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Kerry Makes His Military, Medical File Available (O'Neil says it is Incomplete! GO O'Neil GO!!)
LA Times ^ | 6/8/05

Posted on 06/08/2005 7:32:28 AM PDT by areafiftyone

WASHINGTON — All through last year's presidential race, Vietnam-era critics of Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) charged that he was trying to hide something by refusing to authorize the public release of his entire military and medical file.

On Tuesday, Kerry provided access to his complete records. The long-awaited documents contained no bombshells, and his enemies still were not satisfied.

The 180-page sheaf of medal commendations, officer's fitness reports and medical entries released under federal guidelines by Kerry's Senate office provided a few new nuggets of information about his 1968 to 1969 stint as a Swift boat commander during the Vietnam War.

There was one page from a January 1969 officer evaluation that appeared to back Kerry's claims that he had been well-rated by his superiors. During the heat of the 2004 campaign, some members of a group of anti-Kerry Navy veterans suggested that the then-missing document might provide a damning assessment of his wartime role.

Kerry said in a statement Tuesday that he had provided "unprecedented access" to his military and medical records during the campaign "and now months after it ended." In releasing the file, he said, "the facts speak for themselves and as these records prove, once again the right wing is wrong."

But Kerry's reluctance to provide easy access to records that buttressed his war resume remains one of the more puzzling aspects of his campaign strategy.

Pollsters and political scientists who have studied the race said that Kerry might have left himself vulnerable by reacting too slowly to criticism by pro-Bush veterans and their insistent calls for public access to all of his records. Kerry's move to release the file now, observers said, could inoculate him from similar pressure if he decided to run again in 2008.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


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1 posted on 06/08/2005 7:32:28 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone

Did anyone think for a second that Kerry would release his full file?


2 posted on 06/08/2005 7:32:58 AM PDT by RushCrush (Never give in! Never, never, never, never! Never yield in any way great or small.)
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To: areafiftyone
"If he made a true universal release of his records and not through selective journalists, maybe we could get to the records that would answer some of these questions," O'Neill said

John Fraud Kerry once again being supported by the MSM...

3 posted on 06/08/2005 7:35:49 AM PDT by frogjerk
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To: areafiftyone
You’ve got to admire a fellow who “sees a room full of wealthy widows as ‘a target-rich environment.’” ---Annie Coulter

******

Remember this???

Swift Geese Veterans for Truth ----- http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1255054/posts

4 posted on 06/08/2005 7:36:00 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Sounds of laughter, shades of life are ringing through my open ears exciting and inviting me)
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To: areafiftyone
last year the Navy said that there were about 100 pages of his records that were still sealed... how many pages were released this time...??? hhhmmmmm....
5 posted on 06/08/2005 7:38:06 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: areafiftyone
If BS were concrete, John Kerry would be an Interstate Highway .......... with potholes.
6 posted on 06/08/2005 7:38:12 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Sounds of laughter, shades of life are ringing through my open ears exciting and inviting me)
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To: beyond the sea

Annie is priceless. Thank you!


7 posted on 06/08/2005 7:40:13 AM PDT by hershey
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To: RushCrush

Apparently the LA Times thinks so.


8 posted on 06/08/2005 7:41:09 AM PDT by alnick (Rice 2005: We've only just begun to see what Freedom can achieve.)
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To: areafiftyone

Kerry's Dept of Sanitization hsd been working at full capacity!!


9 posted on 06/08/2005 7:41:41 AM PDT by 26lemoncharlie ('Cuntas haereses tu sola interemisti in universo mundo!')
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To: areafiftyone
The long-awaited documents contained no bombshells, and his enemies still were not satisfied.

So now the fact Bush's academic records proves he is smarter than Kerry the long awaited documents contain no bombshells? ROTFL!! Kerry is a dunce and we, his enemies, are very, very, very satisfied because we knew Kerry was a dummy before they didn't know.

10 posted on 06/08/2005 7:42:06 AM PDT by hflynn
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To: areafiftyone

Reporting for doody!"

11 posted on 06/08/2005 7:43:12 AM PDT by EdHallick ("KAAAAAAAAAAHN!" - Capt. James T. Kirk)
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To: areafiftyone
Pollsters and political scientists who have studied the race said that Kerry might have left himself vulnerable by reacting too slowly to criticism by pro-Bush veterans and their insistent calls for public access to all of his records.

Not all of the Swifties were pro-Bush. In fact I believe Paul O'Neil said he was a Democrat. The Swifties said all along this was not about supporting President Bush but to bring Kerry's true military service history out in the open.

