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Romney is getting ready for '08
Townhall.com ^ | 6/16/05 | Bob Novak

Posted on 06/16/2005 4:42:31 AM PDT by Molly Pitcher

PONTIAC, Mich. -- Any real doubt that Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney will run for the 2008 Republican presidential nomination should have been resolved by his performance Monday in suburban Oakland County, Mich. He did not merely drop into his native state for a political fund-raising speech. He spent a 12-hour candidate's day working a key presidential primary state.

Romney's public exposure was less than two hours at the Marriott Hotel in Pontiac for the 13th annual event sponsored by Rep. Joe Knollenberg. But in closed-door meetings starting at 8 a.m., he conferred with Republican politicians and donors. Although Romney sought no commitments and made no promises of his candidacy, the assumption by everybody here is that he will not seek re-election as governor in 2006.

Indeed, Romney's preparation for 2008 is more advanced than any of his potential Republican rivals. While he recently spoke in his neighboring state of New Hampshire, Romney's Commonwealth fund has raised and distributed $225,000, concentrated in three early primary states: Iowa, South Carolina and Michigan.

This early campaign is being put together by famed political consultant Mike Murphy, who is California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's closest political adviser and who worked for Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign in 2000. Trent Wisecup, a partner in Murphy's firm, arranged Monday's schedule. Wisecup and Murphy, both Michigan natives, were in the audience at the Marriott.

Romney began his long day over breakfast with Ed Levy, a nationally known leader in the Jewish community. That was followed by meetings with Romney's older brother, Scott, a prominent Michigan Republican, and builder John Rakolta, a major party contributor. He met some 20 Republicans for lunch and in the afternoon, including Dick DeVos (of the Amway family), the probable Republican nominee for governor. Romney talked about the need to elect DeVos and Republican candidates for governor elsewhere in '06, and the Republicans expressed fear of Hillary Clinton in '08.

Michigan is central to Romney's presidential hopes. It has been 36 years since George Romney, his father, served three terms as governor of Michigan, and the name is no longer familiar in the state. Mitt left Michigan at age 18 to attend Brigham Young University and has never lived here since. But Romney has made several political visits to the state, including three days starting last Saturday with his 40th class reunion at the elite Cranbrook school in Oakland County.

Romney strategists would like Michigan's still-unscheduled presidential primary to come as early as possible in 2008 to give their man a boost. They support efforts by the state's party regulars to close the primary to non-Republicans, averting a repetition of McCain's 2000 Michigan primary win on the backs of Democratic and independent voters.

But the Romney team opposes Republican State Chairman Saul Anuzis' attempts to return to a caucus system, fearing that Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas could mobilize the same constituency that flocked to televangelist Pat Robertson in 1988.

For old-timers, Romney was reminiscent of his father's assaults on Big Labor and Big Business. Warning that the United States is facing stiff competition from China and India, he urged "our labor unions to recognize that we're in this together" and should work to "preserve the employers in the very country where they earn their living." At the same time, he admonished corporate CEOs "to be less concerned about their own compensation."

However, Mitt Romney lacks George Romney's bombast. Nor is he his liberal Republican father's son when it comes to ideology. In introducing Romney, pro-life stalwart Knollenberg noted that "this party is looking for a very conservative candidate." Romney responded with an agenda of tax reduction and slimmed-down spending and opposition to federally financed embryonic stem cell research and same-sex marriage. He wisecracked about the liberalism of Massachusetts, suggesting, "You need a passport" to enter Cambridge (home of Harvard).

Behind the scenes, Republican politicians ask each other the same question that went unanswered when George Romney sought the 1968 nomination: Can a Mormon be elected president of the United States? Nobody talks about it, as Mitt Romney meticulously prepares the field for 2008, but that potential bias is his one great liability as a presidential candidate.


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; mittromney; presidentialcampaign; romney2008

1 posted on 06/16/2005 4:42:32 AM PDT by Molly Pitcher
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To: Molly Pitcher

A Romney running for President? I feel like I am in a time displacement...


2 posted on 06/16/2005 4:47:49 AM PDT by LRS
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To: Molly Pitcher
With Romney,Pataki,Giuliani,and McCain all running this is our chance to get a real conservative in there. We need Mike Pence in 2008! If we do not start shrinking government in 08 will we ever? Let the RINOs split their vote.
3 posted on 06/16/2005 4:48:01 AM PDT by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: Molly Pitcher

Being from MA, maybe it's time for me to really get involved in this stuff! I love Romney.


