Posted on 05/25/2005 5:05:07 PM PDT by Kaslin
doesnt matter, as it is STILL WORLDNUTDAILY, the NY Times of the right....
hey I just got rid of one of those!!! LOL
http://bizblogger.blogspot.com/2005/04/decade-of-deceit-oklahoma-city-bombing.html Larry Johnson, former CIA analyst and deputy director for counterterrorism for the U.S. State Department: “Looking at the Jayna Davis material, what’s clear is that more than Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols were involved. Without a doubt, there’s a Middle Eastern tie to the Oklahoma City bombing."
David Schippers, former federal prosecutor and Chief Investigative Counsel for the Clinton impeachment trial: “It is my honest opinion that if the Department of Justice and the federal investigative agencies had not ignored Jayna Davis and instead accepted the mass of creditable evidence compiled by her, indicating direct Middle Eastern involvement in the bombing, the course of future events may have been altered. Had those investigators taken their duties seriously and followed up on the investigation of that information, it is entirely likely that the Twin Towers would still be standing.”
Frank J. Gaffney Jr., president of the Center for Security Policy: “Thanks to [Jayna Davis] … these facts can no longer be ignored or concealed. And those who Ms. Davis reveals have systematically done both for nearly a decade must be called to account.”
Constantine C. Menges, former special assistant to President George H.W. Bush for National Security Affairs and former national CIA intelligence officer: “[Davis] reveals the facts that the Clinton Administration did not want to confront."
Dan Vogel, retired FBI special agent and former public information officer for the Oklahoma City FBI: “What they [FBI] did was unconscionable. The American people deserved the truth and the Bureau needed to look into this Middle East network here in Oklahoma City. If they had, maybe they would have come upon the network behind the September 11 attacks.”
Col. Patrick Lang, former chief of intelligence for the Defense Intelligence Agency: determined that Hussain Al-Hussaini (Davis’ suspected John Doe 2) was likely a member of the Iraq Republican Guard before being recruited into the elite Iraqi Military Intelligence Service.
William Webster, the former director of both the CIA and the FBI: said that the bombing had “all the hallmarks” of Mideast terror in an interview with the USA Today.
U.S. District Judge Timothy Leonard: upheld all fifty statements of fact and opinion used by Jayna Davis as “undisputed.”
http://www.jaynadavis.com/main.html Checkout Jayna's website
These recent news sources other that WND confirm the judge's orders and the basic facts.
Cleveland Plain Dealer; Salt Lake Tribune; MSNBC; Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, VA; Fort Worth Star Telegram; Washington Post; Los Angeles Times, Associated Press.
I'll pick one at random. Who could also be more interested in protecting the Clinton administration than believing WorldNetDaily? LA Times, I guess.
The LA Times article is actually by MICHAEL J. SNIFFEN, Associated Press Writer, he says, "the FBI has found more than 340 internal documents that it once said couldn't be found under an open-records request. But the bureau still wants to avoid or delay releasing them."
More, besides U.S. District Judge Dale A. Kimball in Salt Lake City "five other judges have ordered the bureau to do a better job searching its records in response to other Freedom of Information Act requests."
More, the LA Times states, "The case involves a search for records about possible links between the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing and a gang of white supremacist bank robbers. The documents were requested by Salt Lake City attorney Jesse Trentadue, seeking evidence for his theory that his brother Kenneth was murdered in a federal prison isolation cell in Oklahoma City in August 1995."
Furthermore, "David M. Hardy, chief of the FBI's records/information dissemination section, wrote in a declaration that using 12 search terms derived from Trentadue's original request, two FBI analysts searching the Oklahoma City bombing case's computerized text files had found 340 potentially relevant documents. That case has about 1.1 million pages of files. Hardy said the 340 documents needed to be further reviewed to be sure they were relevant and to see if parts should be withheld.
"Hardy also wrote that his staff had manually searched the other five case files, which total 7,500 pages, and found an undisclosed number of potentially relevant documents which also still had to be reviewed." [End excerpts]
But nothing so far about SPLC and Morris Dees. Here are some older news articles from page one of several pages of search results: msnbc.msn.com; www.wtopnews.com; www.cbsnews.com.
Who might be more interested in protecting both the Clinton administration and the SPLC than believing anything WND says? I'll guess CBS. Here's what the Jan. 21, 2005 CBS article said,
"Last summer, Trentadue requested:
" * A Jan. 4, 1996, teletype from FBI Director Louis Freeh's office to the Oklahoma City and Omaha, Neb., offices that discussed the 1995 Oklahoma City federal building bombers (the FBI's OKBOMB case) and a Midwest gang of bank robbers (the FBI's BOMBROB case). He enclosed a newspaper story with excerpts from the teletype.