12 posted on 06/08/2005 7:44:59 AM PDT by sydbas
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To: hershey
I just wish she'd gain some weight........ either that or come over for dinner more often!

;-)

13 posted on 06/08/2005 7:45:13 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Sounds of laughter, shades of life are ringing through my open ears exciting and inviting me)
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To: sydbas

O'Neill said he would have voted for John Edwards [shudder].


14 posted on 06/08/2005 7:47:19 AM PDT by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: RushCrush
"But David Wade, a Kerry spokesman, said that the request to Navy Personnel Command to release documents extended to all government record repositories."

This does nothing to address whether the information was either received by Kerry or if he in fact released what was sent him. This is typical left wing parsing.

15 posted on 06/08/2005 7:48:23 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: All
Kerry's Christmas in Cambodia Explained

16 posted on 06/08/2005 7:48:23 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: EdHallick

EWWWWWWWWWWWWW! That is one Ugly guy!


17 posted on 06/08/2005 7:49:06 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: RushCrush

....Did anyone think for a second that Kerry would release his full file?
.....

"Sandy Burgler, can we take a look in your undershorts???"


18 posted on 06/08/2005 7:49:59 AM PDT by aShepard
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To: aShepard

Is the DD214 available for review? That's really the most critical document.


19 posted on 06/08/2005 7:51:34 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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To: Nick Danger; Chieftain

FYI


20 posted on 06/08/2005 7:51:44 AM PDT by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: areafiftyone

LOVEY?! My permanent record shows that George Bush is smarter than me! Will you buy me a new $8,000 bicycle to make me feel better?


21 posted on 06/08/2005 7:51:46 AM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: areafiftyone
But Kerry's reluctance to provide easy access to records that buttressed his war resume remains one of the more puzzling aspects of his campaign strategy.

The LA Times is not very good at solving puzzles, is it?

22 posted on 06/08/2005 7:58:23 AM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Recall Barbara Boxer)
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To: MACVSOG68; upchuck

Thought you might be interested in this.


23 posted on 06/08/2005 8:00:05 AM PDT by Peach
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To: beyond the sea
You’ve got to admire a fellow who “sees a room full of wealthy widows as ‘a target-rich environment.’” ---Annie Coulter

Rules????

24 posted on 06/08/2005 8:04:02 AM PDT by Christian4Bush ("So...according to the UN, weapons that never existed are missing...again!" -Rush Limbaugh)
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To: areafiftyone
Some other discussion links:

BeldarBlog: Kranish and the Boston Globe should post Kerry's records for public review

SwiftVets Forum: Kerry allows Navy release of military, medical records

SwiftVets Forum: KERRY SIGNS STANDARD FORM 180?

Well, at least we now know why it took so long for Kerry
to "sign" the 180. He needed to arrange a carefully
choreographed roll-out of selected information.
25 posted on 06/08/2005 8:05:43 AM PDT by Boundless
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To: RushCrush

Do you have any bridges for sale?


26 posted on 06/08/2005 8:07:33 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: areafiftyone

from the article:

"...O'Neill said. "If there were orders, for example, that sent him to Cambodia, they should be in his file."

"Navy archives are sometimes incomplete..."

The LATimes is trying to playdown O'Neill's statement that several significant items were not included in what Kerry released. But then, only two paragraphs later, the LATimes notes:

"...Correspondence from Navy officials reveals that soon after leaving Vietnam, Kerry took pains to make sure that all his wartime commendations were documented in his military file..."

Sounds to me like the records should be complete.


27 posted on 06/08/2005 8:09:01 AM PDT by kidd
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To: areafiftyone

Bump for later!


28 posted on 06/08/2005 8:09:50 AM PDT by PilloryHillary
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To: areafiftyone

Sounds like the LATimes has seen this new set of records and O'Neill has perhaps seen them. Are they posted anywhere?


29 posted on 06/08/2005 8:13:01 AM PDT by bjc (Check the data!!)
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To: areafiftyone

Basically, they wanted to hide that FACT that Kerry was an idiot back at Yale. I say an "idiot", because if Bush is an idiot, then surely someone as supposedly smart as Kerry would have gotten better grades than him, right?...RIGHT?!


30 posted on 06/08/2005 8:17:09 AM PDT by Paradox (Never mind me, I thought this was another porn thread...)
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To: areafiftyone
, the reason Kerry did not release his records was because they contained his college grades at Yale.

These clearly showed that he had lower grades than W. The hypocricy is that the media portrayed himself as an intellectual while claiming W was an intellectual zero.

31 posted on 06/08/2005 8:18:06 AM PDT by squirt-gun
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To: areafiftyone

If I could ask only one question of Kranish, I would ask, 'What was Kerry's status between 1970 when he left the military and after Carter's Amnesty in 1979 when his discharge was dated?'


