Student says T-shirt slogans got her a day's suspension

http://www.accessnorthga.com ^ | 5 24 05

[Not A Snowbird]

I caught up. Ping to my #41.

[motzman]

School is for learning. The principal was convicted of a DUI years ago, and paid his debt to society. Children in schools should be learning, not "expressing their opinions" or other such crapola.

Sorry, but I most certainly do NOT share your objections.

That's your problem---go inflict it on someone else.

The girl has earned MY respect simply because she had the audacity to speak up against corruption and inept leadership when she saw it.

Great...an 18-year old JUNIOR in high school has earned your respect. An 18 year old JUNIOR in high school has "exposed corruption and inept leadership". How wonderful.

[Robert_Paulson2]

You are right, they probably DO have a history. He may in fact have a history with several of the girls in the school.

IT would not be at all unusual if she was just getting back at the guy for unwanted sexual advances, or sexual harrassment while he was on the job... and had a few too many. She may not have appreciated some other well known drunken behaviors by this dude. The message perhaps? "Back off letch!!!"

btw... the girl WILL win.
Take it to the bank.

[Robert_Paulson2]

My guess is the girls in the school don't like the guy because there may in fact be some FUI or SHUI behaviors going on, without consequence for the guy.

Flirting
Under the
Influence

or

Sexual
Harassment
Under the
Influence

I doubt it's just the tshirt thing.

[motzman]

Just like people had problems with the corrupt Clintons and the corrupt Clintons had lots of fans ...

DUI years ago vs. a lifetime of political and financial corruption. Yeah, it's the same thing....




Sheesh!

[B Knotts]

You literally made me snort coffee out my nose. LOL

[Arthalion]

Children are in school to learn citizenship as much as math, and good citizenship means objecting to inept leadership. The girl did exactly what she should have done.

As for him paying his debt to society, I suppose you'd also advocate letting released child molestors run daycare centers or convicted murderers teach. Just because you've paid your debt to society doesn't mean your slate is clean and you can do whatever you want. The guy is a bad influence, a horrible role model, and a tyrant. As a general rule, I object to ANY criminal in ANY leadership position in the public schools, and this entire situation clearly demonstrates the wisdom of that position.

[Little Ray]

Minors don't have that freedom and they don't have in school. The school has a a right to regulate dress. I think "No t-shirts with slogans or logos" is a good start.
Personally, I kinda like the idea of school uniforms.

[af_vet_1981]

DUI and running Stop Signs is a big neal in High School. Kids die every year from this activity. Having a school principal who committed the same crime not so long ago and resumed his duties with 5 days of suspension is a very low standard indeed ...

[af_vet_1981]

DUI and running Stop Signs is a big deal in High School. Kids die every year from this activity. Having a school principal who committed the same crime not so long ago and resumed his duties with 5 days of suspension is a very low standard indeed ...

[af_vet_1981]

Flirting Under the Influence or Sexual Harassment Under the Influence

Oh

I understand.

You see her as a Clinton woman just asking for it ...

[xzins]

I think you need to reread the first paragraph. T-shirt with slogans including "freedom of expression" and "don't drink and drive" that school administrators considered disruptive.

In other words, there are other slogans on it (them?) that aren't mentioned. We know the media's well-established penchant for creating honest impressions of all that's going on. We know that the DUI was six years ago. We know that the girl intentionally brought it up with t-shirt #2 with a DUI theme.

We know that "administratorS" (note the "S") consider the t-shirts and slogans to be disruptive. We know that a suspension was upheld, and if I know a superintendent and his lawyer well, I'll bet they checked with the administratorS (other than principal) on this. You can bet that if this was a big RED FLAG that they would have pulled this principal up to a screeching halt by his short hairs.

You also know that this is rural GEORGIA where school discipline is still dear to the hearts of many judges as is so ably point out by AQ. And judges in N. Ga. might not smile favorably is this 18 year old JUNIOR has a problem child record.

I'm betting that the girl loses, but the problem is.....how will be ever know unless someone posts it when it gets announced in Georgia. Got any North Georgians around here? :>)

[1L]

I agree.

They are going to be in hot water allowing an individual to decide what's disruptive in terms of the content on shirts. They need to ban all expressive shirts, with the stated exception of school, college, and shirts with manufacturer's logos. Or, they need to go to uniforms. I support the school enforcing their rules, but come on, "don't drink and drive" is disruptive? I thought they showed videos saying the same thing.

[motzman]

Having a school principal who committed the same crime not so long ago and resumed his duties with 5 days of suspension is a very low standard indeed ...

No it's not. The legal system adjudicated the issue properly. The school board handed out its' punishment, which was just in their judgment. Your opinion on the situation does not matter at all.

Here's a dopey girl and her enabler mommy causing all kinds of problems to get attention.

That this issue is even being discussed on an Internet board proves that the girls actions were a distraction, and the principal was correct in his actions to resolve the matter.

You've already compared the guy to Clinton...why not try Hitler next?

[xzins]

see #132

[motzman]

Children are in school to learn citizenship as much as math, and good citizenship means objecting to inept leadership.

Children by definition do not have the capacity to "object to inept leadership". You want children to be defining "inept leadership"?

As for him paying his debt to society, I suppose you'd also advocate letting released child molestors run daycare centers or convicted murderers teach.

Sure. Nice try, DUmmie.

As a general rule, I object to ANY criminal in ANY leadership position in the public schools, and this entire situation clearly demonstrates the wisdom of that position.

"You" and "wisdom" have parted company a long, long, long, time ago.

[af_vet_1981]

No it's not. The legal system adjudicated the issue properly. The school board handed out its' punishment, which was just in their judgment. Your opinion on the situation does not matter at all.

The Clinton Fans made the same claims for Bill and Hillary Clinton. They were either exonerated by the legal system or the issues were adjudicated. The House and Senate handed down their punishment and our opinion on the situation did not matter at all ...

They were as angry as you are that we even brought it up ...

Here's a dopey girl and her enabler mommy causing all kinds of problems to get attention.

Linda Tripp causing all kinds of problems to get attention ...

That this issue is even being discussed on an Internet board proves that the girls actions were a distraction, and the principal was correct in his actions to resolve the matter.

It proves that the principal should resign or be forced from his position of authority and leadership and that there are always fans who will back him up if he does not ...

You've already compared the guy to Clinton...why not try Hitler next?

You violated Godwin's Law.

You lose this debate.

[Arthalion]

You want children to be defining "inept leadership"?

I would hope that, by her junior year of HS and 18 years of age, she would know the difference between skilled and inept leadership. Heck, I knew the difference a LOT earlier than that.

As to the rest of what you wrote, I'm not even going to dignify that with a reply. If you can't see the wisdom in maintaining certain moral and ethical standards for those who oversee our children, then there's no point in arguing with you.

[Robert_Paulson2]

NO I agree with you.
I was suggesting that HE may be one of those guys, flirting or making advances with the girls at the high school, while under the influence.

not the girl. Got it? He's the drunk, not her. She's pointing something out for some reason.

He is perhaps, in the habit of doing things he shouldn't while tanked. And perhaps, the girl was just 'responding'.

[Alouette]

School uniforms.