4 posted on 06/16/2005 4:48:42 AM PDT by SteveMcKing (What happens in Vegas -- stays on your record.)
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To: LRS

"I feel like I am in a time displacement..."

You are. This is 64 and 76 all over again.The 08 debate will decide the future of the party,conservatism,and therefore the country.Are we conservatives or aren't we?


5 posted on 06/16/2005 4:50:20 AM PDT by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: SteveMcKing

Romney may be the best that one could expect in MA, but I think the GOP can do better.

See below:

Adviser says governor faked stance on abortion- Asserts Romney not 'pro-choice'

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1415645/posts


6 posted on 06/16/2005 4:54:29 AM PDT by linkinpunk
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To: Molly Pitcher
I'm a Dem and I wouldn't vote for the guy.
7 posted on 06/16/2005 4:55:37 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Gipper08

As it stands today, I think the conservative position is stronger than it was in either '64 or '76. Of course, it isn't '08 yet, and things can change (if the libs get their way and manufacture another fear based "crises"), but while some things never change, our technology does, and the libs don't control the flow of information anymore...


8 posted on 06/16/2005 4:58:37 AM PDT by LRS
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To: LRS

Being in the south and knowing how important church is here, a Mormon can't win below the Mason Dixon. Call me bigoted if you will, but I know the Southern Baptist are a big block of voters here, and won't vote LDS.


9 posted on 06/16/2005 5:05:04 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (chance is the “magic wand to make not only rabbits but entire universes appear out of nothing.”)
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To: veronica
Veronica, Help us out here.
Are any of these the "real candidate?"
10 posted on 06/16/2005 5:05:51 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk, those who talk don't know.)
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To: Gipper08

Has Pence stated he's running? There hasn't been a President from the House since Van Buren I believe.


11 posted on 06/16/2005 5:11:12 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (chance is the “magic wand to make not only rabbits but entire universes appear out of nothing.”)
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To: LRS

Conservatism may or may not be stronger now.Do we all have the same definition of conservatism? If we assume conservatism means the IMPERATIVE to shrink big government then conservatism is weaker now than ever.


12 posted on 06/16/2005 5:12:13 AM PDT by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: Sybeck1

No,He has said it is way to early for that.If he announces early that would affect his duties as RSC chairman and the cynics would question his every move(which are many) It is best to fly under the radar for now and build a base.Garfield and Lincoln both went from the house.


13 posted on 06/16/2005 5:14:56 AM PDT by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: Sybeck1

How could they vote for Hillary instead?


14 posted on 06/16/2005 5:18:36 AM PDT by SteveMcKing (What happens in Vegas -- stays on your record.)
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To: SteveMcKing

Bill was a Baptist right? No seriously, I doubt this Romney could get past South Carolina, just like McCain couldn't.


15 posted on 06/16/2005 5:23:08 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (chance is the “magic wand to make not only rabbits but entire universes appear out of nothing.”)
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To: Molly Pitcher

I wish former Senator Jesse Helms was young enough to run for President. You want a REAL conservative?

He's one of the few remaining.


16 posted on 06/16/2005 5:23:29 AM PDT by Mad Mammoth
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To: Gipper08

Lincoln had not been in the House for over 15 years, and Garfireld was Speaker. Lincoln had the advantage of a FOUR way race that allowed him to win with 39% of the vote. We won't have that this time.

I like Pence, but of the papabile, I would go with Brownback, and then Allen.


17 posted on 06/16/2005 5:33:54 AM PDT by sittnick (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: sittnick

Lincoln had not been in the House for 12 years, having just served the one term and not running for a 2nd. He was actually offered, but refused, the Governorship of the Oregon Territory. James Garfield never served as Speaker, though did serve in the House, but he was a Senator-elect when he took office as President.


18 posted on 06/16/2005 5:43:03 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (*Gregoire is French for Stealing an Election*)
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To: Gipper08
What I was driving at, was that communication has strengthened our position. In '64, the left knew how to manipulate the media when it came to reaching the masses. They were able to destroy Goldwater. '76 was post Watergate and Viet Nam. Again, the concept of voting Republican was successfully portrayed as an act of pure evil. As things stand as I write, I doubt they could get by with these tactics today. Of course, things can change, as things change at a more rapid pace in our modern age. That's why the left is trying so hard to make hay with the "mistreatment" of prisoner story. The left is in desperate need of a mushroom cloud obliterating a little girl picking daisies commercial, or proof of Republican misdeeds to hang their hat on. Even then, because they don't control the free flow of information (which is why they fear the Internet and talk radio), I can't see them getting by with it (like trying to pass off hokey documents on CBS.)