32 posted on 06/08/2005 8:22:52 AM PDT by blanknoone (Steyn: "The Dems are all exit and no strategy" After the judges fiasco, I have to change this.)
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To: areafiftyone
"Kerry said in a statement Tuesday that he had provided "unprecedented access" to his military and medical records during the campaign "and now months after it ended."

Those are the key words. John Fraud Kerry is controling what is seen through limited access via select media.

I told you he never released his full file. Until this compulsive liar authorizes full unfettered access to his complete millitary file to an honest media personality, (preferably to someone like Rush Limbaugh) he has NOT signed form 180.

33 posted on 06/08/2005 8:26:30 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: squirt-gun

If my grades at UC Berkeley (ranked academically higher than Yale at the time) in my Freshman year were as low as Kerry's, my sorority house would have kicked me out, and my parents would have moved me home lock, stock, and barrel. 4 Ds out of 5 courses! Gimme a break!


34 posted on 06/08/2005 8:27:10 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: RushCrush

Dear Mr. Kerry:

If the file you have just released vindicates you, then I ask now, "why didn't you release this information during your campaign? It would have quieted your critics."

nick


35 posted on 06/08/2005 8:34:06 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: nikos1121

Answer:

Because I haven't released my complete file. I requested the file for my own personal viewing, and there are things contained in it that could incriminate me that I will never release on my own free will.

Johnny


36 posted on 06/08/2005 8:37:53 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: afraidfortherepublic

37 posted on 06/08/2005 8:38:42 AM PDT by monkapotamus
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To: Peach
Thanks for the ping, Peach.

Don't expect too much. But it is interesting that O'Neil believes it incomplete. Will follow with much interest, as I think Kerry still feels competitive for '08.

38 posted on 06/08/2005 8:39:49 AM PDT by MACVSOG68
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To: Nathan Zachary

"Answer:

Because I haven't released my complete file. I requested the file for my own personal viewing, and there are things contained in it that could incriminate me that I will never release on my own free will.

Johnny"


Ah yes, John, that's makes sense. Thank you for your honesty and of course your integrity in this matter. Have a good day.

nick


39 posted on 06/08/2005 8:42:43 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: nikos1121
" According to the Globe, the only previously undisclosed records are commendations from commanding officers. In the words of the great Peggy Lee song, "Is that all there is?" Either Kerry is the world's worst politician, or something is missing from his file.

Exactly. Nothing would have prevented kerry from tooting that horn during the election, unless they were buried in the " these must never be seen" stack and overlooked.

40 posted on 06/08/2005 8:55:31 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: aShepard

OMG!!!!!!!! ROFLMAO


41 posted on 06/08/2005 8:57:02 AM PDT by HarleyLady27 (Prayers ease the heavy burdens of the living....)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Ping!


42 posted on 06/08/2005 9:10:02 AM PDT by MS.BEHAVIN (If it is not right, do not do it; if it is not true, do not say it. Marcus Aurelius)
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To: MACVSOG68

By the way, I just saw your letter to the editor in the newspaper. It was very well written. As you know, I'm pretty conflicted about the judicial deal, but you made good points.


43 posted on 06/08/2005 9:17:23 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
"Kerry told Boston Globe editorial writers and columnists the Standard Form 180 will be sent to the Navy within a few days.

''I have signed it," Kerry said, according to Globe columnist Joan Vennochi, who noted the senator added that his staff was ''still going through it" and ''very, very shortly, you will have a chance to see it."

And there lies the rub. At no point has Kerry requested a full, nonredacted release of his military record from the National Personnel Record Center, which has custody of Kerry's complete record.

According to Steve Jones, a principal of Lyon Research, and a respected researcher, who specializes in culling data at the National Archives, the Library of Congress, and various military and museum repositories across the country, Kerry's full file could contain a number of other documents not released on Monday, such as documents that verify his status in the Reserves up to 1978.

But redirecting media and the public away from his full file appears to have been Kerry's plan all along, because he submitted his SF-180 to the wrong entity.

"It doesn't make sense that he is going through the Navy," says Jones. "Applying through the Navy gives this scenario the appearance of a personnel shuffle. Kerry said he applied to the Navy and the Boston Globe said they received his record from the Navy and that makes no sense when the relevant records are at the National Personnel Record Center, a part of the National Archives. By going through the Navy Kerry makes it appear that he is using the Navy to screen his file; he added a layer of bureaucracy when all he needed to do was sign an authorization allowing a third party to look at his record at the NPRC."

