Mich.), Christopher Shays (R-Conn.), Tammy Baldwin (D-Wisc.) in writing the bill.

Solmonese says "public support is there" for including transgender people in hate crime laws.

The introduction of the bill also heals a rift in the GLBT community.

Last August, transgender advocacy groups were protesting the Human Rights Campaign's "dubious efforts" to include them in federal legislation.

At the time, transgenders accused the homosexual community of throwing them overboard, in an effort to make federal legislation more palatable to lawmakers.


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1 posted on 05/25/2005 7:28:10 AM PDT by missyme
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To: missyme

"Some animals are more equal than others"


2 posted on 05/25/2005 7:31:16 AM PDT by hang 'em ("You can't buy the People unless yer for the People, ahuh huh ahuh" - William Jefferson Clinton)
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To: missyme

I trust that provisions for "hate crimes" against whites and Christians were included and will be prosecuted as vigorously a those against transgenders.


3 posted on 05/25/2005 7:33:36 AM PDT by SpinyNorman (Moral relativism is, by definition, the polar opposite of having values.)
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To: missyme

The Hate Crimes Laws are nothing more than the implementation of the Values set forth in the European Socialist Manefesto. They undermine our Gurantee of Freedom of Speech by the Constitution. The Hate Crimes were put into law to do just that. We have the right to Hate just as we have the right to Love. The Constitution of the United States is slowly but surely being replaced with the Socialist Version of the European Constitution, read it for yourself:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1318061/posts?page=6#6
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1318038/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1318034/posts
http://waysandmeans.house.gov/hearings.asp?formmode=view&id=954
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1254190/posts


4 posted on 05/25/2005 7:34:21 AM PDT by 26lemoncharlie ('Cuntas haereses tu sola interemisti in universo mundo!')
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To: hang 'em

I don't understand the transgendered thing at all. As a gay friend of mine once told me; "I don't have anything in common with these people....but there's no other place to put them except with us" About 75% of trannies (men to women) still look like guys in a distorted way.


5 posted on 05/25/2005 7:37:59 AM PDT by brooklyn dave (Catholic school survivor and proud of it.)
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To: SpinyNorman
"I trust that provisions for "hate crimes" against whites and Christians were included and will be prosecuted as vigorously a those against transgenders."

That is but one of the major problems with so-called "hate crimes" (read: thought crimes) laws. They clearly violate equal protection under the law, making some lives worth more than others.

Commit an assault, rape, murder, et cetera, and you should be tossed in the pokey (or worse). Serving more time for committing the crime against someone in a protected class is unconstitutional. Want stiffer sentences? Raise them across the board.
6 posted on 05/25/2005 7:39:45 AM PDT by LIConFem (Mein Luftkissenboot ist mit Aalen voll.)
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To: missyme

Does this mean we have to hate them all the same amount?


7 posted on 05/25/2005 7:40:21 AM PDT by Recall
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To: missyme

There are no "hate crimes". Either someone has been assaulted and had their civil rights violated or they have not.

Political party is not afforded the same protection. If you are denied a job or room because of you vote Republican, you are out of luck. If someone torches signs on your yard or paints swastikas on your car or sidewalk because you have a Bush Cheney sign, you are out of luck.

If you look for a quota set-aside because you are white and now in the minority in some cities, you are out of luck.

All of this is just cover to designate "politically correct" protected groups and to institutionalize the discrimination against the "politically incorrect".


8 posted on 05/25/2005 7:40:58 AM PDT by weegee ("Do you want them to write a piece about how great the military is?" Elizabeth Bumiller - NY Times)
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To: missyme
Solmonese says "public support is there" for including transgender people in hate crime laws.

Not here.

9 posted on 05/25/2005 7:43:07 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: missyme

Let me add too the notion of "rough trade" where transexuals, transvestites, transgenders... will deliberately pull a "bait and switch" on heterosexuals. The risk of assault is a part of the kink for some.

Now it could be claimed that "bait and switch" is in and of itself an attempt at sexual molestation/violation. Can their be "consent" to sex without full disclosure?


10 posted on 05/25/2005 7:43:59 AM PDT by weegee ("Do you want them to write a piece about how great the military is?" Elizabeth Bumiller - NY Times)
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To: missyme

Does that mean I'll be protected now?


11 posted on 05/25/2005 7:45:18 AM PDT by pissant (headache gone!)
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To: brooklyn dave
It is gender confusion. There is no "wear the clothes of the opposite gender" gene. We are born naked. Clothing is dictated by fashion and culture.

And why would "gay men" go for a man who "looks like a woman"? Either women are okay or they are not. Some transsexuals keep their "equipment" meaning that it is a fascination with penises that really drives their sexual appetite.

