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Guantanamo inmates can be held 'in perpetuity'
yahoo.com ^ | June 15, 2005 | Reuters

Posted on 06/15/2005 3:35:00 PM PDT by AgThorn

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To: Thud
I don't disagree...but lets narrow the argument.

Let the fight be over whether we be-head them with a rusty steak knife or whether we give them an OD dosage of barbiturate.

61 posted on 06/15/2005 4:33:05 PM PDT by Dark Skies (Islam is the wolf at the door. Shall we pet it...or kill it)
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To: Mo1

Okay--right before they went to commercial--the stupid AI guy said that our "values" is what keeps us "safe"? or something---

and Chrissy made a comment about the debate being about that...

If the debate is between those that think that our "reputation and values" is the most important and will keep us safer, than using interrogations techniques that just MIGHT make the prisoners uncomfortable, would...

Have they ever thought that there will BE NO AMERICA, if we don't treat these guys like prisoners...they still don't get it that these guys want to die...that keeping them locked up and taking away some of their prayer beads and oil might get them to talk....

I am so frustrated with the anti-war, anti-military, anti-American politicians, and journalists!!!


62 posted on 06/15/2005 4:37:20 PM PDT by Txsleuth (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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To: ken21

They should have the exact same meals as the three thousand innocents who were murdered on 9/11 have each day.


63 posted on 06/15/2005 4:37:56 PM PDT by OldFriend (MAJOR TAMMY DUCKWORTH.....INSPIRATIONAL)
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To: Txsleuth

What would be funny to watch though is what would happen if Lindsay becomes more of a media favorite than McCain. I think it would be hilarious watching McCain start to publicly guy Lindsay for edging in on McCain's normal camera time! Of course, it also occurs to me to wonder whether Lindsay Graham is the top candidate for McCain's VP running mate.


64 posted on 06/15/2005 4:38:35 PM PDT by MarcusTulliusCicero
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To: Mo1

Michael Smerconish is also a big buddy of Arlen Specter. He's your typical Philly RINO.


65 posted on 06/15/2005 4:40:04 PM PDT by MarcusTulliusCicero
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To: Dark Skies

Nah, make 'em listen to Barbra Streisand songs 24/7 until they croak.


66 posted on 06/15/2005 4:44:08 PM PDT by Thud
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To: Txsleuth
Have they ever thought that there will BE NO AMERICA, if we don't treat these guys like prisoners...they still don't get it that these guys want to die...that keeping them locked up and taking away some of their prayer beads and oil might get them to talk....

No they don't get it

And the sad thing is .. if (god forbid) we are ever attacked again and thousands are murdered because of the terrorists ??

These Liberal will STILL NOT UNDERSTAND

These Liberals are BEYOND Stupid

67 posted on 06/15/2005 4:44:59 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: AgThorn

First of all, the Geneva Convention does NOT cover them. They do not wear a uniform of a Country. In any war in the past, if you were caught out of uniform by the opposing forces, you were excuted as a "spy" and there were NO questions asked.

So why all of the fatherly protections for these terrorist now? This is just another avenue for the socialist left in this Country to take down the Administration, and give this Country another black eye.

Start excuting these terrorist, and the socialist left will only scream and cry louder until they get what they want.

In fact, nothing this Administration does, or will do will satisfy the left, so why even try?

Get on with the war on terror and stop trying to coddle these socialist idiots! They attempted to make this an issue during the election, and they lost! I eman what does it take to wake up Americans to the real issue here? The left hates Bush, the war on terror, and this Country, and will do anything to bring them down, and not necessarily in that order!


68 posted on 06/15/2005 4:45:01 PM PDT by standing united (The second amendment does not stand for the right to hunt, but to over throw a corrupt Gov.)
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To: MarcusTulliusCicero
Michael Smerconish is also a big buddy of Arlen Specter. He's your typical Philly RINO

Yea .. I know

But when it comes to the WOT .. he's not a RINO

69 posted on 06/15/2005 4:46:05 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: Enchante

I know! I shed no tears for these bararic savages! An interviewer the other day asked Arrianna Huffington what her solution was . Her ''intelligent'' answer was ''We should transfer them here to the mainland so they could at least have access to more social services.'' The interviewer than asked ''But what if they escaped and started lopping off heads here in the United States.?'' She then laughed and said ''Well then that is the administrations fault.!!! AAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!


70 posted on 06/15/2005 4:47:15 PM PDT by Bush gal in LA
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To: AgThorn
I never saw disgust and anger on anyone's face like those emotions displayed by General Hemingway (and the other general) during the Gitmo hearing today.

They were actually glaring at the DemonRat committee members especially when it was intimated that the military was violating the Geneva Conventions and the U.S. Constitution.

