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Fallacies About the Schiavo Case
The New American ^ | 04.18.05 | Thomas R. Eddlem

Posted on 06/11/2005 5:33:10 PM PDT by Coleus

The case for starving and dehydrating Terri Schiavo to death was built on hypocrisy and deception.

The culture of death revealed its face in the propaganda campaign for Terri Schiavo’s demise. Perhaps the most noteworthy fact of the entire ordeal, other than the killing of an innocent woman by starvation, was how thoroughly the American people were lied to throughout the entire affair.

Consider, for instance, the major media claim that death by starvation and dehydration is painless. According to the New York Times: “Patients who are terminally ill and conscious and refuse food and drink at the end of life say that they do not generally experience pangs of hunger, since their bodies do not need much food.” The Times quoted Dr. Sean Morrison of the Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York as saying: “They generally slip into a peaceful coma. It’s very quiet, it’s very dignified, it’s very gentle.” The Los Angeles Times quoted another expert, Dr. Perry G. Fine of the National Hospice and Palliative Care Organization, as saying of starvation: “There’s nothing unpleasant about it — in fact it can be quite blissful and euphoric.... It’s a very smooth, graceful and elegant way to go.”

Of course, one does not have to be an “expert” to recognize that this distorted view of death by starvation and dehydration defies common sense. If starvation is not all that bad, then why should we be concerned about the plight of famine victims? And if Terri Schiavo was not experiencing pain, then why was she given morphine? Revealingly, the same forces that supported withholding food and water from Terri did not criticize giving her morphine to control the pain they say she did not have. Moreover, why would an IV drip for hydration be deemed excessive while an IV morphine drip is not?

Those who argue that Terri Schiavo could not feel pain should consider the terrible ordeal of Kate Adamson. Mrs. Adamson suffered a severe stroke in 1995 that left her totally paralyzed, but she has since experienced what has been called a “miraculous recovery.” Mrs. Adamson, who opposed the removal of Terri’s feeding tube, recounted for THE NEW AMERICAN how she was aware of what was happening when her own feeding tube was removed for an eight-day period because her digestive system (unlike Terri’s) had shut down. “I was screaming on the inside: ‘I don’t want to die,’ ‘feed me,’ ‘I want to live,’” Adamson recalled. “I could feel everything and do nothing, as though I was suspended in a black hole. When the feeding tube was removed, I felt it being ripped from my body.”

Here are a few other egregious lies propagated by liberals to justify Terri’s death by starvation and dehydration:

• Liberals claim that the decision of a husband to kill his wife by denying her food and water is a “private matter.” Since when has a husband killing a wife been considered a private matter under our laws?

• Terri’s husband Michael claims that Terri would have wanted her feeding tube removed rather than live in the state she was in. But Terri did not put this wish in writing, and others who knew her say that she would not have wished to be killed. Moreover, Michael did not bring to light Terri’s supposed wishes until seven years after her injury.

• Advocates of the culture of death claim that they were allowing Terri to “die with dignity” by removing her feeding tube. Implicit in that statement is the notion that a slow death by starvation and dehydration is dignified and that Terri Schiavo retained the mental capacity to understand and agree with this. Yet the very liberals advocating this point of view also claim that Terri was in a persistent vegetative state and that she had no self-awareness.

• Pro-death forces also claim that Terri Schiavo was on life support and was being kept alive through extraordinary means. But a feeding tube is not life support in the traditional sense. Also, foregoing extraordinary means to keep a dying patient living longer sounds rational, but providing food and water is not an extraordinary means, and Terri was not dying. In fact, Terri’s death resulted from the deliberate denial of food and water; it was not a natural consequence of her medical condition.

• The major media treat as a given that Terri Schiavo was in a persistent vegetative state (PVS). Though a PVS diagnosis does not change the morality of not providing food and water, it is still worth pointing out that some medical authorities disagreed with this diagnosis. In the April 4 issue of THE NEW AMERICAN, we quoted Dr. Richard Neubauer, medical director of the Ocean Hyperbaric Neurologic Center in Ft. Lauderdale, as stating in an affidavit that Terri was neither “brain dead” nor in a “persistent vegetative state.”

