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Root Causes, Homosexual Consequences
People Can Change ^ | 2004

Posted on 06/10/2005 4:10:52 PM PDT by scripter

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To: scripter

BTTT


51 posted on 06/11/2005 11:34:33 AM PDT by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: scripter
If same-sex attraction really is a result of environment and confusion as we think it is, there really is no such thing as signs of homosexuality.

BTTT

52 posted on 06/11/2005 2:55:07 PM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (''Go though life with a Bible in one hand and a Newspaper in the other" -- Billy Graham)
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To: scripter; gidget7; little jeremiah; EdReform

I've heard this guy speak a few times. As a former homosexual is a MUST for this topic:

http://www.sbministries.org/

and

http://stephenbennett.blogspot.com/


53 posted on 06/12/2005 10:54:32 AM PDT by worldclass (www.massright.com)
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54 posted on 06/12/2005 12:23:42 PM PDT by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: scripter
Over 40 testimonials of ex-gays.
55 posted on 06/12/2005 12:54:35 PM PDT by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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Mike Haley's Great Escape from homosexuality.
56 posted on 06/12/2005 12:55:52 PM PDT by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter
Confession from a former homosexual
57 posted on 06/12/2005 12:56:27 PM PDT by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter
Eagles Wings Testimonials
58 posted on 06/12/2005 12:57:14 PM PDT by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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...it was a common experience for us to over-identify with or become overly dependent on our mothers. ... Mom often became our confidant and mentor instead of Dad. But Mom could never show us how to act and think like a man. So it was common for us to view maleness from a woman's perspective instead of a man's. We inadvertently adopted a woman's view of the world.

That makes a lot of sense.

...as children or youth, they had been sexually abused by an older or more powerful person. Usually it was by a male, and in those cases, 96% considered the abuse to have contributed to their developing SSA feelings.

But this makes NO sense. Why would they be attracted to the gender that abused them? You'd think it would be the opposite.

59 posted on 06/12/2005 1:25:52 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp

Because molestation of boys often involves sexual pleasure for them as well. It's molestation/seduction.

It's a lot easier for boys to experience sexual pleasure even while being molested than girls. It's crude, but it's the nature of the beast.


60 posted on 06/12/2005 11:23:01 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it.)
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp
But this makes NO sense. Why would they be attracted to the gender that abused them? You'd think it would be the opposite.

Please see this

Additionally, (I read this somewhere long ago and can't remember the source but it sure makes sense to me (Stockholm syndrome?)), the abused ends up with a lot of shame and guilt (what did I do to cause this to happen) and as a way of dealing with that shame and guilt you identify with your attacker. (well maybe since my attacker likes boys then it's really not as bad as I thought and maybe I'm supposed to like boys too). Oddly enough this works for both boys being molested by men, which we've seen leads to male homosexual attraction and girls being molested by men, which leads to female homosexual attraction.

61 posted on 06/14/2005 8:10:12 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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bttt


62 posted on 06/26/2005 6:41:58 PM PDT by Coleus (God doesn't like moderates, Rev 3:15-16)
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To: latina4dubya
We too are homeschoolers with two boys. Our younger son, Vanya, we adopted from an orphanage in Kamchatka, Russian Far East.

He came to us with some gender identity confusion, for several reasons. (1) There were NO adult males at the orphanage, EVER (even all the doctors, truck drivers, etc that he encountered were all women) (2) He was delicate for medical reasons (endless series of ear and upper respiratory infections) and had a club foot, so he couldn't do all that bumble-puppy rough-and-tumble play, never "ran with the pack" with other boys; (3) meanwhile, he was cute and funny (darling little Asian amongst all the other orphans, who were Slavic Russians) and the girls always liked it when he played with them---

So when he came to us --- he was almost five --- he always wanted to dress up like a girl, he wanted to be the girl character in the video game (Princess Peach instead of Super Mario or whatever), he displayed distractingly feminine mannerisms, like a sashaying, hip-swaying walk, a kind of toss of his head and flirtatious fluttering of his eyelashes; even sometimes a high, simpering tone of voice that really bothered me.