" * The FBI's record of an interview Trentadue says he gave an agent and two Justice Department officials Aug. 12, 1996, discussing his dead brother and the bank robbery gang, including one member who resembled Kenneth.
" * All documents about any connection between the Southern Poverty Law Center and eight named individuals from the OKBOMB and BOMBROB investigations or a white supremacist compound in Elohim City, Okla.
"The FBI told Trentadue Nov. 18 it found no documents matching his requests.
"Trentadue responded Nov. 30 by filing with the court a copy of the January 1996 teletype, which he had found in the meantime had been released under FOIA in 1997. Trentadue also submitted a copy of an August 1996 teletype from Freeh's office that said two of the bank robbers were present when Oklahoma City bomber Tim McVeigh called the Elohim City compound. That too was released years earlier under FOIA. . .
"[An FBI spokesman] also declined to say how the "OKBOMB" search could fail to produce the January teletype, in which the first listed subject was "OKBOMB." Trentadue also supplied the correct date, sender, two accurate recipients and direct quotes.
"Despite refusing in court this month to redo the search even after Trentadue supplied copies of two teletypes, the FBI changed its response once The Associated Press inquired about the case.
"FBI spokesman Mike Kortan said that after Trentadue supplied the two documents the FBI was able to find them and would provide him copies." [End excerpt]
These other sources look an awful like the WND article. What's the problem?
the problem? The same problem most conservatives have with NYT. it's called consider the source....
and every WND thread I see, I will call them worldnutdaily. they could say the sky is blue, but it would still call them that. Get used to it.
It's not just WND....BOG http://www.jaynadavis.com/main.html"When the full stories of these two incidents (1993 WTC Center bombing and 1995 Oklahoma City bombing) are finally told, those who permitted the investigations to stop short will owe big explanations to these two brave women (Middle East expert Laurie Mylroie and journalist Jayna Davis). And the nation will owe them a debt of gratitude."
Former CIA Director
James Woolsey
"The Iraq Connection"
Wall Street Journal
September 5, 2002
Wolfowitz Bombshell: Saddam Behind 9/11 Attacks and OKC Bombing
Sunday, June 1, 2003 4:01 p.m. EDT
Assistant Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, said by some to be the architect of America's war on Iraq, reportedly suspects that Saddam Hussein played a significant role in the three worst terrorist attacks ever on the U.S. - the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing and the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.
Discussing his soon-to-be-released Vanity Fair interview with the top Pentagon official, Sam Tanenhaus told WABC Radio's Monica Crowley on Saturday: "Wolfowitz states that there's a very strong connection, he's convinced, between Saddam and the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993. This is a very controversial idea and yet Wolfowitz embraces it and has for quite some time."
The Vanity Fair writer added, "Also I was told by a source very close to him that Wolfowitz entertains the possibility that Saddam was involved in the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995."
Full Story
just WNT?
Right. I will continue to provide facts as best I can. In this case the facts are the WND article is a legitimate news source.
Invective v. facts. I wonder how that will turn out?
What actually happened in OKC is still in dispute, however.
I recognize that pic...that was IBM's first attempt at a laptop computer...
***that was IBM's first attempt at a laptop computer...***
Yes, but I believe they made it clear that you needed a very large lap.
Oh this could be very interesting, but I can't comment anymore for fear of being called a tin hatter! :-) (Pass the Reynolds wrap please!)
Mike I doubt they will ever release that kind of stuff.
personally, judge's order or not, if methods or sources are discussed THAT IS ABSOLUTELY WRONG.
but we will see....
and I still think WND is crap.
Main Entry: ret·i·cent
Pronunciation: -s&nt
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin reticent-, reticens, present participle of reticEre to keep silent, from re- + tacEre to be silent -- more at TACIT
1 : inclined to be silent or uncommunicative in speech : RESERVED
2 : restrained in expression, presentation, or appearance <the room has an aspect of reticent dignity -- A. N. Whitehead>
synonym see SILENT
- ret·i·cent·ly adverb
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=reticent&x=23&y=10
Main Entry: re·luc·tant
Pronunciation: ri-'l&k-t&nt
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin reluctant-, reluctans, present participle of reluctari to struggle against, from re- + luctari to struggle
: feeling or showing aversion, hesitation, or unwillingness <reluctant to get involved>; also : having or assuming a specified role unwillingly <a reluctant hero>
synonym see DISINCLINED
- re·luc·tant·ly adverb
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=reluctant&x=18&y=19
Words mean things!
DG
They will probably release something like this:
SAN FRANCISCO - A flower long thought to be extinct was rediscovered in a California state park - more than six decades after it was last seen, scientists said Wednesday.
ummm....ok
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