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Huge Confederate flag flying high over I-65
decaturdaily. ^ | 13-June-2005

Posted on 06/13/2005 4:41:07 AM PDT by stainlessbanner

VERBENA (AP) — A huge Confederate battle flag flying over Interstate 65 north of Montgomery will become a permanent fixture, according to officials with the Sons of Confederate Veterans.

The organization bought land on the side of the interstate near Verbena and put up the flag, which has been flying for several months above the tree lines from the top of a large pole, easily visible from the heavily traveled interstate.

Leonard Wilson, commander of the Alabama division of Sons of Confederate Veterans, said the flag will be dedicated in a ceremony at 5 p.m. on June 26.

The flag is located on a little more than half an acre of land just north of where Autauga County 68 crosses over the interstate, about six miles south of the Verbena exit.

"We put the flag up so people could see it," Wilson said. "We are showing off our heritage. The flag is part of our heritage."

Critics of Confederate flag displays say they are reminders of the slavery era and Alabama's racist past, and can damage Alabama's image when flown beside a busy interstate route to Gulf beaches.


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1 posted on 06/13/2005 4:41:07 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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Huge Confederate flag flies high over I-65 north of Montgomery

VERBENA, Ala. - A huge Confederate battle flag flying over Interstate 65 north of Montgomery will become a permanent fixture, according to officials with the Sons of Confederate Veterans.

The organization bought land on the side of the interstate near Verbena and put up the flag, which has been flying for several months above the tree lines from the top of a large pole, easily visible from the heavily traveled interstate.

Leonard Wilson, commander of the Alabama division of Sons of Confederate Veterans, said the flag will be dedicated in a ceremony at 5 p.m. Sunday, June 26. The flag is located on a little more than half an acre of land just north of where Autauga County 68 crosses over the interstate, about six miles south of the Verbena exit. The land was purchased last December by the Sons of Confederate Veterans, according to the deed on file in Autauga County.

"We put the flag up so people could see it," Wilson said. "We are showing off our heritage. The flag is part of our heritage."

Critics of Confederate flag displays say they are reminders of the slavery era and Alabama's racist past, and can damage Alabama's image when flown beside a busy interstate route to Gulf beaches.

Wilson said the Confederate heritage organization had been looking for some time for an appropriate place to fly the flag where it would get maximum exposure.

"I think anybody that sees it will give pause to reflect on history," Wilson said.

The flag is visible for some distance to cars traveling in both directions and some people have been seen stopping to take pictures. It's located along a section of the interstate known for extravagant displays, including a water tower shaped as a peach and a billboard with the message, "Go to Church or the Devil will get you!"

The presence of the giant flag, about the size of banners often seen flying over car dealerships, has upset Birmingham civil rights activist and radio talk show host Frank Matthews, who says he believes the flag violates the state law regulating the size and position of billboards along public highways.

Matthews said he plans to organize a protest and questions whether taxpayer money was spent to enhance the appearance of the flag, pointing to rocks that cover the hillside below the flagpole.

Tony Harris, spokesman for the Alabama Department of Transportation, said the rocks were placed on the hillside in 2000 and 2001 as part of a project to control erosion and prevent parts of the hill from sliding into the southbound lanes of the interstate. He said the project was completed years before the Sons of Confederate Veterans purchased the property and had nothing to do with the flag.

Harris also said DOT officials have investigated the issue and believe the flag is not covered by laws and rules regulating billboards.

The flag is similar to a large Confederate banner flying on land owned by the Sons of Confederate Veterans along I-75 in Florida. The national membership coordinator for the organization, Bryan Sharp, said it's important for the flag to be visible.

"We think it's very important for our organization to teach people what happened in our own backyard. They don't teach what happened in The War Between the States anymore," said Sharp from his office at the organization's national headquarters in Columbia, Tenn.

Sharp said he disagrees with critics who see the flag as a reminder of slavery.

"A lot of farm boys, who never had enough money to own a slave, went off to war. They were left with nothing. A lot of people have forgotten that. We have tried to bring awareness to the sacrifices those men made," Sharp said.