If they like breasts "too", why don't any of them get four breasts? If you are going to get plastic surgery and become a freak, why not go all out? Why not put breasts on the sides of legs or on the back (great for dancing)?

Piercing, tattooing, and other body modification leaves a whole lot of questions open as to why this sort of plastic surgery just isn't done.
12 posted on 05/25/2005 7:48:56 AM PDT by weegee ("Do you want them to write a piece about how great the military is?" Elizabeth Bumiller - NY Times)
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To: pissant

Yes! You now can wear your dress and High Heels!
Your Protected!


13 posted on 05/25/2005 7:52:41 AM PDT by missyme (with)
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To: missyme

Excellent! I'm off shopping. Any recommendations?


14 posted on 05/25/2005 7:53:35 AM PDT by pissant (headache gone!)
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To: Recall; pissant
Dude looks like a lady Dude looks like a lady Dude looks like a lady Dude looks like a lady
15 posted on 05/25/2005 7:56:32 AM PDT by missyme (with)
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To: missyme

How about including hate speech against conservatives?


17 posted on 05/25/2005 8:09:55 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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To: weegee

That is exactly what I've been saying for years. Take the movie "Boys Don't Cry". I have not seen the movie, but from what I've heard, the "victim" was killed after fooling the "perp". A perfectly understandable response in my book. What did he expect? Did I miss something here? Why is it that a "crime of passion" involves more lenient penalties, whereas a "hate crime" involves harsher penalties?


18 posted on 05/25/2005 8:10:17 AM PDT by August West (To each according to his ability, from each according to his need...)
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To: missyme

You ever seen them in a store. Your in your sweats and they have some kind of 60's Jackie Kennedy outfit and a wig with a Flip. Yeah, they just blend right in. lol


19 posted on 05/25/2005 8:10:18 AM PDT by Recall
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To: geoffreyt

Well political correctness seeks to make us all take the same positions on every issue.

Who wants to be a sexist-racist-homophobe out to destroy the environment?

If you have ever stumbled in a conversation fishing for the "correct" word to use now ("Mailman, er no...") then you have got their little censor working inside your brain.


20 posted on 05/25/2005 8:11:21 AM PDT by weegee ("Do you want them to write a piece about how great the military is?" Elizabeth Bumiller - NY Times)
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To: missyme
will have an unambiguous shot at equal protection under hate crimes law

They have a lot of nerve, talking about unambiguous.

21 posted on 05/25/2005 8:11:50 AM PDT by rabidralph
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To: weegee
There are no "hate crimes". Either someone has been assaulted and had their civil rights violated or they have not.

Absolutely. An unprovoked attack on any human... gay, straight, black, white, polka-dotted... should be abhored by every American.

"Hate crimes" give extra-special status to specific groups. I don't know if a challenge to these laws has ever worked its way through the courts, but Hate Crime legislation would appear to be a violation of the Equal Protection Clause.

I believe this type of legislation isn't about protecting their civil rights. It's about advancing acceptance and approval of nonconventional lifestyles.

22 posted on 05/25/2005 8:14:15 AM PDT by TontoKowalski
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To: TontoKowalski

Fat people are not protected by these laws. Neither are nerds, geeks, and "brains". If you have a poor fashion sense, the kids are free to beat up and harass you at school. There is no "support group".

This is about shielding some groups, not about protecting human dignity.


23 posted on 05/25/2005 8:18:14 AM PDT by weegee ("Do you want them to write a piece about how great the military is?" Elizabeth Bumiller - NY Times)
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To: TontoKowalski

Well the constitution says that you cannot discriminate on the basis of race, creed, or color. We are well on our way to ammending that interpretation to at least "suggest" sexual fetish as also being included. Don't know if we will see a constitutional ammendment or just a landmark Supreme Court ruling to "make it so".

A Constitutional ammendment regarding traditional binary male-female marriage would go a long way to stopping this nonsense.


24 posted on 05/25/2005 8:21:44 AM PDT by weegee ("Do you want them to write a piece about how great the military is?" Elizabeth Bumiller - NY Times)
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To: weegee; All

So what is considered a *Hate Word*? in the HATE SPEECH BILL? Pansy? Fruit? Fag? Jerk? All the Traditional Cuss words?
Maybe we can say *Thay your just a bad person!

How in the heck are you going to Monitor a entires nations mouth?

Sorry but when your PO'd to the max the only thinb that brings relief and let's you blow off steam sometimes is cussing like a freaking sailor


25 posted on 05/25/2005 8:23:29 AM PDT by missyme (with)
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To: weegee
Now it could be claimed that "bait and switch" is in and of itself an attempt at sexual molestation/violation. Can their be "consent" to sex without full disclosure?

Advancing this line of thought: There are a surprising number of sex-changed people who are in the adult entertainment industry. OK, I'll say it. Strippers.