• Leftist politicians and media outlets criticized the Republican Congress and the president for enacting a law aimed at saving Terri’s life and accused the Republicans of “practicing medicine without a license.” Since when has food and water been considered medicine? Aside from that, the same leftist politicians want the government to run the entire health care system. (If they succeed in accomplishing that objective, it would not be surprising to find the government rationing care and determining who lives and who dies.)

The Left is at least correct in saying that the congressional action was unconstitutional. But since when has the Left worried about violating states’ rights? During the congressional debate, Rep. Jim Davis (D-Fla.) lamented even the idea that Congress would consider disregarding Florida state laws. “This Congress is on the verge of telling states and judges and juries that their laws, their decisions do not matter,” he warned. However, Rep. Davis was notably silent when, earlier in the same month, the U.S. Supreme Court struck down Florida’s law permitting the execution of 17-year-old murderers. Similarly, Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.), who bemoaned that Congress would “forego any pretense of federalism” in the Terri Schiavo case, is a militant supporter of the Roe v. Wade decision that struck down state anti-abortion laws throughout America.

Using states’ rights as a pretext, what the Left is really saying is that they want the particular decision of a Florida state judge to stand. And they want it to stand because they believe in a culture of death. Just as they support abortion, they also support euthanasia, and they see in the Terri Schiavo tragedy a test case that will help make more commonplace the elimination of supposedly unwanted and useless human beings. In truth, the judge’s decision should not have stood, and the remedy should have (and could have) come from the legislature and governor of the state of Florida.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: dehydration; eddlem; emotionalhysteria; emotionallydisabled; euthanasia; mediabias; newamerican; starvation; stilldead; swindlers; terrischiavo; thomasreddlem
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1 posted on 06/11/2005 5:33:10 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; annalex; ...
Defying the Death Culture (Stoke Victim Nearly Suffered the fate of Terri Schiavo)
2 posted on 06/11/2005 5:35:39 PM PDT by Coleus ("Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isiah 5:20-21)
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To: zahal724

ping


3 posted on 06/11/2005 5:40:11 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (Some say what's good for others, the others make the goods; it's the meddlers against the peddlers)
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bump


4 posted on 06/11/2005 5:40:35 PM PDT by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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To: Jim Robinson; Brad's Gramma; Pegita; floriduh voter; Ohioan from Florida; tutstar; Pepper777; ...

Life-and-truth BTTT.


5 posted on 06/11/2005 5:49:10 PM PDT by STARWISE ( You get the govt. you deserve. CALL YOUR CONGRESS CRITTERS OFTEN -U.S. CONGRESS: 1-877-762-8762)
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To: Coleus

Terri's death is one of the most unfortunate and brazenly apalling events of the new millenium thus far in our country (not as high as 9/11, but above Michael Moore's rise to liberal prominence).


6 posted on 06/11/2005 5:52:12 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic (If Benedict Arnold were alive today, he'd be pardoned.)
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To: Coleus; mickie

I was just talking about Terri yesterday to my mother. I cannot stand to read anything about her and her botched case, she was killed, plain and simple. I am still outraged!


7 posted on 06/11/2005 5:54:24 PM PDT by MVV (Compassionate Conservative!)
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To: Coleus

More proof that the National Socialist Democrats can get away with murder and laugh about it all the way to book deals.


8 posted on 06/11/2005 5:59:51 PM PDT by crz
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To: MVV

9 posted on 06/11/2005 6:01:05 PM PDT by Salamander
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To: Coleus

Kate Adamson did an incredible work in helping Americans understand this from the patient perspective. Her service in telling her story was so important. She is articulate and one of the few sources of truth in this whole sordid matter. Many thanks to her - and to the wonderful husband who championed her cause.


10 posted on 06/11/2005 6:05:15 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Coleus
Another excellent read Coleus.

Thanks

11 posted on 06/11/2005 6:06:29 PM PDT by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants_"Where there is life, there is hope"..Terri Schindler)
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To: Coleus
"Patients who are terminally ill and conscious and refuse food and drink at the end of life say that they do not generally experience pangs of hunger, since their bodies do not need much food."

Of course, one does not have to be an "expert" to recognize that this distorted view of death by starvation and dehydration defies common sense.

If starvation is not all that bad, then why should we be concerned about the plight of famine victims?

I don't think it's valid to compare someone who is terminally ill and conscious (and dying) to Terri Schiavo or to people who are starving because of a famine. Terri wasn't terminally ill and people in the midst of a famine are not refusing to eat.