State Rep. Alvin Holmes, D-Montgomery, an outspoken critic of the Confederate flag flying from public buildings or on taxpayer owned property, said he's concerned the location of the flag along a main route from northern and midwestern states to Gulf Coast beaches will hurt the state's image.

"But legally I don't think there's anything we can do about it because it's on private property," said Holmes, who was once arrested along with other black legislators for trying to remove a Confederate flag that at the time flew from the dome of the state Capitol.

Holmes said he believes for many people the flag "represents slavery, racism and oppression" and urged the Sons of Confederate Veterans to take it down.

"Alabama already has a bad image and when people using that highway see that flag it will only legitimize what was already in their minds about Alabama."

2 posted on 06/13/2005 4:42:34 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: injin; McCainMutiny; MacDorcha; JohnPigg; smug; TexConfederate1861; peacebaby; DixieOklahoma; ...

3 posted on 06/13/2005 4:43:21 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: BootsOnTheGround
I am part German.

I think you're part carpetbagger.

5 posted on 06/13/2005 4:48:35 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: BootsOnTheGround
Part German? or Nazi. The confederate battle flag has nothing to do with slavery or racism.The US flag flew over slaves for a much longer period of time where's the out rage. And by the way We are supposed to be free. to think and say what we want. If it offends you .LOOK away.
6 posted on 06/13/2005 4:51:17 AM PDT by ImAmerican
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To: stainlessbanner

It's time to put this to rest, move on, and quit hanging onto the past.


7 posted on 06/13/2005 4:51:22 AM PDT by tkathy (Tyranny breeds terrorism. Freedom breeds peace.)
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To: BootsOnTheGround

I sugest you get a real history book and stop listening to the propaganda spewed by the NAACP. Those who fly the standard of the Confederate army are often those who fly the Stars and Stripes the highest.


8 posted on 06/13/2005 4:52:34 AM PDT by Morgan's Raider
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To: stainlessbanner
"Alabama already has a bad image and when people using that highway see that flag it will only legitimize what was already in their minds about Alabama."

And we should care about this because ... ?

9 posted on 06/13/2005 4:52:40 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("They settled down hard on a government grant, with six mouths to feed and forty acres to plant.")
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To: BootsOnTheGround
Well, if it upsets enough we can lobby our stalwart representatives in the inept Congress of these disjointed United States and ban private property rights and free speech.

Perhaps a little nudge in the direction of lame brain McCain will do it.

Isn't he a proponent of censorship?

10 posted on 06/13/2005 4:52:47 AM PDT by G.Mason (The replies made by this poster are meant for self-amusement only. Read at your own discretion.)
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To: ImAmerican

I guess I'm just against glorifying traitors. Silly me.


11 posted on 06/13/2005 4:53:33 AM PDT by BootsOnTheGround (A free America is the World's last hope.)
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To: stainlessbanner

no, no, boots is all ignorant


12 posted on 06/13/2005 4:53:45 AM PDT by South Dakota
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To: BootsOnTheGround
I am part German

And the other part idiot.

13 posted on 06/13/2005 4:54:10 AM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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To: BootsOnTheGround

Is that you, Wlat?


14 posted on 06/13/2005 4:54:32 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("They settled down hard on a government grant, with six mouths to feed and forty acres to plant.")
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To: tkathy
"It's time to put this to rest, move on, and quit hanging onto the past."


Yeah ... I'm thinking of offing my parents and grandparents too.

15 posted on 06/13/2005 4:54:39 AM PDT by G.Mason (The replies made by this poster are meant for self-amusement only. Read at your own discretion.)
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To: stainlessbanner

I saw one about that size--over a ranch in the Red Desert of Wyoming. I suppose some jerk would want them to pull that one down, too, but it was a great landmark.


16 posted on 06/13/2005 4:56:31 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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To: BootsOnTheGround

Wrong again , The northern states ignored the constitution,and forced a showdown,All for money


17 posted on 06/13/2005 4:56:48 AM PDT by ImAmerican
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To: tkathy
"It's time to put this to rest, move on, and quit hanging onto the past."

Conversely, the same could be immediately said for all the blacks who are demanding "reparations".

