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Lesbian couple wins right to have names on birth certificate
Newsday ^ | 05.26.05 | WAYNE PARRY

Posted on 05/26/2005 9:45:58 PM PDT by Coleus

NEWARK, N.J. -- From the moment they held hands, pledged their love and signed documents in New York registering themselves as domestic partners, Kimberly Robinson and Jeanne LoCicero considered themselves a family.

And when they decided to have a baby through artificial insemination, the Essex County couple wanted the courts to consider them one as well.

On Wednesday, they got their wish. In a first-of-its kind ruling in New Jersey, a judge granted LoCicero full co-parenting rights to the baby Robinson bore, without having to go through lengthy adoption proceedings.

Thus, they will both be listed as parents on the birth certificate of little Vivian Ryan LoCicero, who was born on April 30, once the document is issued.

"We're thrilled," LoCicero, a staff attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union of New Jersey, said Thursday. "We always felt like a family; now it's nice to know the court thinks we are one, too."

"We are relieved that we won't have the uncertainty and fear about whether our daughter would be protected if something happened to one of us," added Robinson.

Robinson and LoCicero registered in New York as domestic partners in 2003 and got married in Canada last summer. They bought a house together and decided they wanted to have a child together. Robinson was impregnated using sperm from an anonymous donor.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: aclu; activistjudge; family; homosexualadoption; homosexualagenda; homosexuallist; idolatry; judiciary; lesbians; newark; nuclearfamily; perverts; turkeybaster; twomoms; whosyourbaby; whosyourdaddy
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1 posted on 05/26/2005 9:45:59 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: Coleus

Father of child

Baster, Turkey


2 posted on 05/26/2005 9:47:04 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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ping to self for later pingout.

Blech.


3 posted on 05/26/2005 9:47:47 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it.)
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To: Coleus

This is about the dumbest thing I ever heard of.

Sure this isn't Massachusetts?


4 posted on 05/26/2005 9:50:22 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (In God We Trust. All Others We Monitor.)
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To: Coleus
Imagine what it's like to want a real dad.
5 posted on 05/26/2005 9:50:25 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: Coleus

Thus, they will both be listed as parents on the birth certificate of little Vivian Ryan LoCicero, who was born on April 30, once the document is issued.

Isn't this just the sweetest thing?


6 posted on 05/26/2005 9:50:26 PM PDT by de Buillion (Thank God for GWB, Ann Coulter, and PARIS HILTON!)
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To: Coleus

Sick, perverted ruling.


7 posted on 05/26/2005 9:51:13 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: NormsRevenge
     Vivian Ryan LoCicero: Come to Daddy
8 posted on 05/26/2005 9:51:18 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: NormsRevenge
Father of child

Baster, Turkey

My first child was born with the help of science.

Be respectful. The fact that a lesbian couple did this and somehow got it legalized shouldn't indict the millions of hetero couples who may have never had children w/out this procedure.

9 posted on 05/26/2005 9:51:31 PM PDT by Carling (FReemail me if you want articles that interest, well...me!)
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To: de Buillion

poor child.


10 posted on 05/26/2005 9:51:48 PM PDT by Nyboe
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To: Coleus

Yeah, all children who have scientific help for conception don't deserve to live.


11 posted on 05/26/2005 9:54:13 PM PDT by Carling (FReemail me if you want articles that interest, well...me!)
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To: Coleus

Put anything you like on the birth certificate you selfish narcissistic libs. It's ALL ABOUT YOU. The fact you are screwing up a kid forever really doesn't enter into it does it? That's beside the point isn't it. Let's change right and wrong and all of society to fit our immature wants and needs.
grumble....grumble.... Sorry, when selfishness and stupidity reign it gets my Irish up.


12 posted on 05/26/2005 9:54:55 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: Coleus

No mention of the gender of the baby? I'm not going to take the name "Vivian" at face value with these types.


13 posted on 05/26/2005 9:55:32 PM PDT by thoughtomator (The U.S. Constitution poses no serious threat to our form of government)
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To: Coleus

What's the point?

14 posted on 05/26/2005 10:00:46 PM PDT by MarineBrat
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To: Carling

Yeah, all children who have scientific help for conception don't deserve to live. >>>

Are you for real? Where did I say that? Turkey basting was made for just that, basting turkeys.


15 posted on 05/26/2005 10:02:34 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: IrishCatholic

This is a perfect example of what is wrong with the courts.

This couple didn't try to get legislation passed. No, they simply went to a nitwit judge, who promptly decreeed one of these two women to be the man, I guess. God only knows who's name went on the certificate as "Father", all jokes aside.

The court should have tossed the case without so much as a hearing. The courts should not be facilitators for this kind of errant nonsense.


16 posted on 05/26/2005 10:02:44 PM PDT by John Valentine (Whoop dee doo)
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To: Carling

Get a grip.


17 posted on 05/26/2005 10:02:57 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; annalex; ...


