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Vietnam looks to build ties with U.S. army(encircling China?)
Reuters ^ | 06/08/05

Posted on 06/13/2005 5:25:00 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

Vietnam looks to build ties with U.S. army

Wed Jun 8, 1:49 AM ET

HANOI (Reuters) - Communist Vietnam said a visit by a senior U.S. defense official will firm up ties between the former Vietnam War enemies and boost understanding between their armies, state-run media reported on Wednesday.

U.S. Assistant Defense Secretary Peter Rodman held talks with Vietnam's Defense Minister Pham Van Tra and his deputy Nguyen Huy Hieu on Tuesday at the start of the two-day visit, the defense ministry-run Quan Doi Nhan Dan daily said.

A front-page article in the newspaper quoted Tra as telling Rodman that he believed the visit "would contribute to enhancing friendship and mutual understanding between the two armies."

The United States is seeking to build closer military ties with Vietnam, but will let them evolve in the long term instead of pushing hard, officials said before Rodman arrived.

State media said Rodman visited a military facility in Hanoi which specializes in bomb and land mine disposal techniques.

He was also due to meet officials from the Police Ministry, the National Defense Academy where Vietnamese military officers are trained, and the Foreign Relations Institute.

Rodman's visit to Hanoi comes ahead a planned June 21 meeting between Vietnamese Prime Minister Phan Van Khai and President Bush in Washington. Khai will be the most high-ranking Vietnamese to visit the United States since the Vietnam War.

Vietnam and the United States mark the 10th anniversary of their normalisation of relations in July.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: allies; allyvietnam; militarycooperation; phanvankhai; us; vietnam; vietnamvisit
While Rummy gushing over India while dissing China hard, one of his men tried to "enhance enhancing friendship and mutual understanding between the two armies." (U.S. and Viet Nam)

Pentagon is doing its own diplomacy now.

1 posted on 06/13/2005 5:25:00 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; maui_hawaii; tallhappy; Dr. Marten; Jeff Head; Khurkris; hedgetrimmer; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 06/13/2005 5:27:02 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

weird.

Thanks for the ping.


3 posted on 06/13/2005 5:32:15 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I guaranty you that Vietnam is not trying to encircle China. It is merely trying to avoid being gobbled up by it.

The more you think about it, the more it looks like this may be the final shoe to fall in the Vietnam War.


4 posted on 06/13/2005 5:36:49 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

The Chinese and Vietnames already went to war once in the seventies: this is nothing new. The Vietnamese don't trust the Chinese, and with good reason.


5 posted on 06/13/2005 5:38:00 AM PDT by Meldrim
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To: Meldrim

Exactly, and now that China needs Vietnam's oil, you can bet the Vietnamese are more worried about their neighbor.


6 posted on 06/13/2005 5:43:30 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

I really want to know what you think about this.


7 posted on 06/13/2005 5:48:02 AM PDT by wolfpat (dum vivimus, vivamus)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Why would you want to line yourself up with someone that you had beat--albeit with help from the Media, McCain, Kerry and Congress?


8 posted on 06/13/2005 5:54:17 AM PDT by Ramonan (Honor does not go out of style.)
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To: Meldrim

The Chinese and Vietnamese have despised each other for 3,000 years. Interestingly for the most part the Chinese have never been able to decisively beat them.


9 posted on 06/13/2005 5:56:02 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Brilliant
Re #4

What I meant was that U.S. is encircling China, by enlisting Viet Nam.

10 posted on 06/13/2005 5:59:18 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

That's probably what the Chinese think. I'm not sure I even agree with that though. The US is trying to block China's expansion into surrounding territories. That's not quite the same as encircling them. The idea of encircling implies that we have aggressive intentions, which we don't.


11 posted on 06/13/2005 6:08:25 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Strategerist

The Chinese have always been the bankers, merchants and related business owners of Asia. Because of this trait, they've always been resented by other Asians.


12 posted on 06/13/2005 6:09:36 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Brilliant
Re #11

Either way, China would not get what it wants, which is fine with me.:-)

13 posted on 06/13/2005 6:10:23 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: Brilliant

China should be added to Bush's axis of evil IMHO...


14 posted on 06/13/2005 6:12:45 AM PDT by RockinRight (Conservatism is common sense, liberalism is just senseless.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Agreed. There is a lot of work to be done here by the American diplomats and military, though. It's just a question of whether the peacenik diplomats can hold their noses and get the job done, knowing that the whole purpose of this effort on their part will be to improve the US military strategy vis a vis China.


