Posted on 06/09/2005 11:50:50 AM PDT by Dancing Jane
> So the IRA is encouraged by their religious leaders to kill the Northern Irish?
Strawman arguement. Beneath a Freeper to use such lame tactics.
I haven't seen all of the shows, but I have seen Penn interviewed often enough that he does not strike me as someone who only goes after the "other" point of view...he seems perfectly willing to take on sacred cows close to home.
I think he is funny, clever, offbeat....I may not agree with everything or find everything in good taste, but I can say that about most of my friends and relatives too.
In the past few years, seeBS/Viacom has managed to offend just about everybody. I don't think they much care what their entertainment divisions do anymore.
> I suppose you run a fully functional modern hospice for dying societal rejects in desperately poor countries, though, right?
If I was given millions of dollars to do such a thing, you betcha.
How about a new Crossfire - Ibrahim Hooper vs Bill Donohue?
> You're trying to draw a comparison between Islamic Jihad-style terrorists and the IRA.
ERRR. Another strawman. The statement I originally responded to: "There are no such thing as Catholic terrorists."
Fact is, there are. And there are Protestant terrorists. And Hindu terrorists. Whether they are anything like Jihadis is irrelevant to the point. They are terrorists.
> It was her years of incredible care, work, dedication and sacrifice that drew the attention of the world.
Hmmm...
http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/shields_18_1.html
Mother Teresa's House of Illusions
How She Harmed Her Helpers As Well As Those They 'Helped'
by Susan Shields
"Some years after I became a Catholic, I joined Mother Teresa's congregation, the Missionaries of Charity. I was one of her sisters for nine and a half years, living in the Bronx, Rome, and San Francisco, until I became disillusioned and left in May 1989. As I reentered the world, I slowly began to unravel the tangle of lies in which I had lived. I wondered how I could have believed them for so long. "
Read on at your leisure.
> Atheist socialist bomb-thrower Christopher Hitchens doesn't like Mother Theresa.
He's hardly alone. Former followers of Ma T don;t much care for her either.
http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/shields_18_1.html
"Women from many nations joined Mother Teresa in the expectation that they would help the poor and come closer to God themselves. When I left, there were more than 3,000 sisters in approximately 400 houses scattered throughout the world. Many of these sisters who trusted Mother Teresa to guide them have become broken people. In the face of overwhelming evidence, some of them have finally admitted that their trust has been betrayed, that God could not possibly be giving the orders they hear. It is difficult for them to decide to leave - their self-confidence has been destroyed, and they have no education beyond what they brought with them when they joined. I was one of the lucky ones who mustered enough courage to walk away."
Irrelevant. The issue is that Donohue chooses to cry WAAA WAAA DISCRIMINATION rather than address the substance of the assertions.
> it's a pity he doesn't have more facts to back it up with
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Mother-Theresa#Criticism
Baptisms of the dying
Mother Teresa encouraged members of her order to baptize dying patients, without regard to the individual's religion. In a speech at the Scripps Clinic in California in January 1992, she said: "Something very beautiful... not one has died without receiving the special ticket for St. Peter, as we call it. We call baptism ticket for St. Peter. We ask the person, do you want a blessing by which your sins will be forgiven and you receive God? They have never refused. So 29,000 have died in that one house [in Kalighat] from the time we began in 1952."
Critics have argued that patients were not provided sufficient information to make an informed decision about whether they wanted to be baptized and the theological significance of a Christian baptism.
Some of Mother Teresa's defenders have argued that baptisms are either soul-saving or harmless and hence the criticisms would be pointless (a variant of Pascal's Wager). Simon Leys, in a letter to the New York Review of Books, wrote: "Either you believe in the supernatural effect of this gesture – and then you should dearly wish for it. Or you do not believe in it, and the gesture is as innocent and well-meaningly innocuous as chasing a fly away with a wave of the hand."
Questionable relationships
In 1981, Teresa flew to Haiti to accept the Legion d'Honneur from the right-wing dictator Jean-Claude Duvalier, who, after his ouster, was found to have stolen millions of dollars from the impoverished country. There she said that the Duvaliers "loved their poor", and that "their love was reciprocated".