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

18 posted on 06/13/2005 5:00:03 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: BootsOnTheGround

Calling Robert E. Lee a traitor is very silly. He was a loyal Virginian who kept honor by not betraying his own people.


19 posted on 06/13/2005 5:01:52 AM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: ImAmerican

"Wrong again , The northern states ignored the constitution,and forced a showdown,All for money"

Every traitor has an excuse. Commie spies were working for "mankind", I'm sure Benedict Arnold thought he had a bunch of good reasons.

Fight against America and I spit on your flag. It's not politically correct in FR to say so, but that's how I feel.

My Dad died for the US flag and my nephew is fighting for it in Iraq.

Bring me your Confederate flags and I will exercise my bladder on them.


20 posted on 06/13/2005 5:02:21 AM PDT by BootsOnTheGround (A free America is the World's last hope.)
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To: stainlessbanner

Apparently no one told them that multiculturalism applies only to liberals, gays and minorities.


21 posted on 06/13/2005 5:04:22 AM PDT by BinaryBoy
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To: BootsOnTheGround

Wow.......

Did you lose half of your brain in an accident, or are you just brain-dead in general.....

That has to be the most ignorant statement that I have ever read. Go back and take a history course.


22 posted on 06/13/2005 5:04:30 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: stainlessbanner

I hope the Libs choke on it every time they drive by.


23 posted on 06/13/2005 5:09:19 AM PDT by grobdriver (Let the embeds check the bodies!)
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To: stainlessbanner
I'm offended...


24 posted on 06/13/2005 5:10:02 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: stainlessbanner

I hope you Confederate groupies here are cheering the Iraqi factions' attempts to torpedo Iraq's peace.

After all they are fighting for their seperate homelands. According to some here, that's GREAT!!!

As long as my country flies the red, white, and blue and our boys in Iraq are dying for it I will not honor the flag of traitors.

Sorry I'm not FR-PC about this view. Real sorry.


25 posted on 06/13/2005 5:10:31 AM PDT by BootsOnTheGround (A free America is the World's last hope.)
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To: BootsOnTheGround

It's a bunch of losers remembering their loser past.


26 posted on 06/13/2005 5:11:54 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems. NRA)
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To: Tax-chick
Is that you, Wlat?

Walt argued his points clearly and with an understanding of Civil War history. This guy's comments are off the wall and he couldn't shine Walt's shoes. Walt made for very interesting reading, even if you disagreed with him. I miss his posts.

27 posted on 06/13/2005 5:14:19 AM PDT by Cagey (These pretzels are making me thirsty.)
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To: Shooter 2.5
It's a bunch of losers remembering their loser past.

Spelling prize! Most would have typed "loosers."

28 posted on 06/13/2005 5:15:13 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("They settled down hard on a government grant, with six mouths to feed and forty acres to plant.")
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To: Cagey

Good point. I apologize to Walt in-absentia.


29 posted on 06/13/2005 5:15:39 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("They settled down hard on a government grant, with six mouths to feed and forty acres to plant.")
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To: BootsOnTheGround

Hey idiot:

The Confederates were Americans as well, excercising their rights under the Constitution to secede.

And I dare you to try relieving yourself on our flag in the South.....you might come back without an appendage if you try that in front of certain people....


30 posted on 06/13/2005 5:16:28 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: stainlessbanner

bookmark.


31 posted on 06/13/2005 5:16:38 AM PDT by No Blue States
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To: Shooter 2.5

The only loser here is YOU, you sorry excuse for a carpetbagger.


32 posted on 06/13/2005 5:18:40 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: stainlessbanner

People want multiculturalism and wear Che T's etc then people need to deal with all it's implications.


33 posted on 06/13/2005 5:18:47 AM PDT by Archon of the East ("universal executive power of the law of nature")
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To: Tax-chick

The man is a "transplant" in Texas, You know...a carpetbagger. Please don't think that Texans are like HE is......


34 posted on 06/13/2005 5:21:08 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: stainlessbanner

The Southern states exercised their right to secede and were invaded and destroyed and somehow the war was their fault.

Southern boys fought valiantly for their homeland, just as your father and son.


