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Age-old debate over N.C. barbecue fired up
AP Wire ^ | May 29, 2005 | AP Wire

Posted on 05/29/2005 11:47:02 AM PDT by varina davis

Age-Old Debate Over N.C. Barbecue Fired Up

By MARTHA WAGGONER Associated Press Writer

10:15 AM PDT, May 29, 2005

ARCADIA, N.C. — Fourth-graders here expected a civics lesson when they suggested that the Lexington Barbecue Festival be named the state's official food festival. Instead, they got a lesson in the fierce intrastate rivalry over barbecue that pits west vs. east, tomato vs. vinegar and whole shoulder against whole pig.

"I didn't know so many people would be asking questions and wanting to know how I feel about it," said 10-year-old Kaylyn Vaughan. "You have to realize it is a very big deal."

While Texas generally unites behind beef brisket, Kansas City has its slathered ribs and South Carolina holds dear to its mustard-sauced pork, North Carolinians are divided about their two distinct barbecue styles.

Crowning one style as "official" would be a mistake, said Bob Garner, author of the book "North Carolina Barbecue," which doesn't take a stand on which version is supreme.

"The whole story of barbecue in North Carolina is about these two distinct styles and this fun, family argument that we just refuse to get rid of," Garner said. "People love to argue about this."

North Carolina's western barbecue, also known as Lexington or Piedmont, is made from the shoulder of the hog and has a red, tomato-based sauce. Eastern style takes seriously an old North Carolina adage -- "We use every part of the pig except the squeal" -- and uses a vinegar-based sauce.

The argument about which is best has waged forever, although Garner said eastern style came first. The state's tourism division even conducted an online poll in 2002. Thousands of votes were cast, with eastern winning by a snout, although the head of the Lexington visitors bureau demanded a recount.

The pupils of Friedberg Elementary School in west-central North Carolina fired up the fight innocently enough in February when they decided to undertake a civics project. They could have studied the state tree, the state bird or the state fish. They chose food.

They wrote letters to lawmakers asking that the one-day Lexington event, one of Travel & Leisure magazine's Top 10 food festivals, be named the "state food festival."

Two lawmakers obliged, but when the bills were filed, they mistakenly called for Lexington's event to become the "state barbecue festival."

The damage was done.

"Remind lawmakers that while our humble pig may not get the publicity Lexington gathers from the lying Yankee press, we still put on a pretty good show," columnist Dennis Rogers, a protector of eastern-style, wrote in The News & Observer of Raleigh.

The High Point Enterprise defended the western style, calling it barbecue from "a lean, filet of pork shoulder in Lexington, not all of Old McDonald's pig."

From there, the students' lesson became political. A House committee recommended the festival receive the state designation last month, but the bill ended up in another committee. In the Senate, the bill has been stuck in committee since it was filed.

"I don't really expect that the bill will be heard," said one of its sponsors, Sen. Stan Bingham, a Republican from the Lexington style's home turf of Davidson County.

Bingham denies the bill was meant to say Lexington-style barbecue tastes better than eastern style. "It's just indicating that 150,000 people come to Lexington for the festival," he said, somewhat unconvincingly.

That's what the Friedberg children say as well. And they manage to say it without an arched eyebrow in the bunch.

"I wish we could all get along," said 10-year-old James Lumley.

Then he gets down and dirty.

"I know that we all think western is better than eastern," he said, pointing around the table at three friends, "and I think western is better."

Garner gives the nod to western-style barbecue on two counts: its aficionados have done a better job of sticking to pit-cooked barbecue than their eastern counterparts, who have no big barbecue festival comparable to Lexington's.

But Garner believes it is heresy to pass a bill that essentially gives western-style the imprimatur of being the best.

"I just think it would be a shame to set up either eastern or Lexington as the official thing when it's all about the friendly debate."


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: barbecue; bbq; debate; fired; lyingyankeepress; nc
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To: evangmlw
That is EXACTLY where we have our annual reunions - in July, the heat of the summer. I have family in Warren (Ridgeway cantaloupes) Halifax, Nash, Edgecombe, Wake, Franklin - and now Buncombe.

I'm in mtns now and miss BBQ sooo much. I saw recipe here - think I will try it.

61 posted on 05/29/2005 1:55:59 PM PDT by ncpatriot
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To: inkling

That Weber Bullet is one sweet smoker.The only thing about it that could be improved is the water pan`s a little small.

With a little practice you can barbeque at home as good as anything you can buy in a resturant with that smoker!


62 posted on 05/29/2005 1:56:45 PM PDT by tnfarmer
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To: TennTuxedo

That's the real deal.
(My daddy used to swear by a place called Leonard's.)
Haven't had any since my mom passed. She knew how to do it.

Just nasty tough brisket here in Texas. :-(


63 posted on 05/29/2005 2:00:58 PM PDT by stands2reason (It's 2005, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: Bombardier

It ain't BBQ unless it is Texas slow smoked BBQ.....nothing is better anywhere!