On the subject of the battle for control of the party, yes, it can get a bit sticky. But the more liberal wing of the Republican Party, has not strengthened it's position since McCain's failed run. In fact, I think their antics, siding with obstructionist Democrats, has made them weaker in the eyes of the rank and file.

As for the broader subject of what defines "conservatism", well, your are correct. There are wings of the Republican Party that are after their "share of the pie". The Republican Party is a coalition party, of varying degrees of libertarianism, lying in bed with those who believe in varying degrees of Big Daddy Government themselves. The glue that has brought us together is the failure of 40 years of outright liberalism (perhaps I should outright communism.)

In any event, the roll back of government is not going to be successful no matter who we vote in as president in '08, if we don't change the courts, and that has to take place now.

As for myself, I don't know who I will be supporting in '08 at the present. However, even at this early date, I can say who I will not be supporting in the Repub primaries, and that will be any one who reminds me of McCain...
19 posted on 06/16/2005 5:52:38 AM PDT by LRS
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To: sittnick
Only Pence can unite fiscal,Social,immigration,and second amendment conservatives.Brownback's only support would come from social conservatives.Allen has the support of political insiders,political junkies etc.Allen will have a problem getting die hard pro life support and die hard fiscal conservative support.I am not interested in half of a conservative for President.
20 posted on 06/16/2005 5:56:32 AM PDT by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: LRS

I agree completly. We must have someone who can "manipulate" the media and not be demonized.We are stronger in communication than ever before.We msu have a great communicator.


21 posted on 06/16/2005 6:00:13 AM PDT by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: SteveMcKing

My husband and I met Mitt and his wife, on vacation, a few years back. He was warm and gracious.

The Boston Globe will do everything they can to do as much damage to him as they can.


22 posted on 06/16/2005 6:01:38 AM PDT by surrey
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To: Gipper08
With Romney,Pataki,Giuliani,and McCain all running this is our chance to get a real conservative in there.

Yeah. Romney gives me the creeps, but I think he has a better chance than any of the others to pass himself off as a true conservative. This reminds me a lot of Dukakis' "Miracle of Massachusetts" campaign. Romney gets high marks in "intangibles."

23 posted on 06/16/2005 6:01:52 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: sittnick

Also,the idea that you have to be Governor or a SENATOR (for crying out loud)to be President is nuts. The idea that 8 years in Washington is not enough "experience" to be President is anathema to everything conservatives believe in.I want the guy who has the most experience fighting Socialism.Pence has more of that than the entire field combined.BTW nationwide Pence's,Allen's and Brownback's name ID are all less than 5%,so that is a non factor.


24 posted on 06/16/2005 6:05:40 AM PDT by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: Aquinasfan

Yes,but we know the truth.This is to important to elect another moderate in conservatives clothing.


25 posted on 06/16/2005 6:07:27 AM PDT by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: linkinpunk

Romney is the epitome of a Country-club Republican RINO. He is and always has been a doormat in the state and has done absolutely nothing to build or strengthen the Republican party in mASSachusetts. His Lt. Governor is a North Shore blue-blood, political neophyte and social butterfly chosen because of her Irish sounding name. (Just like that well-know (Jewish) Celtic - John Kerry. It took Romney several months to get her name right, he kept miss-pronouncing it.

Not only do Romney advisors admit he is faking his stance but a few weeks ago the Sunday Boston Globe ran a story about a pro-Abortion medical 'hero' and clost friend of Romney who dropped the comment that behind the 'pro-life- facade' Romney adopts to quiet the rightwing nuts in the mASSachusetts Republican party - Romney is a normal person and a reliable protector of abortion.


26 posted on 06/16/2005 6:07:50 AM PDT by NHResident
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To: Molly Pitcher

The more I reconsider the field, the more Giuliani stands out as the only man who would prosecute the WOT better than Bush. Can someone convince him to become born-again?


27 posted on 06/16/2005 6:08:26 AM PDT by montag813
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To: montag813

only the Lord can do that


28 posted on 06/16/2005 6:10:32 AM PDT by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: NHResident

Sorry: 'clost' = close


29 posted on 06/16/2005 6:14:40 AM PDT by NHResident
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To: Gipper08
We must have someone who can "manipulate" the media and not be demonized.

