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Steyn: EU just won't take 'no' for an answer
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | May 29, 2005 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 05/29/2005 2:39:29 AM PDT by xjcsa

Following Sunday's vote in France, on Wednesday Dutch voters get to express their opinion on the proposed "European Constitution." Heartening to see democracy in action, notwithstanding the European elite's hysterical warnings that, without the constitution, the continent will be set back on the path to Auschwitz. I haven't seen the official ballot, but the choice seems to be: "Check Box A to support the new constitution; check Box B for genocide and conflagration."

Alas, this tactic doesn't seem to have worked. So, a couple of days before the first referendum, Jean-Claude Juncker, the "president" of the European Union, let French and Dutch voters know how much he values their opinion:

"If at the end of the ratification process, we do not manage to solve the problems, the countries that would have said No, would have to ask themselves the question again," "President" Juncker told the Belgian newspaper Le Soir.

Got that? You have the right to vote, but only if you give the answer your rulers want you to give. But don't worry, if you don't, we'll treat you like a particularly backward nursery school and keep asking the question until you get the answer right. Even America's bossiest nanny-state Democrats don't usually express their contempt for the will of the people quite so crudely.

Juncker is a man from Luxembourg, a country two-thirds the size of your rec room, and, under the agreeably clubby EU arrangements, he gets to serve as "president" without anything so tiresome as having to be voted into the job by "ordinary people." His remarks capture precisely the difference between the new Europe and the American republic.

Sick in bed a couple of months back, I started reading A Declaration of Interdependence: Why America Should Join the World by Will Hutton, and found it such a laugh I was soon hurling my medication away and doing cartwheels round the room. Hutton was a sort of eminence grise to Tony Blair, at least in his pre-warmongering pre-Bush-poodle phase. Hutton is the master of the dead language of statism that distinguishes the complacent Europhile from a good percentage of Americans, not all of them Republicans.

That said, even as a fully paid-up Eurobore, Hutton's at pains to establish how much he loves America: "I enjoy Sheryl Crow and Clint Eastwood alike, delight in Woody Allen . . ."

I'd wager he's faking at least two of these enthusiasms. As for the third, Woody Allen is the man the French government turned to for assistance with a commercial intended to restore their nation's image in America after anger at post-9/11 Gallic obstructionism began to have commercial implications for France. In the advertisement, Woody said he disliked the notion of renaming French fries "freedom fries." What next, he wondered. Freedom kissing?

Despite the queasy mental image of Woody French-kissing, I'm with him on that one: If you don't like the phrase "French fries," there's a perfectly good British word: "chip." It conveniently covers both the menu item, and what the French have on their shoulder. That the French government could think that an endorsement by Woody Allen would improve their standing with the American people is itself a sad testament to the ever-widening Atlantic chasm. And that Will Hutton could think his appreciation of Woody is proof of his own pro-Americanism only widens the gap by another half-mile.

But, having brandished his credentials, Hutton says that it's his "affection for the best of America that makes me so angry that it has fallen so far from the standards it expects of itself." The great Euro-thinker is not arguing that America is betraying the Founding Fathers, but that the Founding Fathers themselves got it hopelessly wrong. He compares the American and French Revolutions, and decides the latter was better because instead of the radical individualism of the 13 colonies the French promoted "a new social contract."

Well, you never know. It may be the defects of America's Founders that help explain why the United States has lagged so far behind France in technological innovation, economic growth, military performance, standard of living, etc. Entranced by his Europhilia, Hutton insists that "all western democracies subscribe to a broad family of ideas that are liberal or leftist."

Given that New Hampshire has been a continuous democracy for two centuries longer than Germany, this seems a doubtful proposition. It would be more accurate to say that almost all European nations subscribe to a broad family of ideas that are statist. Or, as Hutton has it, "the European tradition is much more mindful that men and women are social animals and that individual liberty is only one of a spectrum of values that generate a good society."

Precisely. And it's the willingness to subordinate individual liberty to what Hutton calls "the primacy of society" that has blighted the continent for over a century: Statism -- or "the primacy of society" -- is what fascism, Nazism, communism and now European Union all have in common. In fairness, after the first three, European Union seems a comparatively benign strain of the disease -- not a Blitzkrieg, just a Bitzkrieg, an accumulation of fluffy trivial pan-European laws that nevertheless takes for granted that the natural order is a world in which every itsy-bitsy activity is licensed and regulated and constitutionally defined by government.