64 posted on 05/29/2005 2:02:12 PM PDT by engrpat
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To: sharktrager; All
The best ever was my dad's real pit hickory smoked barbecue, the sauce slightly sweet and so spicy it made your tonsils tingle. He was a Georgia Cracker and barbecue was sacrosanct.
65 posted on 05/29/2005 2:06:22 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: blackdog
They refer to it as "mustard-based" BBQ Sauce I believe.


66 posted on 05/29/2005 2:09:41 PM PDT by RobFromGa (Send Bolton to the UN!)
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To: Ditter

My husband added vinegar and beer to your list of ingredients - don't know the proportions though...


67 posted on 05/29/2005 2:13:35 PM PDT by stands2reason (It's 2005, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: Dinsdale
IMHO ribs taste better if you peal the silver skin off the bottom of you ribs before rubbing.

Not opinion, it is a fact they are better with the membrane removed. By removing that thin membrane the ribs will take on a even flavor through out.

68 posted on 05/29/2005 2:18:49 PM PDT by engrpat
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To: stands2reason
Vinegar sounds right but not the beer, thanks. I don't remember dad being very precise on his measurements anyway.
69 posted on 05/29/2005 2:27:26 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: varina davis

I met Bob Gardner at an even in High Point, NC last weekend, and bought both his books on NC BBQ. He is careful not to take sides on eastern NC vs. Lexington, but you can tell he really prefers his cooked over wood. Had a hankering for some cue for lunch today so tried Stamey's in Greensboro but it was closed. Ended up at Clark's in Kernersville--pit cooked Lexington style. It was very good IMO. On the whole, I like the eastern style, but both can be excellent. Gotta have it with sweet tea in any case.


70 posted on 05/29/2005 2:31:51 PM PDT by Cautor
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To: MplsSteve
Check out "Carolina Treet" sauce. I was turned on to it several years ago and buy it over the 'net. It is mostly a thickened paprika, oil, salt, and spice sauce with vinegar but no sugar. It does not burn so it is a cooking and marinading sauce. The kids demand it on chicken wings. I and my wife like it too.
71 posted on 05/29/2005 2:36:29 PM PDT by Final Authority
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To: varina davis

Just remember, with "propane, you taste the food, not the fuel".


72 posted on 05/29/2005 2:37:37 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Ditter
I don't remember dad being very precise on his measurements anyway.

Hubby says his father "guessed" too.

You can always Google "sop recipe" if you want some sort of guideline.

73 posted on 05/29/2005 2:41:04 PM PDT by stands2reason (It's 2005, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: stands2reason
I just thought of another ingredient that must have been in there. Worcestershire Sauce!
74 posted on 05/29/2005 2:44:13 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: varina davis

Finally, an argument we can sink out teeth into!!
(and eastern North Carolina BBQ is best!)


75 posted on 05/29/2005 2:44:36 PM PDT by Stoigo
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To: MplsSteve
I've never had a vinegar-based BBQ sauce. Sounds kinda good.

yummy!

OTOH, I'd like to try South Carolina's mustard-based BBQ.

That sounds good too.

YUMMY!!!

Wheres the vinager-mustard based BBQ sauce?

My palate is in a turmoil!!!! ; )

76 posted on 05/29/2005 3:11:22 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: DugwayDuke

El Paso is a bit far for me to travel but will keep it in mind.

Re Betty Roses:
Best I can advise, if you are in the Abilene area be sure to try it.
You wont be dissapointed.


77 posted on 05/29/2005 3:13:03 PM PDT by 76834 (Lock and Load)
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To: engrpat
Not opinion, it is a fact they are better with the membrane removed. By removing that thin membrane the ribs will take on a even flavor through out.

I know, I was being diplomatic. Trying to suggest changes to BBQ recipees is a delicate thing. I don't know if that was his grandpaws recipee.

78 posted on 05/29/2005 3:15:12 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: All

Uh, iffin ya have to put sauce on it that just means it ain't been cooked right....


79 posted on 05/29/2005 3:22:09 PM PDT by Proud_texan (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Calvin Locke

"Just remember, with "propane, you taste the food, not the fuel"

I have never tasted lighter fluid on anything I have ever cooked.

Mustard BBQ sauce, found on the web:

This a a wonderful sauce that goes well on ribs. You can also pour in on to ham.
1 cup chicken broth or beef broth
1 cup prepared mustard
1/2 cup red wine vinegar
1/3 cup brown sugar, packed
3 tablespoons butter
2 tablespoons Worcestershire sauce
2 tablespoons tomato paste
2 tablespoons molasses
1 tablespoon garlic powder
1 tablespoon onion powder
1 teaspoon cayenne pepper
1 teaspoon salt
1/2 teaspoon pepper


1. Combine all ingredients cook for 20 minutes.


80 posted on 05/29/2005 3:25:39 PM PDT by Jewelsetter
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