Other thinly-veiled 'Rat insults and slander against the military were par for the course today during the hearing.

Good thing these fine officers have nerves of steel and years of training in self-discipline. I would have jumped over the table and throttled Spectre, Durbin, Feingold and Company with their own ugly ties.

Well, that's only dreaming on my part.....and that's why I'm not a general in our military.....only a foot-soldier in the FR trenches.

Leni

71 posted on 06/15/2005 4:49:48 PM PDT by MinuteGal (Remember, Half the People You Know are Below Average)
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To: AgThorn

If I'm not mistaken, a lot of the reason for these people just sitting in Guantanamo without a trial of some kind is that the various "human rights watchdogs" have sued to grant them full American legal rights. They don't want them tried under a military tribunal system and so the cases are winding their way through the courts. So a large part of the delay is due to that....we can't try them in either venue until the decisions come down. That being said, it needs to be firmly established, and restated time and again by the Bush Administration (which they just do not do very well, in my opinion - instead of making this central point, they will argue all these minutia) that these people do not qualify for the rights and guarentees accorded to Prisoners of War and so do not fall under the Geneva Conventions. On the other hand, the libertarian in me is very uncomfortable with imprisoning anyone without some type of mechanism for at least periodic review and evaluation. That's not to say that they are entitled to the full legal rights of American citizens, but I'm also somewhat uncomfortable with the thought that any government is so infallible that they don't occasionally imprison someone under false pretenses. My fear is that, with no defined mechanism for review, that a "Cover your A**" mentality could result in someone spending years in Guantanamo when they weren't necessarily a bona fide threat. I'm not sure, however, how that review would necessarily be set up to ensure that military secrecy be maintained while achieving a measure of independence that would allow for a realistic assessment of whether the person is, in fact, a threat.

As for interrogation procedures, I would definitely intensify them. We need to fight this war to win it, not to make the rest of the world like us.


72 posted on 06/15/2005 4:50:04 PM PDT by MarcusTulliusCicero
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To: Mo1

True enough. He's as impatient as Ann Coulter is with the TSA. I haven't heard him enough to know what his opinion of the border situation is, though.


73 posted on 06/15/2005 4:51:17 PM PDT by MarcusTulliusCicero
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To: Mo1

They won't understand anything but that it is Bush's fault!

I missed a few minutes of the program and walked back in, just as Chrissy was saying that the dems were going to have it easy in 2006!!! WTH, does that mean? Why does he think the dems will have it easy in 2006?


74 posted on 06/15/2005 4:53:13 PM PDT by Txsleuth (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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To: AgThorn
[...]WHY don't we set up a tribunal and trial on each prisoner? [...]Enough!!! Set up the tribunal and start to convict, sentence and hopefully have some summary executions and make them public. [...]

Exactly!

Holding them without trial is ridiculous, especially considering the way many of these were nabbed ("They must be guilty, or why else would their rival tribesmen have turned them over to us for the bounty?!") We've admitted they were not all guilty, not all terrorists (quietly releasing those we can determine).

I don't want these scum to drag the USA down toward their level of barbarity. Perpetual imprisonment without trial is not the American way.

75 posted on 06/15/2005 4:53:22 PM PDT by Gondring (The can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold dead hands.)
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To: AgThorn

agree 100% with your post

AND...... your tag line.


76 posted on 06/15/2005 4:53:35 PM PDT by 537cant be wrong (vampires stole my lunch money but left me with my bus pass. damn!)
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To: superiorslots

NOT while we are still at war!

We didn't let POWs go in the other wars while the wars were still being fought, I don't think!


77 posted on 06/15/2005 4:54:32 PM PDT by Txsleuth (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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To: MarcusTulliusCicero

Smerconish and Specter also have matching hairdos, now!


78 posted on 06/15/2005 4:55:56 PM PDT by Txsleuth (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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To: standing united
Have to make a correction that is very relevant.... In any war in the past, if you were caught out of uniform by the opposing forces, you were tried and excuted as a "spy" and there were NO questions asked.

The trial of Major André in the Revolutionary War is a sad tale. Washington wanted to spare the man, and he requested a firing squad, but he couldn't in good conscience do it..and hanged him as a spy.

79 posted on 06/15/2005 4:56:41 PM PDT by Gondring (The can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold dead hands.)
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To: Ron in Acreage

oh! those detainees.

darndest thing. it was the worse case of suicide i have ever seen in all my life. they all beat themselves to death with a trash can lid.


80 posted on 06/15/2005 4:56:49 PM PDT by 537cant be wrong (vampires stole my lunch money but left me with my bus pass. damn!)
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