15 posted on 06/13/2005 6:15:21 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Re #12

In case of Viet Nam, China repeatedly tried to conquer them. Part of N. Viet Nam was sometimes under Chinese control during their history.

16 posted on 06/13/2005 6:15:34 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: RockinRight

By adding N. Korea, he came about as close as he could come to doing that.

Heck, even adding NK caused a leftist conniption.


17 posted on 06/13/2005 6:17:04 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Why don't we just send Kerry, he's pretty tight with those guys.


18 posted on 06/13/2005 6:17:43 AM PDT by JZelle
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To: JZelle

"Why don't we just send Kerry, he's pretty tight with those guys."

Hmmm, good idea!

The Chinese area of Saigon, Cholon, was a thriving community back then also. Our headquarters was there, only spent a week in a block of French Colonial small hotels that we used.


19 posted on 06/13/2005 6:43:19 AM PDT by Stashiu (RVN, 1969-70)
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To: Brilliant

True...but in all honesty, I don't think even the Chinese are all that thrilled with Kim Jong-Il lately...


20 posted on 06/13/2005 7:15:58 AM PDT by RockinRight (Conservatism is common sense, liberalism is just senseless.)
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To: Brilliant

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LOVE is coming to Vietnam.



Signed:.."ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer
Vet-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965


http://www.WeWereSoldiers.com
http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_collection.htm

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21 posted on 06/13/2005 7:18:57 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

that's ironic, after the media leftists turned this country against the vietnam war. remember, the chicoms did invade vietnam not that long ago.

and, now i'm supposed to be concerned about north vietnam's security?


22 posted on 06/13/2005 7:22:06 AM PDT by ken21 (if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen. /s)
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To: RockinRight

They aren't thrilled with him, but of late, they've begun to echo his sentiment, blaming the US for the problems on the Korean penninsula. I think they are hunkering down for a Cold War style struggle with the US, and that means even an idiot like Jung-Il will be useful to them.


23 posted on 06/13/2005 7:22:30 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Ramonan

I read a book by Nelson DeMille; "Up Country" was the title. The mission on top of the mission was to secure a long term lease to Cam Rahn Bay. I still think that's a possibility.


24 posted on 06/13/2005 7:34:59 AM PDT by printhead
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To: wolfpat

"I really want to know what you think about this."


*Congress to allow normal trade relations with Viet Nam WITHOUT full account of POW/MIA's
http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3b9bfd3117c9.htm

Posted on 09/09/2001 4:37:21 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

*Congress to allow normal trade relations with Viet Nam WITHOUT full account of POW/MIA's Thread 2
http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3b9d9fbe2cbf.htm


25 posted on 06/13/2005 8:57:45 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Never Forget those unaccounted for!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; All

OH MAN really

Question look like to me we going reform relatioins with Vietnam

MAN Rummy is poker player Tiger


26 posted on 06/13/2005 9:03:19 AM PDT by SevenofNine (Not everybody in, it for truth, justice, and the American way,"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
If we can become allies with Japan, whom we kicked their collective butts when they were in the Teikoku Imperial Japan "Tenno Heika, Banzai!!" mode, and work it out with them some 50-60 years later, then certainly we can become allies with Vietnam (to a lesser extent), some thirty years later after they kicked our butts out of Vietnam. You win some you lose some, history rolls on.

How to explain a US military alliance in the early 21st century with Hanoi itself, the dreaded DRV, to all those poor names on The Wall sent to stop "Cong San Chu Nghia". It's almost like WE should demand Hanoi pay US reparations to our dead's families, for our fighting their communism which they have moved to abandon day by day since 1975, as they themselves have seen 'what works'. Oh, Irony of Ironies.

If I'd have my druthers, they would scrap one party Viet-Communism once and for all, as a precondition, and give total access to finding any MIAs and POWs.

We have no permanent Friends. We have no permanant Enemies.

We only have Permanant American Interests. Other than that, anything at all to screw up Red China in the region I welcome, long-term.

27 posted on 06/13/2005 9:26:43 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (**AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS NOT SO MUCH "WHO" WE STAND FOR, BUT RATHER "WHAT" WE STAND FOR**)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Not more of this "my enemy's enemy is my friend" business. I hope further democratisation of Vietnam is a condition of any future alliance.


28 posted on 06/13/2005 10:46:34 AM PDT by moatilliatta
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