35 posted on 06/13/2005 5:22:28 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Democrats soil the institutions they control)
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To: Jacquerie

The two worst presidents:

Lincoln - Central Government
Roosevelt - Socialism

Why have we allowed these policies to survive?

When will and how will the next revolution take place?


36 posted on 06/13/2005 5:26:18 AM PDT by Baseballguy
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To: stainlessbanner
When I was a kid it was also part of the Confederate heritage for their flags to proudly fly from display cases inside the state capitol buildings in Indianapolis, Springfield, Madison, Columbus, Lansing, Albany, Harrisburg, Charleston and other Union cities.

That's what happens when you lose the war.

Modern day copperheads and traitors decided to ship those flags back Souf' in the early 1960s in a gesture of reconciliation.

They were warned that should this be done, the Southerners would start flying giant Confederate flags all over the place.

I think it's time to reconsider the deal and get those flags back where they belong ~ in those display cases.

37 posted on 06/13/2005 5:30:00 AM PDT by muawiyah (q)
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To: Baseballguy

BINGO!


38 posted on 06/13/2005 5:32:18 AM PDT by ImAmerican
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To: advance_copy

"Calling Robert E. Lee a traitor is very silly. He was a loyal Virginian who kept honor by not betraying his own people."

Every traitor has GREAT excuses. They are still traitors.

Anyone who shoots or has shot at the AMERICAN flag has earned my contempt.


39 posted on 06/13/2005 5:32:30 AM PDT by BootsOnTheGround (Shoot at the Red, White, and Blue and I spit on you - 1860 or 2005, it don't matter.)
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To: G.Mason

*giggle*


40 posted on 06/13/2005 5:35:25 AM PDT by rabidralph
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To: advance_copy

Agreed.......there were honorable men on both sides and flying the Confederate flag does more to honor those brave men and IMHO the h@ll with the ACLU and PC crowd.


41 posted on 06/13/2005 5:38:13 AM PDT by newcthem (Use Allah Urinal Cakes)
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To: BootsOnTheGround

So, You must hate England, Spain, France, Japan, Korea, Isreal,Vietnam,Russia, China,Italy, And the F--ing Germans


42 posted on 06/13/2005 5:38:56 AM PDT by ImAmerican
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To: ImAmerican
Oops Forgot, the indigenous peoples of North America
43 posted on 06/13/2005 5:41:58 AM PDT by ImAmerican
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To: BootsOnTheGround
BootsOnTheGround
Since Jan 29, 2005

What's your other FR handle?

44 posted on 06/13/2005 5:42:22 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: TexConfederate1861; stainlessbanner

Re. his/her post #20, I'm thinking we should have a Dixie List rule that the first poster to introduce genitalia or bodily functions to the discussion automatically loses the argument.


45 posted on 06/13/2005 5:44:01 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("They settled down hard on a government grant, with six mouths to feed and forty acres to plant.")
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To: BootsOnTheGround

Such "contempt" for Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Louisiana, Tennessee, Arkansas, Mississippi and Texas is dishonorable, even given that it is rooted in pure ignorance.


46 posted on 06/13/2005 5:47:22 AM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: Tax-chick

Sounds good to me :)


47 posted on 06/13/2005 5:47:28 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: stainlessbanner

I live near this area mentioned. I thought they placed the flag there because it is near a Confederate park where a cemetary is located.


48 posted on 06/13/2005 5:47:57 AM PDT by EmilyGeiger (Every time a system is made fool proof-a new class of fool emerges.)
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To: BootsOnTheGround

Your nephew is an honorable young man. I have to disagree with your other sentiments.


49 posted on 06/13/2005 5:49:06 AM PDT by cyborg (I am ageless through the power of the Lord God.)
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To: stainlessbanner

What everyone seems to forget is that the Confederate battle flag IS an American flag. It's just as American as the yellow "Don't tread on me" flag, and it has a history behind it that won't go away just because some people's sensibilities are flustered.

Whenever someone says that they don't want the Confederate flag flying over American soil remind them that it was Americans that lived and died under that flag.


50 posted on 06/13/2005 5:49:59 AM PDT by Noachian (To Control the Judiciary The People Must First Control The Senate)
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