What is the difference between the Navy and the NPRC?

The Navy, which created the documents to begin with, is legally obligated to protect the privacy of the veteran. If, as many conspiracy theorists have posited, negative material was expunged from Kerry's file, the Navy could most likely only include the final version of a document. For example, if an individual were to have a received a less than honorable discharge, but were to have gained a full, honorable discharge some years later, only the honorable discharge order might appear in the Navy file, while all of the individual's documents might be in the NPRC file in St. Louis, Mo.

Jones, who has worked extensively at the NPRC and the National Archives, says that were Kerry to sign an SF-180 and authorize a third party full access to his NPRC records, more fodder would likely be found. "There is no way to know what is in his file unless an independent party looks at the file at the NPRC," says Jones.

Kerry true to form, continues his sharades. His whole life is one big lie.

44 posted on 06/08/2005 9:28:08 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: areafiftyone

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418899/posts

From powerline blog. How it was done - only part of his records released.


45 posted on 06/08/2005 9:40:13 AM PDT by I still care (America is not the problem - it is the solution..)
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To: beyond the sea

ROTFLOL!!!!!


46 posted on 06/08/2005 10:02:33 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (I - L O V E - my attitude problem!)
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To: areafiftyone

There is no need to impeach Hanoi Kerry from the US Senate

He is there illegally!

WAKEUP AMERICA!

For those who "forgot" what Hanoi Kerry
did in the past read on and learn the truth.

Hanoi Kerry was still a USNR officer while he:
gave false hearsay testimony to Congress
negotiated with the enemy
helped the US lose a war
abetted in the deaths of millions
created a hostile environment for all servicemen

Why is Kerry still in the US Senate?
This is in violation of
U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxiv.html

And the FBI has proof of his treason.

Hanoi Kerry Timeline of a traitor
includes FBI files

May 1970
Kerry and Julia traveled to Paris, France and met with Madame Nguyen Thi Binh, the Foreign Minister of the Provisional Revolutionary Government of Vietnam (PRG), the political wing of the Vietcong, and other Viet Cong and Communist Vietnamese representatives to the Paris peace talks, a trip he now calls a "fact-finding" mission.

(U.S. code 18 U.S.C. 953, declares it illegal for a U.S. citizen to go abroad and negotiate with a foreign power.)

http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html

a) A person charged with absence without leave or missing movement in time of war,
or with any offense punishable by death,
may be tried at any time without limitation.

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj.htm#*%20843.%20ART.%2043.%20STATUTE%20OF%20LIMITATIONS

Distribute these url's!

Links to Anti Kerry sites
212 LINKS
News reports,
Viper's Vietnam Veterans Page

http://members.aol.com/ga1449ga/links/links.html


EXPOSE HANOI KERRY!

MUST SEE WEBSITE!!!!

http://www.kerrystreason.com/index.html

Full details on these url's!

http://stophanoikerry.150m.com

There is a backup site
if the 1st url is unavailable.

http://tonkin.spymac.net/hanoikerry1.html

Did you see this...?
(The 'Kerry's Promise Counter')
http://polipundit.com/index.php?p=6628
Polipundit even tells you how to install it on your own page!

Swift Boat Veteran For Truth John O'Neill Comments on Kerry's 180 'Release'
6/7/05
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418592/posts


47 posted on 06/08/2005 10:05:18 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Be wary of the "Move On" FReepers! They want Hanoi Kerry to get a "free pass" mmmm Wonder Why?)
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To: Peach

Thank you Peach. I absolutely understand your concerns as I've said before. But at least 2 filibusters have ended so far.


48 posted on 06/08/2005 10:25:31 AM PDT by MACVSOG68
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To: areafiftyone

The truth is self evident, despite the L.A. Times attempt at,"See,See-Kerry had nothing to hide!" If Kerry had nothing to hide and no reason to stall until after his records were illegally purged of every charge the Swift Vets brought against him-he would have released his records during the campaign, proving he was in fact,the Mr Wonderful he claimed to be and won the election by a land slide.

The only thing Kerry has revealed is something we already know and are repulsed by. Those with enough clout, money and gall, can turn sh*t into Shinola.

Kerry doesn't shine.........


49 posted on 06/08/2005 10:31:12 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Stranded in a stagnant left bank puddle, the dems screech:" We're mainstream, we're mainstream!")
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To: Christian4Bush
LOL....... I don't know how to post an image.

Sorry.......... but I like the one where she's at the shooting range and her tight abdomen is exposed. Call me a pig.

;-)

50 posted on 06/08/2005 10:36:16 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Sounds of laughter, shades of life are ringing through my open ears exciting and inviting me)
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