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What is the goal of the ACLU?
Eco-logic Powerhouse magazine ^ | June1, 2005 | Jack Ward

Posted on 06/03/2005 10:56:36 AM PDT by snuffy smiff

What is the goal of the ACLU?

By Jack Ward

June 1, 2005

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) sounds like an organization that protects American values. Many people believe that the ACLU is the nation's guardian of liberty, and great protector of the U.S. Constitution. Unfortunately, the ACLU was never a promoter, or protector of American values or the Constitution. In fact, ACLU might as well stand for the American Communist Lawyers Union. The ACLU has created the facade that it is a champion of the oppressed, but it uses the powers of the government to coerce all members of our society into accepting a socialist existence.

Don't believe me, just read what Roger Baldwin, the co-founder of the ACLU said: "I am for socialism, disarmament, and ultimately, for abolishing the state itself... I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the properties class, and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal. I don't regret being part of the communist tactic. I knew what I was doing. I was not an innocent liberal. I wanted what the communists wanted, and I traveled the United Front road to get it." In spite of Baldwin's Communist leanings, President Jimmy Carter awarded him the Presidential Medal of Freedom on January 16, 1981.

Baldwin didn't create the ACLU in a vacuum, he had plenty of help. A group of Communist Party officials, fellow travelers, anarchists, and radicals joined Baldwin to found the ACLU in 1920.

Former chairman of the Communist Party USA, William Z. Foster was also an ACLU co-founder. Foster said, "The establishment of an American Soviet government will involve the confiscation of large landed estates in town and country, and also, the whole body of forests, mineral deposits, lakes, rivers, and so on."

The ACLU's official policy statement reveals that the intent of the ACLU (like the Communist Manifesto) is to undermine the moral foundation, and weaken the fabric of our society. For example, according to the ACLU's Policy Guide, the ACLU supports the legalization of all drugs (including "hard" drugs, like crack and PCP), public drunkenness, pornography (including "kiddie porn"), sexual perversion, (including sodomy, bestiality, pedophilia, and necrophilia), prostitution (including child prostitution), euthanasia, and infanticide.

Policy numbers 62 and 75 reveal that the ACLU is also opposed to a parent's role in educating their children, including home schooling and vouchers. Obviously, they believe the education of our youth is too important to be left to parents.

Policy numbers 239 and 242 state that the ACLU is opposed to the death penalty, even for the most heinous murderers. What is worse, the ACLU demands that all criminals (except murderers) be given suspended sentences, and released back into the community. We already know that most convicted criminals are prone to resume their life of crime, once released from prison. The ACLU policy of leniency is on display, everyday. These are examples of ACLU Policies that are designed to weaken the fabric of our society.

The ACLU mirrors Lenin's Rules for Revolution. Lenin's rules were revealed after a 1919 raid in Dusseldorf, Germany. The files marked Communist Rules for Revolution, included:

corrupt the young, control all means of publicity, divide people into hostile groups, destroy people's faith, preach democracy, but seize power, encourage government extravagance and discontent, foment strikes and civil disorder, breakdown moral values, and create a pretext to control all firearms.

These were Lenin's plans to undermine a society and create chaos, in order to successfully overthrow a government. And all this time, you thought that the ACLU was really concerned with your civil liberties.

Now, you know that the goal of the ACLU was, and continues to be, to promote Communism. Baldwin and his Communist buddies ran the ACLU for thirty years promoting the goals of the Communist Manifesto, and little has changed since he left. While it is true that not all ACLU members or supporters are Communists, all must be sympathetic to the ACLU goals, or they wouldn't be associated with the ACLU.

Once created, the ACLU provided legal protection to Communist infiltrators in the U.S. Since then, the ACLU has been the legal arm of the Collective Left (Communists, Socialists, Progressives, and Liberals) anarchists, radicals, and members of the Ku Klux Klan and NAMBLA (North American Man Boy Love Association).

Former ACLU Southern California staff attorney, Rees Lloyd is now working to expose the ACLU. Lloyd describes the ACLU as, "the Taliban of American liberal secularism."

I guess that the ACLU's goal must be to create anarchy, and destroy our society.


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This certainly answers my questions. And isn't it special that "one of their own" has turned on them.