IMO, the author is comparing apples to oranges.

12 posted on 06/11/2005 6:06:56 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: anniegetyourgun

Now when will the NY Slimes and the MSM tell the world her story? I saw her on the Larry King show and that was it.


13 posted on 06/11/2005 6:11:52 PM PDT by Coleus ("Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isiah 5:20-21)
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To: Coleus

There's pretty good evidence that unborn children feel pain, too, when they are killed in the womb. Certainly this is true of late-term abortions, and probably of fairly early abortions.

The leftists see no harm in doing to people what they would never think of doing to seals or whales.


14 posted on 06/11/2005 6:15:58 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Coleus
“Patients who are terminally ill and conscious and refuse food and drink at the end of life say that they do not generally experience pangs of hunger, since their bodies do not need much food.”

This may actually be true. The problem here is that Terry Schiavo was 'at the end of life' for 15 years. IOW, she was not physically at the end of life.

15 posted on 06/11/2005 6:20:02 PM PDT by nosofar
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To: nosofar
"...she was not physically at the end of life."

You nailed it.

In addition, who are we to say that her mental state was "unacceptable". Just look at that smile.


Terri Schiavo Before dehydration

16 posted on 06/11/2005 6:48:51 PM PDT by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants_"Where there is life, there is hope"..Terri Schindler)
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To: Earthdweller

Terri, we miss you!!

From one who hasn't moved on.


17 posted on 06/11/2005 6:54:05 PM PDT by Lesforlife ("For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb . . ." Psalm 139:13)
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To: Coleus
Since when has food and water been considered medicine?

Just try telling the IRS that you're writing off all your grocery bills as a medical expense.

18 posted on 06/11/2005 7:08:18 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Coleus

Yesterday I read the statement my Archbishop made about Terri's death. He called it euthanasia. I wanted to whack him up side the head for not calling it what it was-murder.

Even though he said it was wrong, and that euthanasia of those in a PVS is always wrong, he gave the impression that it was not the horrific, reprehensible, inhumane, disgusting, and vile act that it was. I was also PO'd he seemed to buy the PVS BS.

Fortunately or unfortunately, I will never have the "Bishop's ear" so I guess he needn't worry about my opinion on his statement.


19 posted on 06/11/2005 7:15:56 PM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: sockmonkey

Write him a letter and straighten him out. He's falling into the MSM and PC trap.


20 posted on 06/11/2005 7:18:29 PM PDT by Coleus ("Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isiah 5:20-21)
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To: Coleus
I'll never get over that our country allowed a disabled innocent woman to be murdered by dehydration.

I will never see this country the same again.

21 posted on 06/11/2005 8:05:30 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Lesforlife
From one who hasn't moved on.

From one who will never forget.

22 posted on 06/11/2005 8:06:58 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: pbrown

Terri Schiavo "unacceptable"

23 posted on 06/11/2005 8:15:17 PM PDT by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants_"Where there is life, there is hope"..Terri Schindler)
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To: Coleus
The major media treat as a given that Terri Schiavo was in a persistent vegetative state (PVS). Though a PVS diagnosis does not change the morality of not providing food and water

PVS is not actually a medical condition.  It is a diagnosis whose sole purpose is to allow nutrition and hydration to be withheld.  By creating this fictitious condition, medical facilities are free to kill patients who are using resources they would prefer to have available to others.  The "diagnosis" avoids legal liability for their actions.
24 posted on 06/11/2005 8:27:28 PM PDT by etlib (No creature without tentacles has ever developed true intelligence)
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To: etlib
You are a very smart person.

I want your address your genealogy and your signature.( To resale for later monetary gain).

I'm not kidding.

25 posted on 06/11/2005 8:34:02 PM PDT by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants_"Where there is life, there is hope"..Terri Schindler)
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To: Coleus

bttt


26 posted on 06/11/2005 8:55:33 PM PDT by clyde asbury (Cuyahoga)
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To: Coleus
Was the autopsy ever released? There was lots of talk about it when this whole issue was hot, but a search of FR returns no hits except those talking about an autopsy that was to be performed. Nothing about results. I find that to be curious.
27 posted on 06/11/2005 9:04:38 PM PDT by zeugma (Democrats are Varelse...)
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To: Future Useless Eater

In the event you have not seen this posted.