We won't get into the details of how I know this.

I've always wondered if that couldn't be considered false advertising, or unethical, or something like that.

Without due notice, the customer isn't getting what he bargained for.

26 posted on 05/25/2005 8:28:47 AM PDT by TontoKowalski
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To: TontoKowalski

How about just enforcing the laws we already have against assault, rape, etc. (not to mention illegal immigration)? I hate the idea of a special "hate crime" category for the noisy deviance crusaders. Just another divisive waste of energy.


27 posted on 05/25/2005 8:29:31 AM PDT by teawithmisswilliams (Question Diversity)
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To: missyme

Is "sodomite" a hateful word? What about "queer" (or is that like the n-word, where the group is free to use it heavily, but no one else)?

Is it prohibited to cite biblical verse against it? Canada thinks so.


28 posted on 05/25/2005 8:29:34 AM PDT by weegee ("Do you want them to write a piece about how great the military is?" Elizabeth Bumiller - NY Times)
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To: TontoKowalski

The only instance I am aware of where someone "crossed the line" and tried to become a sex symbol was one of the Bond girls (not a speaking part, just some of the background "eye candy").


29 posted on 05/25/2005 8:31:01 AM PDT by weegee ("Do you want them to write a piece about how great the military is?" Elizabeth Bumiller - NY Times)
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To: TontoKowalski

Well today with the amount of implants both sexes opt to have as well as all the other FAKE BODY PARTS, WHO GETS THE REAL DEAL ANYMORE?


30 posted on 05/25/2005 8:31:27 AM PDT by missyme (with)
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To: missyme

Ask the legislators when they will consider including the word "breeder" among hatespeech.


31 posted on 05/25/2005 8:31:53 AM PDT by weegee ("Do you want them to write a piece about how great the military is?" Elizabeth Bumiller - NY Times)
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To: August West

You should read the actual story about the "Boys Don't Cry" person. Check kiter, car thief, liar, etc. She wasn't killed by men because she was impersonating a man. It was a young girl and her mother she was getting over on. She was killed because of the constant turmoil she brought to the town in which she was killed.
Like Matthew Sheppard, her story was cleaned up/distorted to make a fiction about widespread violence against gays.


32 posted on 05/25/2005 8:32:48 AM PDT by jjmcgo
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To: brooklyn dave
I don't understand the transgendered thing at all. As a gay friend of mine once told me; "I don't have anything in common with these people....but there's no other place to put them except with us" About 75% of trannies (men to women) still look like guys in a distorted way.

Most are people who have some serious mental issues although a few suffer from known genetic defects that cause them to appear male while genetically being female or vice versa.

33 posted on 05/25/2005 8:33:20 AM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Just Blame President Bush For Everything, It Is Easier Than Using Your Brain)
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To: missyme

Some customers don't care.

Others do. There is now a niche among porn sites and magazines to brag about having "natural" women (some of whom may have smaller cup sizes).


34 posted on 05/25/2005 8:33:39 AM PDT by weegee ("Do you want them to write a piece about how great the military is?" Elizabeth Bumiller - NY Times)
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To: missyme

Why don't we just include every single group on earth, so this bill amounts to nothing more than harsher penalties for crimes?


35 posted on 05/25/2005 8:33:51 AM PDT by Free and Armed
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To: missyme
Yes! You now can wear your dress and High Heels!

You are showing your age! Nowadays, most women, and thus those who imitate/copy them, dont wear dresses or skirts any more.

36 posted on 05/25/2005 8:33:59 AM PDT by SandyB
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To: missyme
LOL! Point conceded.

For the record, I'm a "real deal" kind of guy in all respects... my body and my preferences.

37 posted on 05/25/2005 8:34:04 AM PDT by TontoKowalski
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To: weegee

I don't know?
I would like to know what words are considered Hate?

The only people who you can call names, and discriminate agaisnt are White Conservatives who believe in 1 GOD who created the world and Jesus Christ, Guess you can call them anything that tickles your fancy...


38 posted on 05/25/2005 8:34:42 AM PDT by missyme (with)
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To: SandyB

Hey we wear skirts! if we don't I sure have plenty to throw away :)


39 posted on 05/25/2005 8:37:00 AM PDT by missyme (with)
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To: jjmcgo
She was killed because of the constant turmoil she brought to the town in which she was killed. Like Matthew Sheppard, her story was cleaned up/distorted to make a fiction about widespread violence against gays.

What they really need, is a CCW and for everyone of them to carry if they are old enough.

40 posted on 05/25/2005 8:37:47 AM PDT by SandyB
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To: missyme
Christopher Shays (R-Conn.)

I am so sick of this creep emabling the enemies of our families, again and again. Can't we just get him out in the next primary? I would rather have a RAT.