While I knew very well that Jimmah Peanut was a whimpering simp, I wasn't aware he was such a commie sympathizer. This organizaton is more dangerous to this once great country than all of bin Ladie's bunch-JMNSHO. (this is like my second post-I hope I did it right)

1 posted on 06/03/2005 10:56:36 AM PDT by snuffy smiff
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To: b.crinton

To destroy America as we know it.


2 posted on 06/03/2005 10:59:23 AM PDT by SengirV
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To: b.crinton

I thought it was the Anti-Christian Liberals Union.


3 posted on 06/03/2005 11:01:55 AM PDT by Millee (So you're a feminist......isn't that cute??)
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To: b.crinton

save for later


4 posted on 06/03/2005 11:03:07 AM PDT by krunkygirl
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To: b.crinton

I am occasionally skeptical of the motives that drive the ACLU, but then they defend Rush Limbaugh's medical records as a matter of personal privacy.

I find that, like many things, people, and parties, there are both good and bad points to their agenda.

-Alex


5 posted on 06/03/2005 11:03:32 AM PDT by LittleAlex
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To: b.crinton
And you'll note which political party endorses those goals whole heartedly: The Democraps.

There is not, never has been, and never shall be a good member of that party....unless and until that member has assumed room teperature.

6 posted on 06/03/2005 11:04:07 AM PDT by Bombardier (Scratch a Democrat, find a traitor.)
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To: Jay777

Ping


7 posted on 06/03/2005 11:06:17 AM PDT by WarPaint (Crush Islam)
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To: b.crinton

Religion and Communism are not compatible. They have to destroy religion in American before they can destroy America itself. Besides, "lawyers" and Lefties have always had a problem with that "Thou shalt not covet" thing.


8 posted on 06/03/2005 11:06:22 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (We did not lose in Vietnam. We left.)
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To: Millee
"Anti-Christian Liberals Union...

Also aka Anti-Christian Luciferian Union.

9 posted on 06/03/2005 11:07:22 AM PDT by steenkeenbadges
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To: LittleAlex
I am occasionally skeptical of the motives that drive the ACLU, but then they defend Rush Limbaugh's medical records as a matter of personal privacy. I find that, like many things, people, and parties, there are both good and bad points to their agenda.

troll alert! defending Limbaugh was a ruse and a bone to confuse wish people like you. The ACLU's single purpose is to destroy this country and turn it into a Socialist hell. If you can't see the reality of the ACLU's actions, then you really need to do some serious and extensive reading.

10 posted on 06/03/2005 11:08:08 AM PDT by liberty2004
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To: krunkygirl

Ditto here. Freekin' WOW.


11 posted on 06/03/2005 11:08:41 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: b.crinton

Dual standard apparent in ACLU action on Koran

To the editor: As I read about the most recent ``scandal'' out of the War on Terror, I was struck by the fact that the American Civil Liberties Union seems to be taking an active role on behalf of our prisoners at Guantanamo. The ACLU seems outraged that the Koran was ``kicked, thrown to the floor and withheld as punishment.'' We have also heard much about the alleged ``outrageous'' act of flushing the Koran down a toilet.

Isn't this the same ACLU that so vigorously defends our right to burn and defame the American flag? Isn't this the very same ACLU that abhors Christian and Jewish decorations in town squares all over America? Is this the same ACLU that is vigorously defending the right of a University of Colorado professor to call the victims of the 9/11 attacks ``Little Eichmanns'' while retaining his position as an employee and representative of the university? I think we all well recognize this specific brand of doubletalk and hypocrisy as belonging to our own beloved ACLU.

Who is paying for these copies of the Koran at Guantanamo anyway? I can guarantee you that the Gideons haven't been invited, so I can only assume that somehow our tax dollars have been ``respecting an establishment of religion.'' If this is the case, then the ACLU should petition the federal government to seize these illbegotten perks from the prisoners. Maybe the ACLU could use them then as fire starter upon which they could later heap American flags.

Doug Martin, Norton


12 posted on 06/03/2005 11:09:39 AM PDT by dougiefresh
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To: b.crinton

Their goal is to destroy America, enslave its population, and to do the biddings of the mullahs..