18 posted on 05/26/2005 10:03:53 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Carling
The fact that a lesbian couple did this and somehow got it legalized shouldn't indict the millions of hetero couples who may have never had children w/out this procedure.

Who indicted millions of heteros?

This has nothing to do with heteros, hence my comment in jest.

19 posted on 05/26/2005 10:05:55 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: Coleus

This is child exploitation.


20 posted on 05/26/2005 10:07:22 PM PDT by microgood
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To: Coleus

Looks like more baster-dization of the nuclear family sanctioned by a court.

Who's your Daddy now, Turkey. ;-)


21 posted on 05/26/2005 10:10:05 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: Carling
My opinion is that it's not artificial insemination that is being made fun of, but the fact that a birth certificate is no longer a certificate of birth and parentage. It is now just a certificate listing the legal guardians of an individual.

I could give birth and list Santa Claus as the daddy. It means nothing as far as who the biological parents are.

Remember during childhood when every child wondered for a moment whether they were adopted and mom and dad pulled out the birth certificate to prove it to you? Well...over the years, the birth certificate has lost it's legitimacy as being evidence of one's true parentage. Now...it's just a document wherein the mother can list just about anyone as the father....or in this case...co-parent.

22 posted on 05/26/2005 10:11:09 PM PDT by TNdandelion
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To: Coleus

The document will be factually incorrect, and therefore useless. Doesn't the judge care about that at all? Does he not understand the purpose of such documents is to assemble information based on facts, not on 'feelings'? It's not a birth announcement, for cryin' out loud...it's for record keeping purposes. Or at least they used to be.

Yes, those are rhetorical questions. It's obvious the judge was bitten by a rabid moonbat long ago and has the venom coursing through his bloodstream.

This is another reason to scorn the Slimy Sucker Seven for their 'compromise'. They are perpetuating exactly this type of idiocy.


23 posted on 05/26/2005 10:14:08 PM PDT by LostInBayport (One Massachusetts conservative adrift in a sea of liberal lunacy...)
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To: NormsRevenge

What do they do on Thanksgiving Day? Eat cornflakes? Or bring out big daddy to add help add flavor to the stuffing.\

the nuclear family will, some day, be a thing of the past.


24 posted on 05/26/2005 10:14:35 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Coleus

Rosie O'Donnell is actually a man, isn't he? I mean, he must have been so pleased to hear that Kelli Carpenter was pregnant and he wasn't shooting blanks.


25 posted on 05/26/2005 10:16:04 PM PDT by RichInOC (...I'm not sorry, but I just couldn't resist.)
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To: Coleus
Before reacting we ought to look at the statute. It appears that the court is somehow fixing financial responsibility on a willing lesbian partner for the financial care of the kid. So far so good, this relieves the tax payer to the degree she is responsible.

The degree to which this ruling confers parental rights on the lesbian partner who has not otherwise qualified under adoption proceedings is quite another matter because that affects the child's rights without a guardian in fact or law to protect his interests in the matter. If this is merely an end run around the adoption statutes, it is highly improper.
26 posted on 05/26/2005 10:16:21 PM PDT by nathanbedford (The UN was bribed and Good Men Died)
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To: Coleus

..........father of child,???? or second mother of child??
GOD HELP US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


27 posted on 05/26/2005 10:16:27 PM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift my eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: TNdandelion; NormsRevenge; Coleus

I just didn't find the Turkey Baster references funny at all.

Sorry for having an opinion. Deal with it.


28 posted on 05/26/2005 10:17:01 PM PDT by Carling (FReemail me if you want articles that interest, well...me!)
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To: NormsRevenge
This has nothing to do with heteros, hence my comment in jest.

No, just in poor taste

29 posted on 05/26/2005 10:19:25 PM PDT by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: John Valentine
The court should have tossed the case without so much as a hearing. The courts should not be facilitators for this kind of errant nonsense.

So true! Without any genetic contribution whatsoever, the court rules that this lesbo room mate is a co-parent? We're watching a judicial circus of invented values.

30 posted on 05/26/2005 10:22:55 PM PDT by ThirstyMan
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To: Carling

Sadly, heterosexual couples started this nonsense of conceving a child in a lab as if creating a life was a scientific process rather than a procreative mystical act.

Its not the child's fault - just like its not the child's fault if he is conceived in rape. The child should not be killed or maltreated because he was ill-concieved. But that does not excuse the selfish act of the parent(s).

His parents demanded he be custom made in a lab - with some siblings created as spares that have already been killed off or frozen indefinitely.


31 posted on 05/26/2005 10:23:09 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: Coleus
Poor child, I can hear the taunts now, "Who's your Daddy?"

Why is it that adults can be so damn selfish and never consider the consequences to the children of their actions.

32 posted on 05/26/2005 10:29:42 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: MilspecRob

It's in no more poor taste than lesbians who would try to pass themselves off as 'normal' like most of the rest of us.


33 posted on 05/26/2005 10:30:11 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: Coleus

This may be news in New York but it is not news. Most states can have a Pre-Birth Order in place before a baby is born, and Parent 1 and Parent 2 can be placed on the birth certificate.