My husband and I consulted some of the books cited by other FReepers above, about affirming and strengthening a boy's gender identity. We made sure he got (and gets) plenty of daddy-time with Mr. Don-o. We encouraged him to (literally) run in packs with his fellow home-schooling guy friends --- fortunately we're in the kind of neighborhood that boys can safely "run around" in.

As for the feminine dressing and the mannerisms, my husband and I thought it wisest just to let that pass without any comment one way or the other (except that I forbade him to get into my closet and flounce around in my blouses and skirts, etc.!) Instead, we accentuated the positive: encouraged him to wear Dad's hats, told him how great he looked in his older brother's T-shirts (even when they came down to his knees) etc.

Now he's 13 and he seems to be doing fine. A kind, comical, affectionate and sensitive personality; no more flouncing, simpering and sashaying; more interested in Marc Antony's sword and armor than in Cleopatra's flowing frocks; just a happy, XY-and-proud-of-it, testosterone-nuanced boy-o-boy. Good heavens, we're thankful for that.

63 posted on 10/07/2005 10:29:41 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Veritatis Gender.)
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To: KC_for_Freedom

Rule #5: Never Tell Your Mom Where You Drink.


64 posted on 10/07/2005 10:37:26 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways "Guero")
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To: Red Sea Swimmer

>Homosexuality, later in life is the result of trauma in
>childhood.

Both the lesbians I befriended at Berkeley were molested by their brothers.


65 posted on 10/08/2005 12:49:42 AM PDT by ROTB
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To: scripter

Ping - interesting read.


66 posted on 10/27/2008 10:07:53 PM PDT by diamond6 (Is SIDS preventable? www.Stopsidsnow.com)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

An old thread for certain!~ I was led to this by a couple other threads, read your fascinating post and wondered how you were making out with your son four years later?


67 posted on 02/05/2010 10:36:21 PM PST by warsaw44
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Thank you for your concern. Without wanting to babble on about too much of a private nature: When he got to be about 14, Vanya hit a streak where he was was quite miserable, depressed, and confused, and was being verbally hassled by other guys. At this point he started calling himself "gay."

His level of smouldering (sometimes fiery) misery was frightening to his dad and me, since we'd always rejoiced in his sunny nature. We persuaded him to see a counselor for awhile, paid for by our insurance plan, which seemed to help: I'm pretty sure the counselor focused on the depression and anger rather than "sexuality-as-a-problem" per se.

The counselor died suddenly and unexpectedly (heart attack). Sad and a painful jolt.

We encouraged Vanya to see another counselor, but choices were limited: the two who were on the insurance provider list in our town both seemed instantly unsatisfactory to him, and he didn't want to go back to either one of them after the initial interview (and we were OK with that: both of them actually seemed rather dubious. Actually, one of them seemed more than a little flaky.)

He tried free counseling at Catholic Social Services, but their counselor on staff is a woman, and Vanya said he didn't think a woman counselor would be of much help, an insight we understood and supported.

So that was the end of counseling.

He seems to have moved past the miserable and depressed part on his own. Thanks be to God. That's about all I can say at this point. He has friends (girls, sisterly it seems, and no male friends that I know of, but what can one say?), he's doing OK at school, and I don't question him about sexual feelings. I feel strongly bound to respect his privacy.

Whether he's "gay" or not, he is happier, for which we thank God.

His older brother Ben, our Marine, will be back from Iraq in two weeks, and I wonder whether he embodies the exotic-unattainable-confident-hunky-masculine-ideal which makes Vanya feel like he'll never make the grade. He doesn't talk about it. I just wonder. Your prayers would be appreciated.

68 posted on 02/06/2010 6:30:23 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." - Philo of Alexandria)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
....the two [counselors] who were on the insurance provider list ....actually seemed rather dubious. Actually, one of them seemed more than a little flaky.)

Probably why they made the list -- the carrier's green-eyeshade men's ideal counselor, not making it but hey, he's cheap.

Did you ever look into the possibility of surgery or orthotics for Vanya's club foot? It was the source of the problem (imho). That and addressing him by the more formal version of his name, Ivan (pron. as in Russian), instead of the diminutive form, Vanya (which in the US is sometimes given to girls -- or in a case I knew, to a female tabby cat). Surgery plus simultaneous name change => helpful?

Best wishes to you all.

69 posted on 08/02/2010 11:07:04 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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