13 posted on 06/03/2005 11:10:43 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: LittleAlex

welcome to FR-may your stay here be as small as your mind


14 posted on 06/03/2005 11:10:44 AM PDT by snuffy smiff (Jean Fraud Kerry-the Botox BoatWarrior,"oh no, aground again and huge riceberg approaching")
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To: LittleAlex
Glass is half empty:

Their goal is to push the country to the left. They pick battles that they are confident that they can win (areas with liberal judges) and occasionally fight for the rights of those on the right so that they don't appear to be pushing the left's agenda.
15 posted on 06/03/2005 11:10:47 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: b.crinton
You may want to start here to find out:


16 posted on 06/03/2005 11:10:55 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ('Well, a Democratic socialist ...is basically a liberal Democrat' - Howard Dean - DNC Chairman)
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To: Michael.SF.

Also, look at where they get their funding.


17 posted on 06/03/2005 11:15:06 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: LittleAlex
Yes, and a few years ago the mantra of the left in defending the ACLU was:

But they defended the Nazi's in Skokie.

So in the entire history of the ACLU there are two cases that everyone proclaims and point to to say they are a neutral group. 12,489 to 2 does not make them neutral.

18 posted on 06/03/2005 11:15:37 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ('Well, a Democratic socialist ...is basically a liberal Democrat' - Howard Dean - DNC Chairman)
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To: liberty2004

*Destroy* this country? Are you serious?

Seems harsh. Extreme statements like that usually indicate to me that more investigation is in order. Life is not black and white, in my experience. Mostly grey, I have found.

-Alex


19 posted on 06/03/2005 11:15:42 AM PDT by LittleAlex
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To: b.crinton

I have a small mind? C'mon. I've read this forum for a couple of years and signed up to speak yesterday. I've seen come folks treated like this, but what did I do?

Must I agree with you on all points to discuss?

-Alex


20 posted on 06/03/2005 11:18:45 AM PDT by LittleAlex
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To: LittleAlex

"I am occasionally skeptical of the motives that drive the ACLU, but then they defend Rush Limbaugh's medical records as a matter of personal privacy. "

If you noticed, their public pronouncement of supporting Rush created a whole stir in the MSM and liberal establishment, which mis-identified Rush as a drug abuser and criminal.

They had an agenda and used the right to privacy to slam Rush.


21 posted on 06/03/2005 11:21:10 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Liberal Talking Point - Bush = Hitler ... Republican Talking Point - Let the Liberals Talk)
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To: LittleAlex
Life is not black and white, in my experience. Mostly grey,

True, but one is not the other. Anyone in the ACLU is either on the bad guys' side... or confused. It is the primary function of the ACLU to make everything appear grey, except the white, which is painted black.

22 posted on 06/03/2005 11:23:08 AM PDT by derheimwill (Love is a person, not an emotion.)
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To: LittleAlex
"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened."

--Norman Thomas, six-time Socialist Party presidential candidate and one of the founders of the ACLU

23 posted on 06/03/2005 11:23:56 AM PDT by Skooz (If everyone knew everything about everyone, no one would have anything to do with anyone)
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To: liberty2004; LittleAlex; MeekOneGOP

Liberty,

I agree with you! He/she/it has strongly “mild” trolling opinions:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/user-posts?name=littlealex

Send him packing on a trolley bus!

Littlealex,

Go play with the your pals; the DUmmies!


24 posted on 06/03/2005 11:24:37 AM PDT by melancholy (Quiz: Name ONE country, other than the USA, that doesn’t control its borders.)
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To: LittleAlex

Yes, Alex. Things do look a bit grey when your head is up your backside. Pity you're not so articulate as you think you are. "More investigation", Really?


25 posted on 06/03/2005 11:26:18 AM PDT by Adrastus (If you don't like my attitude, talk to someone else.)
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To: b.crinton
What is the goal of the ACLU?

To send the individual to mass slaughter.

26 posted on 06/03/2005 11:26:58 AM PDT by elbucko
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To: Millee

Anti Christ Luciferians United


27 posted on 06/03/2005 11:27:17 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Taglines often reveal a lot about the inner person...)
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To: LittleAlex
>>>I find that, like many things, people, and parties, there are both good and bad points to their agenda.<<<

You don't need to accept the vast socialist baggage of the ALCU to make a case for privacy of personal medical records!

