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To: DTogo

Permanent. If you are not doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to worry about.


3 posted on 06/13/2005 10:23:37 AM PDT by loborojo (What the hell is a "Reagan Democrat"?)
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To: loborojo

Ditto


6 posted on 06/13/2005 10:24:29 AM PDT by SMARTY
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To: loborojo

It all depends on what the government decides is "wrong".


9 posted on 06/13/2005 10:29:07 AM PDT by kenth
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To: loborojo

Just remember that a Democratic Administration (Hillary) can use the Partiot Act to target...uh, Freepers.


10 posted on 06/13/2005 10:30:47 AM PDT by DCPatriot
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To: loborojo
If you are not doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to worry about.

BS.

13 posted on 06/13/2005 10:31:58 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan (June 14 - Defeat DeWine - Vote Tom Brinkman for Congress (OH-2) - http://www.gobrinkman.com)
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To: loborojo
Permanent. If you are not doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to worry about.

. . . said George III to the 13 Colonies.

15 posted on 06/13/2005 10:33:17 AM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: loborojo
If you are not doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to worry about.

Waco, Ruby Ridge, Billy Dale(railroaded by Klintons), Bull Connor, King George III and Lord North.

Government isn't trustworthy enough with that power.

16 posted on 06/13/2005 10:33:51 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan (June 14 - Defeat DeWine - Vote Tom Brinkman for Congress (OH-2) - http://www.gobrinkman.com)
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To: loborojo
Permanent. If you are not doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to worry about.

I absolutely despise this line of reasoning.

With it, I can say: "If you are not doing anything wrong, then you shouldn't worry about warrantless searches."

With it, I can say: "If you are not doing anything wrong, then you shouldn't worry 24/7 automated surveillance."

With it, I can say: "If you are not doing anything wrong, then you shouldn't worry about financial privacy."

Your take on it is the antithesis of what this country should -- and used to -- stand for.

22 posted on 06/13/2005 10:38:56 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Republican Party is the France of politics.)
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To: loborojo

So perhaps you would support putting video cameras in everyones' homes and cars? I mean, if you aren't doing anything wrong, what's the problem?


35 posted on 06/13/2005 10:48:45 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: loborojo

Re: your tagline---

See Zell Miller...


47 posted on 06/13/2005 10:55:12 AM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: loborojo

"One of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the great struggle for independence." - Charles A. Beard

“For your own good” is a persuasive argument that will eventually make a man agree to his own destruction." - Janet Frame

"Now those who seek absolute power, even though they seek it to do what they regard as good, are simply demanding the right to enforce their own version of heaven on earth, and let me remind you they are the very ones who always create the most hellish tyranny." - Barry Goldwater "If the author of the Declaration of Independence were to utter such a sentiment today, the Post Office Department could exclude him from the mail, grand juries could indict him for sedition and criminal syndicalism, legislative committees could seize his private papers ... and United States Senators would be clamoring for his deportation that he... should be sent back to live with the rest of the terrorists." - Frank I. Cobb

"The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it." -John Hay

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy" - James Madison

"Everything secret degenerates, even the administration of justice; nothing is safe that does not show how it can bear discussion and publicity." -Lord Acton

"If men, through fear, fraud, or mistake, should in terms renounce or give up any natural right, the eternal law of reason and the grand end of society would absolutely vacate such renunciation. The right to freedom being the gift of Almighty God, it is not in the power of man to alienate this gift and voluntarily become a slave." - Samuel Adams

"The first people totalitarians destroy or silence are men of ideas and free minds." - Isaiah Berlin

"Every effort to confine Americanism to a single pattern, to constrain it to a single formula, is disloyalty to everything that is valid in Americanism." -Henry Steele Commager

"Men in authority will always think that criticism of their policies is dangerous. They will always equate their policies with patriotism, and find criticism subversive." -Henry Steele Commager

"Find out just what the people will submit to and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress." -Frederick Douglass

"It is better, so the Fourth Amendment teaches us, that the guilty sometimes go free than the citizens be subject to easy arrest." - Justice William O. Douglas