41 posted on 05/25/2005 8:38:05 AM PDT by montag813
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To: COEXERJ145

Frankly, there isn't even a lot of common ground between homosexual men and homosexual women.

This is about image more than it is about being repulsed by another sexual fetish group's turn on.

Almost all of those going under the knife for "sex change" operations are doing so for cosmetic reasons. Is it really a "sex change" if your chromosomes remain the same?

A male or female born with ambiguous or even duplicate/complimentary genitalia still has a single chromosonal identity.

Those who change their sex don't suddenly menstruate (although the hormones could cause them to lactate, I suppose). Neither change suddenly produces a seed or egg where there was none before.

It is as possible to change one's sex as it is to change one's race. IMpossible.


42 posted on 05/25/2005 8:38:38 AM PDT by weegee ("Do you want them to write a piece about how great the military is?" Elizabeth Bumiller - NY Times)
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To: TontoKowalski

I hear ya!

And what about SHORT PEOPLE? are they protected? I would like to know the words that are considered Hate Speech?

Since I say many of them..LOL...


43 posted on 05/25/2005 8:41:10 AM PDT by missyme (with)
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To: jjmcgo

I'd like to know the story of the death of the third member of that gay Texas trio that raised the Sodomy lawsuit in the first place.

The caller was an ex-lover of one of the men. He had a pending assault charge against the man and was murdered in an unsolved assault before the case could go to trial.

Homosexual on homosexual assault occurs too.


44 posted on 05/25/2005 8:41:50 AM PDT by weegee ("Do you want them to write a piece about how great the military is?" Elizabeth Bumiller - NY Times)
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To: missyme

Gary Neuman said it in the 1970s, "Short people got, no reason..."


45 posted on 05/25/2005 8:42:49 AM PDT by weegee ("Do you want them to write a piece about how great the military is?" Elizabeth Bumiller - NY Times)
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To: TontoKowalski

"We won't get into the details of how I know this."

I'm guessing it involves a very bad experience?


46 posted on 05/25/2005 8:45:13 AM PDT by Free and Armed
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To: weegee

HAHA..They got little hands and little feet...I think Short people complained about that song....

What about that Old SOng Lola?
met her in a club down in old soho
Where you drink champagne and it tastes
just like cherry-cola C-o-l-a cola
She walked up to me and she asked me to dance
I asked her her name and in a dark brown voice she said lola
L-o-l-a lola lo-lo-lo-lo lola
Well I’m not the world’s most physical guy
But when she squeezed me tight she nearly broke my spine
Oh my lola lo-lo-lo-lo lola
Well I’m not dumb but I can’t understand
Why she walked like a woman and talked like a man
Oh my lola lo-lo-lo-lo lola lo-lo-lo-lo lola

Well we drank champagne and danced all night
Under electric candlelight
She picked me up and sat me on her knee
And said dear boy won’t you come home with me
Well I’m not the world’s most passionate guy
But when I looked in her eyes well I almost fell for my lola
Lo-lo-lo-lo lola lo-lo-lo-lo lola
Lola lo-lo-lo-lo lola lo-lo-lo-lo lola

I pushed her away
I walked to the door
I fell to the floor
I got down on my knees
Then I looked at her and she at me

Well that’s the way that I want it to stay
And I always want it to be that way for my lola
Lo-lo-lo-lo lola
Girls will be boys and boys will be girls
It’s a mixed up muddled up shook up world except for lola
Lo-lo-lo-lo lola

Well I left home just a week before
And I’d never ever kissed a woman before
But lola smiled and took me by the hand
And said dear boy I’m gonna make you a man

Well I’m not the world’s most masculine man
But I know what I am and I’m glad I’m a man
And so is lola
Lo-lo-lo-lo lola lo-lo-lo-lo lola
Lola lo-lo-lo-lo lola lo-lo-lo-lo lola


47 posted on 05/25/2005 8:45:51 AM PDT by missyme (with)
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To: weegee
It is as possible to change one's sex as it is to change one's race.

Never tried to imply it was. Like I said, the vast majority of people who do it suffer from some kind of mental issue.

48 posted on 05/25/2005 8:46:51 AM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Just Blame President Bush For Everything, It Is Easier Than Using Your Brain)
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To: weegee
Well the constitution says that you cannot discriminate on the basis of race, creed, or color.

But it does NOT!!! say we cant discriminate on the basis of sex. The ERA was defeated.

49 posted on 05/25/2005 8:50:21 AM PDT by SandyB
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To: weegee

Prior to the Supreme Court decision, I thought the court would decline to hear the case since the arrest was based on a bogus report of crime.


50 posted on 05/25/2005 8:52:23 AM PDT by jjmcgo
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