28 posted on 06/03/2005 11:28:06 AM PDT by HardStarboard (With Lebanon simmering, Iran on medium-high, whose next? I vote Syria....lets turn up the heat!)
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To: liberty2004

The ACLU defending rush did not fool me for one minuite.
That was intended to fool some of the people all of the time.they are 100% evil not 95%.many are on to there TRICK'S


29 posted on 06/03/2005 11:28:44 AM PDT by realman
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To: Adrastus

The "backside" thing works but I always believed that when you stopped seeing life in black and white and started seeing everything in gray, it was an indication that you were going blind.


30 posted on 06/03/2005 11:29:30 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (We did not lose in Vietnam. We left.)
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To: b.crinton
Jimmah himself stated that The American Revolution itself was both unnecessary and illegal.
31 posted on 06/03/2005 11:32:39 AM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: b.crinton

I just watched an internet video report on war crimes trial in The Hague including executions of prisoners. I watched and wondered why the ACLU is so pumped up to see Abu Grahb videos and Amnesty Intl. is crying over Gitmo. These groups are really pathetic and the American people would know it if the MSM showed stuff like that and we saw REAL atrocities.


32 posted on 06/03/2005 11:35:44 AM PDT by BallyBill
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To: LittleAlex; All; admin

Crap. And I thought that trollish activism had ended for awhile.

Begone troll!


33 posted on 06/03/2005 11:35:58 AM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: b.crinton

bookmark


34 posted on 06/03/2005 11:36:08 AM PDT by 12.7mm
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To: b.crinton
In spite of Baldwin's Communist leanings, President Jimmy Carter awarded him the Presidential Medal of Freedom on January 16, 1981.

Did anyone else catch this obvious typo? Clearly it should have read: "Because of Baldwin's Communiist leanings ..."

35 posted on 06/03/2005 11:36:34 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: LittleAlex

Your response sounds like my son, Alex. When I tell Alex something suprising, he raises his eyebrows and says either "Are you serious?" or "You've GOT to be KIDDING me."

Your logic isn't quite as sound as his.

He's 5.

Paul


36 posted on 06/03/2005 11:37:28 AM PDT by spacewarp (Visit the American Patriot Party and stay a while. http://www.patriotparty.us)
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To: LittleAlex

It's the concept that everything is some shade of grey.

No. There IS evil in this world. The 19 hijackers on 9/11 were truly evil. The ACLU is truly evil. Saddam Insane is truly evil. There are a LOT of evil things in this world, and you don't seem willing or able to handle that. Why? Would it offend your sensibilities to accept that there is evil in the world?

Paul


37 posted on 06/03/2005 11:40:02 AM PDT by spacewarp (Visit the American Patriot Party and stay a while. http://www.patriotparty.us)
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To: LittleAlex; Congressman Billybob
The disdain for the ACLU ranks along the disgust for lawyers in general.

Until, of course, the moment you are in need of them.

However much you may dislike them, their ability to protect those who have no voice is the true purpose of lawyers.

Unfortunately, there are too few lawyers who have the willingness or experience to engage in the constitutional issues involved.

Partly, of course, because it doesn't pay.

I, for one, am seriously seeking involvement of the ACLU on my little island. This place is worse than 'bama in the fifties. And if ANYONE on freerepublic believes state action without Federal oversight is a good thing, perhaps I should rethink my involvement..

38 posted on 06/03/2005 11:41:54 AM PDT by Experiment 6-2-6 (Meega, Nala Kweesta! It appears that SABERTOOTH got himself suspended. Again. ????)
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To: b.crinton

Anybody who still thinks the ACLU promotes the American Constitution or genuine Civil Liberties is nuts, perverse or stupid!


39 posted on 06/03/2005 11:44:29 AM PDT by Gritty ("The ACLU is the Taliban of American liberal secularism - Rees Lloy, former ACLU attorney)
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To: melancholy

Hmmm. I don't really subscribe to any one political party, so these attacks are unwarranted.

I agree with republicans on tax issues, education issues, social security, and some crime issues. I agree with democrats on civil liberties, open government, and freedom of speech. Where does that put me?

Why berate me?


40 posted on 06/03/2005 11:46:27 AM PDT by LittleAlex
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To: LittleAlex
Some may wish to berate. I wish to discuss issues.

You say: I agree with democrats on civil liberties, open government, and freedom of speech.