That's why Will Hutton feels almost physically insecure when he's in one of the spots on the planet where the virtues of the state religion are questioned.

"In a world that is wholly private," he says of America, "we lose our bearings; deprived of any public anchor, all we have are our individual subjective values to guide us." He deplores the First Amendment and misses government-regulated media, which in the EU ensures that all public expression is within approved parameters (left to center-left). "Europe," he explains, "acts to ensure that television and radio conform to public interest criteria."

"Public interest criteria" doesn't mean criteria that the public decide is in their interest. It means that the elite -- via various appointed bodies -- decide what the public's interest is. Will Hutton is a member of the European elite, so that suits him fine. But it's never going to catch on in America -- I hope.

As European "president" Juncker spelled out to the French and Dutch electorates, a culture that subordinates the will of the people to the "primacy of society" is unlikely to take no for an answer. And, if you ignore referendum results, a frustrated citizenry turns to other outlets.


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To: Pietro
And yet one continues to hear this claptrap that working Republicans and conservatives are voting against their own best interest.

Who says so? Why DemonRats, of course!

21 posted on 05/29/2005 4:45:33 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: Mrs Mark
Missouri Compromise
22 posted on 05/29/2005 4:49:45 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

Steyn, as usual, comes up with some brilliant quips like this one.

"If you don't like the phrase "French fries," there's a perfectly good British word: "chip." It conveniently covers both the menu item, and what the French have on their shoulder."

Priceless!!!!!!!!!


23 posted on 05/29/2005 5:09:52 AM PDT by Neville72
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To: metesky
The Missouri Compromise took a large chunk of Massachusetts and created Maine. It never sunk in before, but it is kinda funny.

Thanks for the info.

24 posted on 05/29/2005 5:16:29 AM PDT by Mark was here (My tag line was about to be censored.)
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To: goldstategop

I was surprised to note that even the DUmmies got it right.

The American constitution is a concise, readable four pages. The EU constitution is an impossible 450 pages. Even they agreed that a 450 page constitution should not be signed.


25 posted on 05/29/2005 5:19:04 AM PDT by Sam the Sham
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To: xjcsa
You have the right to vote, but only if you give the answer your rulers want you to give. But don't worry, if you don't, we'll treat you like a particularly backward nursery school and keep asking the question until you get the answer right. Even America's bossiest nanny-state Democrats don't usually express their contempt for the will of the people quite so crudely.

My only quibble with Steyn's above observation is that in many places here in Iowa, we get exactly the same thing every two years or so... for school bonds or other special elections to raise taxes to increase educrat comfort levels.

26 posted on 05/29/2005 5:36:31 AM PDT by niteowl77 (I see seven senators badly in need of emergency RINOplasty.)
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""Europe," he explains, "acts to ensure that television and radio conform to public interest criteria."
27 posted on 05/29/2005 5:36:43 AM PDT by drpix
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To: xjcsa
Even America's bossiest nanny-state Democrats don't usually express their contempt for the will of the people quite so crudely.

They did with the ERA. When that lost the first thing they did was extend the years available for ratification. Then when the door was reopened for recalcitrant states to rethink their objections, a state or two decided support for the ERA was premature. They were told by liberals they could not "reconsider."

It's always entertaining when a liberal can't get his quiche baked.

28 posted on 05/29/2005 6:07:50 AM PDT by stevem
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To: stevem

The feminists in government CONTINUE to introduce the ERA in state govenments.


29 posted on 05/29/2005 6:19:31 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: xjcsa

"Public interst criteria"? Somewhere in hell, Joseph Goebbels is laughing his a*s off!


30 posted on 05/29/2005 6:26:34 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: goldstategop
I don't think Europeans are taking things into their own hands. They are reacting to their unpopular governments by voting against the EU, that's all. Nothing is changing substantially.

Monarchist Europe still exists in a dispersed, bureaucratic, nannycratic form. The commoner is to be ruled by those wiser than he, and the commoner votes for it, again and again and again. The "rabble" is angry now only because of high prices and unemployment and the threat of cheap labor from the south and east, and in the Dutch case, additionally by the murder of a man by a religious nut.