In 1987 Teresa visited Albania and visited the grave of the former Communist leader Enver Hoxha. Critics said her actions compromised her perceived moral authority through unwise and controversial political associations; however, her supporters defended such associations, saying she had to deal with political realities of the time in order to lobby for her causes. By the time of her death, the Missionaries of Charity had houses in most Communist countries.
Critics also cite the case of Charles Keating, who stole in excess of US$252 million in the Savings and Loan scandal of the 1980s, and who had donated $1.25 million to Mother Teresa's cause. Teresa interceded on his behalf and wrote a letter to the court urging leniency. The district attorney responded in private and asked her to return the money, which she declined.
She also accepted money from the British publisher Robert Maxwell, who, as was later revealed, embezzled UK?450 million from his employees' pension funds. There is no suggestion that she was aware of any theft before accepting the donation in either case; criticism instead focuses on Teresa's plea for leniency in the Keating case, her refusal to return the money, and the lack of media investigations of her relationships to these individuals.
Supporters of Mother Teresa see charges such as those above as clear examples of double-standards and attempts of "guilt by association". They allege that similar standards are not applied to other companies and individuals who have had dealings with Maxwell and Keating, and that the money collected went to use in helping the poor.
Motivation of charitable activities
Christopher Hitchens described Mother Teresa's organization as a cult which promoted suffering and did not help those in need. Hitchens said that Teresa's own words on poverty proved that her intention was not to help people. He quoted Teresa's words at a 1981 press conference in which she was asked: "Do you teach the poor to endure their lot?" She replied: "I think it is very beautiful for the poor to accept their lot, to share it with the passion of Christ. I think the world is being much helped by the suffering of the poor people."
Chatterjee added that the public image of Mother Teresa as a "helper of the poor" was misleading, and that only a few hundred people are served by even the largest of the homes. According to a Stern magazine report about Mother Teresa, the (Protestant) Assembly of God charity serves 18,000 meals daily in Calcutta, many more than all the Mission of Charity homes together.
Chatterjee alleged that many operations of the order engage in no charitable activity at all but instead use their funds for missionary work. He stated, for example, that none of the eight facilities that the Missionaries of Charity run in Papua New Guinea have any residents in them, being purely for the purpose of converting local people to Catholicism.
Mother Teresa and her possible defenders apparently did not feel a need to directly answer most of these allegations. Some defenders of the order argue that missionary activity was the central part of Teresa's calling.
Quality of medical care
In 1991, Dr. Robin Fox, editor of the British medical journal The Lancet visited the Home for Dying Destitutes in Calcutta (now Kolkata) and described the medical care the patients received as "haphazard". He observed that sisters and volunteers, some of whom had no medical knowledge, had to make decisions about patient care, because of the lack of doctors in the hospice. Dr. Fox specifically held Teresa responsible for conditions in this home, and observed that her order did not distinguish between curable and incurable patients, so that people who could otherwise survive would be at risk of dying from infections and lack of treatment.
Fox conceded that the regimen he observed included cleanliness, the tending of wounds and sores, and kindness, but he noted that the sisters' approach to managing pain was "disturbingly lacking". The formulary at the facility Fox visited lacked strong analgesics which he felt clearly separated Mother Teresa's approach from the hospice movement. There have been a series of other reports documenting inattention to medical care in the order's facilities. Similar points of view have also been expressed by some former volunteers who worked for Teresa's order. Mother Teresa herself referred to the facilities as "Houses of the Dying".
In contrast to the conditions at her homes, Mother Theresa sought medical treatment for herself at renowned medical clinics in the United States, Europe, and India, drawing charges of hypocrisy from critics such as Hitchens.
Destination of donations
It has been alleged by former employees of Mother Teresa's order that Teresa refused to authorize the purchase of medical equipment, and that donated money was instead transferred to the Vatican Bank for general use, even if it was specifically earmarked for charitable purposes. See Missionaries of Charity for a detailed discussion of these allegations. Mother Teresa did not disclose her order's financial situation except where she was required to do so by law.
We don't censor content, it's that simple. The answer to offensive speech is more speech, not suppression.
yes, thank you, because we'll take her word over the witness of millions.
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