Please define each and state why you believe Democrats are better purveyors of said values, as opposed to Republicans, Libertarians, et al.?

41 posted on 06/03/2005 11:51:13 AM PDT by derheimwill (Love is a person, not an emotion.)
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To: b.crinton
American Communist Lawyers Union, Now that's a good one but I refer them this way.

the Union that takes Liberties with Civil America
42 posted on 06/03/2005 11:52:40 AM PDT by glaseatr (God Bless, My Nephew, SGT Adam Estep 2nd Bat, 5th Cav reg died Thursday April 29, 2004 Baghdad Iraq)
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To: Experiment 6-2-6
The ACLU is doing SOME good work regarding privacy rights in the new technological age. I do think it is important to fight creation of large databases for tracking and identifying every citizen regardless of criminal offense. The ACLU has make some inroads into curbing the TSA in their ill-conceived policies of screening randomly/stupidly rather that screening those most demographically or actually connected with "terrorist" activities.

-Alex
43 posted on 06/03/2005 11:53:34 AM PDT by LittleAlex
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To: LittleAlex
I agree with democrats on civil liberties, open government, and freedom of speech. Where does that put me?

Sooooooooo, Republicans/Conservatives are NOT for civil liberties and freedom of speech? That makes you a troll!

Although the administration may have been misled concerning certain facts, it appears that facts that did not support the stated policy were either ignored or misrepresented.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1415539/posts?page=86#86

Read and learn about where you are............Here are all your pals...errr...sorry, the other side quotes and their agreement on the FACTS which they blame Bush for!

Hope that will answer your questions!

44 posted on 06/03/2005 11:56:06 AM PDT by melancholy (Quiz: Name ONE country, other than the USA, that doesn’t control its borders.)
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To: derheimwill
I will certainly concede that the ACLU supports democratic party issues for the most part. I don't know what information to extrapolate from that fact.

Well, let's see.

Civil liberties:
I think it is okay to burn an American flag, so long as you don't burn MY American flag.

Open government:
The ACLU believes that the Freedom of Information Act is a good tool to peer into the working of our government. I agree.

Freedom of Speech:
Some Republicans have, recently, been known to attempt to curtail criticism of executive policy for various reasons (wartime, patriotism, etc) but I think that it should always be okay to criticize policy. My friends kept telling me to shut up when I was complaining about Clinton's little "Wag the Dog" adventure in Kosovo. They also are tired of hearing me complain about Iraq policy.

-Alex
45 posted on 06/03/2005 12:00:13 PM PDT by LittleAlex
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To: melancholy

Modern conservatives are obviously in favor of civil liberties protection and free speech, but I favor the democratic approach to these issues at this moment.

The democratic party has shortcomings surrounding monetary issues, so i favor the conservative party on those matters.

Does that make sense? I really do want to be understood.

-Alex


46 posted on 06/03/2005 12:04:13 PM PDT by LittleAlex
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To: LittleAlex
Alex, you are seriously mis guided in your attempts to defend the ACLU for ANYTHING it has done.

THey are the single most un-American, racist and restrictive organization in America (possibly with the exception of the Greens).

They are not FOR Liberty but the repression of liberty.
47 posted on 06/03/2005 12:05:08 PM PDT by SolidRedState (E Pluribus Funk --- (Latin taglines are sooooo cool! Don't ya think?))
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To: LittleAlex

Please don't: concede points I haven't made - that's called changing the subject.

Please do: answer the question.


48 posted on 06/03/2005 12:05:48 PM PDT by derheimwill (Love is a person, not an emotion.)
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To: LittleAlex
But their stance on the second amendment wipes out any good that they might have done and then some. And that's before we tally their universal, no exceptions stand on Christian culture in American public life.

The second amendment is America's first freedom. Anyone who fails to understand this is a political liability waiting to happen. The ACLU actively works against the second amendment. They're forging our chains as we speak.

49 posted on 06/03/2005 12:07:18 PM PDT by John Filson
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To: b.crinton
You have to admit, it is very clever. Organization that proclaims itself as defendant of Civil Rights. These two words in America would protect you like a magic shield behind which you can do anything you want.
50 posted on 06/03/2005 12:08:43 PM PDT by Neocon Shavuz
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