The EU will not solve these problems, of course, but in the birthplace of existentialism and dialectical materialism, the belief that the EU will solve all problems persists, and will continue to persist until its final Islamification. Then, when the adherents of existentialism and dialectical materialism are annihilated by religious zealots unhindered by mercy and justice, well, it won't solve any socioeconomic problems either, but at least we won't have to listen to European ignorantsia anymore.

And so it will go in the U.S., since the Republicans refuse to stand up to the minority liberals in the Senate. And why should they care? They are the elite, want to be feted by their co-elites, and the Republican Party will not disabuse them of the notion that this is unacceptable.

Thank you. Now my mood can improve.

31 posted on 05/29/2005 7:04:06 AM PDT by TheGeezer
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To: xjcsa

Eyes wide open bump.


32 posted on 05/29/2005 7:11:01 AM PDT by aculeus (Ceci n'est pas une tag line.)
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To: goldstategop
I found this today at "http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/006392.php":

Is there any common measure between the grouch vote of nostalgic crypto-peasants and the “parochial” vote of French Jews and neo-conservatives who want to stop the European machine in its tracks? Many voters will say NON to the Treaty for the establishment of a European Constitution this Sunday because they believe in democracy, cherish Europe’s Jewish and Christian values, and trust national sovereignty more than EU oligarchy. For these NON voters, the Treaty for a Constitution is more like a Munich agreement and nothing like the timeless, elegant, document framed by America’s Founding Fathers.[emphasis added]

It is by someone far more knowledgeable than I regarding European political sentiments, and supports your hopeful assertion.

Regards.

33 posted on 05/29/2005 7:49:23 AM PDT by TheGeezer
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To: xjcsa
...Woody Allen is the man the French government turned to for assistance with a commercial intended to restore their nation's image in America...

Woody Allen, the man who stole his step-daughter's heart, was called on to restore the reputation of France. lol

Sorry Mia.

34 posted on 05/29/2005 7:54:43 AM PDT by ricks_place
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To: goldstategop
Sorry - bad typing - here's a repost of the link that works: (Good link)

Sorry about that.

35 posted on 05/29/2005 7:58:29 AM PDT by TheGeezer
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To: longtermmemmory
The feminists in government CONTINUE to introduce the ERA in state govenments.

Isn't that the truth. And the same statist, Marxist bastards want to force gay marriage down our throats. They just will not take NO for an answer. Notice the situation in Oregon, where we overwhelmingly supported a Const. Amend. banning sodomist "marriage", and yet our girly-man governor wants to introduce a bill that pretty much amounts to the same thing.

The right wing in America is the last bastion for the defense of our civilization.

36 posted on 05/29/2005 8:06:36 AM PDT by nwrep
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To: Smile-n-Win; Howlin; riley1992; Miss Marple; deport; Dane; sinkspur; steve; kattracks; ...
Thanks!

Steyn ping!


37 posted on 05/29/2005 8:38:13 AM PDT by Pokey78 (‘FREE [INSERT YOUR FETID TOTALITARIAN BASKET-CASE HERE]’)
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To: edskid
In Houston, city officials kept asking us if we wanted to pay for light rail. We kept saying no, but they eventually squeaked out a victory in a low turnout election.

Same principle.

38 posted on 05/29/2005 8:52:43 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: YepYep

"Best wishes to the people of France. May their vote be truly reflective of their hopes and dreams."

Hear! Hear! I second that emotion!


39 posted on 05/29/2005 8:59:40 AM PDT by jocon307 (Legal immigrant Irish grandmother rolls in grave, yet again.)
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To: goldstategop

"The Left here wants to turn America into Europe through the courts by ignoring the will of the citizenry. Today's vote in France is a fortuitous sign that ordinary people have had enough and are intent on taking matters back in their own hands. Europe has a future but not one cowebbed by elite designs and the suffocating dead hand of Eurocrat busybodyness. 'Nuff said."

The EU is getting pissed off that Christians are rising up to finally say that they had had enough of this IslamoMarxist attitude the governments in the EU are taking. And they cannot supress this because they want to keep the US as far removed as possible.

Imagine if we get involved by saying look what is happening to global Christianty. It would only prove Bush was right once again.


40 posted on 05/29/2005 9:06:11 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Liberal Talking Point - Bush = Hitler ... Republican Talking Point - Let the Liberals Talk)
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