"The mission of the Gestapo expanded steadily as, from 1933 onward, “political criminality” was given a much broader definition than ever before and most forms of dissent and criticism were gradually criminalized. The result was that more “laws” or lawlike measures were put on the books than ever." -Shelia Fitzpatrick

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive." -C.S. Lewis

"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." - Thomas Jefferson

"There is no crueler tyranny than that which is perpetuated under the shield of law and in the name of justice." - Charles de Montesquieu

"Necessity, the tyrant's plea" - John Milton

"The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants, and it provides the further advantage of giving the servants of tyranny a good conscience" - Albert Camus

131 posted on 06/13/2005 12:07:34 PM PDT by to_zion
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To: loborojo

The problem with that thinking is that you are not taking into account the definitions and standards of "right" and "wrong", and the probability that some unscrupulous politician may one day change those definitions to legally violate the rights of innocent citizens.


178 posted on 06/13/2005 1:57:34 PM PDT by SaveTheChief
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To: loborojo
"If you are not doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to worry about."

Oh, statements like that irk the heck outta me.

With that kind of thinking, we will have government cameras watching every aspect of our lives, snooping into all of our private records, monitoring our emails, etc., etc...

...but, we shouldn't mind that if we aren't doing anything wrong, right?

Does privacy mean anything to you?

Oh yeah, I know it is already happening but it will only get worse when Americans give into it.

204 posted on 06/13/2005 6:16:30 PM PDT by RightWinger
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If you are not doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to worry about.

Wrong in who's eyes? George W. Bush's eyes or Hillary Clinton's eyes? Granted an administration as corrupt as the Clintons wouldn't need to justify their actions as per the Patriot Act, but that kind of power in the wrong administration's hands would be frightening.

I voted cut back, for the most part I like the PA, but parts of it don't sit well with me.

212 posted on 06/13/2005 7:21:34 PM PDT by infidel29 ("It is only the warlike power of a civilized people that can give peace to the world."- T. Roosevelt)
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To: loborojo
If you are not doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to worry about.

I agree the act should be permanent, but if this thing you wrote were true, there would be nobody getting shafted by the Feds over the Endangered Species Act, wetlands or the Americans with Disabilities Act.

217 posted on 06/13/2005 8:11:57 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback ("Eureka! I just found the gene that causes people to believe in genetic determinism!")
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"If you are not doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to worry about."

just damb.

You ever hear Thomas Jefferson’s quote. Something like, Government is like fire if it is well kept it will keep you warm, when it gets out of control it will burn you.

222 posted on 06/13/2005 8:47:38 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn
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If you are not doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to worry about.

That's what I thought...until I had my driver's license suspended because a doctor felt offended when I didn't accept his diagnosis which he made in all of 15 minutes without one test.

It took six months, a whole batch of other tests to prove stupid wrong, and a whole lot of bureaucratic crap to get it reinstated. And, no, the State Board of Medicine didn't do a bloody thing to protect the patient's rights.

People convicted of drunk driving got their license back faster than I did.

Not only do I think the Patriot Act should be dumped, I think even the name "Patriot Act" sounds like something the Communist Soviet propoganda machine thought up.

231 posted on 06/14/2005 2:48:57 AM PDT by Victoria_R
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"If you are not doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to worry about."

Your papers,please. And what are you doing carring around $900 cash? We are confiscating this because known drug dealers use this road and drive cars similar to yours.


234 posted on 06/14/2005 4:50:18 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Mexico, the 51st state.)
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Oh, I forgot. We're taking your car also.

Have a nice day.


235 posted on 06/14/2005 4:52:04 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Mexico, the 51st state.)
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Permanent. If you are not doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to worry about.

I agree...keep what we have now 'permanent'...but I think it's gone far enough.

236 posted on 06/14/2005 4:55:35 AM PDT by Fawn
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Permanent. If you are not doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to worry about.

Same as tapping your phone, reading your mail, bugging your house. Following you around.

296 posted on 06/14/2005 11:52:48 AM PDT by Protagoras (Iíve had all I can stands and I canít stands no more.....Popeye)
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