28 posted on 06/11/2005 9:08:20 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Coleus

bookmark


29 posted on 06/11/2005 11:42:41 PM PDT by chaosagent (It's all right to be crazy. Just don't let it drive you nuts.)
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later pingout.


30 posted on 06/12/2005 12:09:44 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it.)
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To: Coleus
Humor me ...

• Liberals claim that the decision of a husband to kill his wife by denying her food and water is a “private matter.” Since when has a husband killing a wife been considered a private matter under our laws? [A husband who was living in an adulterous affair yet was granted by a judge the right to have his first wife (Jodi is his second) put down, to free him up for his already under way 'second life' ... a greater miscarraige of the judicial system I cannot easily name.]

• Terri’s husband Michael claims that Terri would have wanted her feeding tube removed rather than live in the state she was in. But Terri did not put this wish in writing, and others who knew her say that she would not have wished to be killed. Moreover, Michael did not bring to light Terri’s supposed wishes until seven years after her injury.[What MS claimed Terri said regarding life support was at least a decade before feeding tubes were redefined as life support, thus to apply some comment made before the change to her life after the change is eggregious wrong and smacks of 'grandfathering euthanasia'.]

• Advocates of the culture of death claim that they were allowing Terri to “die with dignity” by removing her feeding tube. Implicit in that statement is the notion that a slow death by starvation and dehydration is dignified and that Terri Schiavo retained the mental capacity to understand and agree with this. Yet the very liberals advocating this point of view also claim that Terri was in a persistent vegetative state and that she had no self-awareness.[The evil of dehumanizing often requires the one promoting it to claim contradictory assertions ... it's called deceit most foul under other circumstances.]

• Pro-death forces also claim that Terri Schiavo was on life support and was being kept alive through extraordinary means. But a feeding tube is not life support in the traditional sense. [And when Terri was supposed to have made her comments regarding life support, a respirator not a feeding tube was the standard of 'extraordinary life supporting measures'.] Also, foregoing extraordinary means to keep a dying patient living longer sounds rational, but providing food and water is not an extraordinary means, and Terri was not dying. In fact, Terri’s death resulted from the deliberate denial of food and water; it was not a natural consequence of her medical condition. [And that fact of her ordered killing by a probate court judge is why I called her death an execution ... the judge ordered that no one was to try and feed her by mouth or even give her moisture by mouth upon her tongue. THAT is malice aforethought, an ordered execution by a judge not empowered to issue execution orders.]

• The major media treat as a given that Terri Schiavo was in a persistent vegetative state (PVS). Though a PVS diagnosis does not change the morality of not providing food and water, it is still worth pointing out that some medical authorities disagreed with this diagnosis. In the April 4 issue of THE NEW AMERICAN, we quoted Dr. Richard Neubauer, medical director of the Ocean Hyperbaric Neurologic Center in Ft. Lauderdale, as stating in an affidavit that Terri was neither “brain dead” nor in a “persistent vegetative state.”

• Leftist politicians and media outlets criticized the Republican Congress and the president for enacting a law aimed at saving Terri’s life [And the democrat party has signaled their intention to pound the issue for political gain, using the same deceit and outright lies formulated and promoted by their media whoredom ... and no doubt there will be joyous FR members joining in the pounding, regardless of truth or unseemly assuasion.] and accused the Republicans of “practicing medicine without a license.” Since when has food and water been considered medicine? Aside from that, the same leftist politicians want the government to run the entire health care system. (If they succeed in accomplishing that objective, it would not be surprising to find the government rationing care and determining who lives and who dies.)

I am indeed surprised that at least Hildy has not yet jumped on this thread to argue the financial perils of 'keeping the useless eaters alive.'

31 posted on 06/12/2005 12:09:50 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Coleus; All
Crosslinked:

-Useless Eaters vs The Death Cult--

32 posted on 06/12/2005 3:20:38 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: MVV
Mark Fuhrman has a new book due out on June 28th....called Silent Witness.
Things we didn't know about the Terri case. Whenever I think about Terri and how she suffered..........it really makes me ill.
33 posted on 06/12/2005 4:46:34 AM PDT by mickie
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To: Earthdweller; Coleus

The New American ran an article by Professor Rice
years ago predicting events such as Terri's judicial
murder. This was after the Brophy case. I don't own
that issue, and it will be a day or so before I can
post quotes.