34 posted on 05/26/2005 10:32:40 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: ThirstyMan

The California Supreme Court just heard arguments on just this type of issue.

There will be many many such cases in the future as the nuclear family is under assault from all sides, all so they can be considered or granted 'normal' status in society.

Who has more standing when a couple divorces, and what of the child then?


35 posted on 05/26/2005 10:33:52 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: NormsRevenge
It's in no more poor taste than lesbians who would try to pass themselves off as 'normal' like most of the rest of us.

Don't skirt the point here. You debase a medical process that scores of ""normal:"' women have had, including, perhaps, posters on this board. How about posting something more thought provoking?

36 posted on 05/26/2005 10:42:58 PM PDT by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Who has more standing when a couple divorces, and what of the child then?

Obviously biology, i.e. the genetic contribution of the parents, has no standing anymore.

It is not a birth certificate, it is a birth statement.

The court has entered never-neverland on this ruling. I hope this ruling is subject to review.

37 posted on 05/26/2005 10:44:02 PM PDT by ThirstyMan
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To: MilspecRob

I'll say the same thing I said to Carling earlier.

Get a grip. Trying to have these lesbians seek normalcy is a good trick and a Judge fell for it.

Oh, and speaking of skirting the "issue", I took it head on. You just don't like my take is all. I never said anything derogatory towards any others who may have been artifically inseminated but it sure rubbed you the wrong way for some reason.

It must have been pretty thought provoking for you if you wish to belabor my quip, whether it was in bad taste or not.

Oh, btw, you can do a search for my alias and see all kind of thought provoking articles and such I have posted over the years here at FR.

I bet you voted for aRnie, huh? (just a hunch)


38 posted on 05/26/2005 10:55:14 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Not Mass. but the asshole state of New Jersey---where I left over ten years ago after living there since WW2---maybe it and the rest of the east coast will fall off like Californicator and the rest of the west coast


39 posted on 05/26/2005 11:07:53 PM PDT by cmotormac44
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To: NormsRevenge
Get a grip.

Be careful. If you get Church Lady all riled up, she'll hit you with her purse.
40 posted on 05/26/2005 11:18:05 PM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: MilspecRob
You debase a medical process that scores of ""normal:"' women have had, including, perhaps, posters on this board...

Maybe he does, but that medical process debases the natural process of reproductive biology. In fact, all medicine is a perversion of biology and any human manipulation is not natural.

41 posted on 05/27/2005 2:19:25 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: MilspecRob
Don't skirt the point here. You debase a medical process...

Asking a male friend to donate sperm, and then using a turkey baster to impregnate your lesbian partner is deadly serious, but I hesitate to call it a "medical process."

It is a cruel process to create a child while pretending that fathers are optional.

42 posted on 05/27/2005 2:31:57 AM PDT by maica (A hammer doesn't work unless you have an anvil. The "agreed judges" are the anvil. AFPhys)
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To: John Valentine
The court should have tossed the case without so much as a hearing.

Not so sure about that John. They may have designed it to be a real quandry.

I dated a girl in college that went to the dark side. Her girlfriend gave the ovum to be fertilized and the one I knew had them implanted.

It ain't pretty, but who do you disenfranchise?

43 posted on 05/27/2005 2:42:13 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Coleus
they will both be listed as parents on the birth certificate

So much for reality.

44 posted on 05/27/2005 4:20:33 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Carling

dang fly on my screen...

45 posted on 05/27/2005 5:53:54 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: papertyger
It ain't pretty, but who do you disenfranchise? Yeah, I agree, but that's not the issue here. A Birth Certificate is a record of the blood parentage of a child, not a feel-good award for the baby's scrapbook. The names recorded on the birth certificate need to be the names of the two people who contributed their DNA to create the child, and no one else.
46 posted on 05/27/2005 5:58:39 AM PDT by John Valentine (Whoop dee doo)
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To: papertyger
It ain't pretty, but who do you disenfranchise?

Yeah, I agree, but that's not the issue here. A Birth Certificate is a record of the blood parentage of a child, not a feel-good award for the baby's scrapbook. The names recorded on the birth certificate need to be the names of the two people who contributed their DNA to create the child, and no one else.

47 posted on 05/27/2005 5:59:00 AM PDT by John Valentine (Whoop dee doo)
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To: Coleus

"thinking themselves wise, they became fools..."


48 posted on 05/27/2005 6:00:41 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Carling

Oh...don't apologize to me. I'm not bothered in the least. I just think your sensitivity to the subject is getting in the way. It happens to the best of us at times.


49 posted on 05/27/2005 6:09:09 AM PDT by TNdandelion
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To: Notwithstanding
Sadly, heterosexual couples started this nonsense of conceving a child in a lab as if creating a life was a scientific process rather than a procreative mystical act.

Wow. Talk about a negative outlook on life. You are confusing artifical insemination with IVF.

50 posted on 05/27/2005 6:09:27 AM PDT by ladyjane
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