34 posted on 06/12/2005 10:04:46 AM PDT by cycjec
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To: STARWISE; FL_engineer; Thinkin' Gal
The Times quoted Dr. Sean Morrison of the Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York as saying:

“They generally slip into a peaceful coma. It’s very quiet, it’s very dignified, it’s very gentle.”

Uh huh, and

"When you say bed, they make that sexual. It's not sexual. We're going to sleep. I tuck them in and put a little like, er, music on and when it's story time I read a book and we go to sleep with the fireplace on. I give them hot milk, you know. We have cookies. It's very charming. It's very sweet. It's what the whole world should do. "

35 posted on 06/12/2005 5:12:04 PM PDT by cyn (it's sarcasm, but jim king really said it.)
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To: MHGinTN
Vintage Hildy can be found here on this thread. She just loves abortion.

How Abortion Hurts Women -- The Hard Proof

36 posted on 06/12/2005 5:55:32 PM PDT by Coleus ("Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isiah 5:20-21)
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To: Coleus; Hildy

I think you forgot to ping Hildy, since you mentioned her.


37 posted on 06/12/2005 5:57:26 PM PDT by .38sw
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To: .38sw

I didn't forget.


38 posted on 06/12/2005 5:58:57 PM PDT by Coleus ("Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isiah 5:20-21)
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To: Coleus

Don't you realize that when you make statement like someone LOVES abortion, it belittles your argument? I guess not.


39 posted on 06/12/2005 6:27:43 PM PDT by Hildy ( The reason a dog has so many friends is that he wags his tail instead of his tongue)
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To: Hildy; .38sw

it belittles your argument? >>

how so? You seem very content with it.


40 posted on 06/12/2005 7:45:24 PM PDT by Coleus ("Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isiah 5:20-21)
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To: Coleus

What a clever response.


41 posted on 06/12/2005 7:58:35 PM PDT by Hildy ( The reason a dog has so many friends is that he wags his tail instead of his tongue)
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To: Hildy

thanks, always have to have the last word, eh?


and you didn't answer my question and statement.


42 posted on 06/12/2005 8:02:28 PM PDT by Coleus ("Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isiah 5:20-21)
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To: Coleus

If you ever made one, I'd answer it. Try again.


43 posted on 06/12/2005 8:04:01 PM PDT by Hildy ( The reason a dog has so many friends is that he wags his tail instead of his tongue)
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To: Hildy

Read post 40


44 posted on 06/12/2005 8:06:20 PM PDT by Coleus ("Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isiah 5:20-21)
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To: All

Fallacies About the Schiavo Case

One fallacy about the Schiavo case is that it was some kind of watershed case about the right to life. It wasn't. It wasn't even about the right to die.

No, the Terri Schiavo case was about who speaks for a person when that person is no longer able to speak for herself.

That is, of course, just my opinion. Your mileage may vary.

45 posted on 06/12/2005 8:13:58 PM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: newgeezer

Like it or not, the Terri Schiavo disaster was also about how much judicial activism has gotten beyond control of the legislatures. A probate judge issued an order of execution and nothing stopped it because various levels of the imperial judiciary chose to protect their turf rather than seek to exercise justice and mercy. When I was a younger man, THAT would have been called a 'miscarriage of Justice' ... but with the current degenracy of the Republic it is the football of political maneuvering. ... And I was all for the U.S. House and Senate issuing the legislation that, sadly, judge Whittemore ignored (as one expects with an activist judiciary protecting their achieved unchecked empowerment).


46 posted on 06/12/2005 8:21:45 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Coleus

The "Culture of Death" spends far more on keeping people alive than any other nation has ever dreamed of. Seventeen percent of our national income is spent on health care. More money than entire nations have in a year. Incomprehensibly vast sums.


47 posted on 06/12/2005 8:26:54 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Coleus
I didn't forget.

Oh. Well, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.

48 posted on 06/12/2005 9:09:01 PM PDT by .38sw
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To: .38sw

Do you always meddle?


49 posted on 06/12/2005 9:15:16 PM PDT by Coleus ("Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isiah 5:20-21)
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To: MHGinTN
Like it or not,

Having a bad day?

50 posted on 06/13/2005 7:12:56 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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