HEAR! HEAR! I'LL SECOND THAT!!!

30 posted on 06/16/2005 6:15:29 AM PDT by LRS
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To: Gipper08
only the Lord can do that

Sorry, forgot the sarcasm tag

31 posted on 06/16/2005 6:16:51 AM PDT by montag813
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To: montag813

Your OK,I knew you were being sarcastic.My post was for others who are REALLY into expediency.


32 posted on 06/16/2005 6:18:46 AM PDT by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: LRS
The way the media treated Bush will help us.They treated him like he was some far right winger even as he was growing government like never before.The public has become desensitized to the Far right wing charges.We get a smiling-positive conservative like Pence up there and they will not be able to treat him worse than they treated Bush.You are right never again will the media be able to treat a nominee worse than they treated Bush unless we blow it and constantly put our foot in our mouth.
33 posted on 06/16/2005 6:22:52 AM PDT by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: Sybeck1

Expect Dems to play on those reigious bigotries as well. Also expect them to play up the fact that the LDS church is heirarchical and that the church leader claims to be a prophet.

Call me a pessimist, but I don't think a Mormon has a chance of winning the presidency in this country; he'll catch it from both ends: The conservative Christians think Mormonism is satanic, and liberals and moderates are terrified it will be a theocracy.


34 posted on 06/16/2005 6:23:21 AM PDT by frgoff
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To: Molly Pitcher
Mitt Romney:

Pro-abortion
Pro-gay
Anti-gun

That dog won't hunt

35 posted on 06/16/2005 6:48:54 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (Defeat Pat DeWine, RINO Mike DeWine's son! Tom Brinkman for Congress http://www.gobrinkman.com/)
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To: Sybeck1
Has Pence stated he's running? There hasn't been a President from the House since Van Buren I believe.

US Rep Geoff Davis of Kentucky
Veteran - retired Army Ranger
Studied Arabs at West Point and served in the Middle East
Businessman - founded manufacturing consulting company
Family man - married with six children
Social and fiscal conservative

Elect someone from the real world, not another pansy lawyer!

36 posted on 06/16/2005 6:57:50 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (Defeat Pat DeWine, RINO Mike DeWine's son! Tom Brinkman for Congress http://www.gobrinkman.com/)
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To: Gipper08; BlackElk

Thanks to the other poster for correcting my shoddy memory about Garfield and Lincoln.

Okay, I looked up Allen's abortion positions, and he is straining to be as pro-abort as he can get away with as a southern GOPer. As far as name recognition, once the connection is made with his VERY famous father (and NFLers have made pretty good pols), his recogntion would escalate quickly.

I can consider a politician who wants to fight for what we can now, and get the rest later when the time is right, but Allen makes more "exceptions" than he has to (he supports abortion for fetal abnormality...shades of the eugenicists!).

One of the reasons it is useful to be more than a Rep when running has nothing to do with Washington experience. It has to do with showing you can run (and win) a big campaign. Sitting Veeps are apprentices by virtue of having been close to the president, and getting a head start. Maxine Waters of course, is successful at winning a Rep seat, but could not win larger office even in California! Ron Paul and Chris Smith are excellent reps, but they would have similar problems.

Now, if Bush were interested in helping conservatives, instead of his Texas pals and '70's warmovers, he would have been placing guys like Pence in key positions. That didn't happen, so the bench is kind of lean. Think how much mileage Bill Bennett got just out of being Drug Tsar and Education Secretary. Heck, those two positions shouldn't even exist!


37 posted on 06/16/2005 7:05:10 AM PDT by sittnick (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: JohnnyZ; Sybeck1

One Davis does anyting to fight against socialism,I will consider him.There is nothing wrong with conservative lawyers.Pence has led the fight against socialism for the last few years and everyday he fights for us.For example,today he will led the debate for the Hyde-Pence U.N. Reform act where we could take 50% of their dues away if they do not reform.This is an everyday thing for Pence.Mike Pence gets things done.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/5/8/143759.shtml http://thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/031705/gop.html



http://thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/033005/pence.html


38 posted on 06/16/2005 7:09:37 AM PDT by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: Gipper08

Tell him to get a real job and then come back to me.


39 posted on 06/16/2005 7:18:37 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (Defeat Pat DeWine, RINO Mike DeWine's son! Tom Brinkman for Congress http://www.gobrinkman.com/)
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To: Gipper08

What happens if the Democrats start sneaking in there and voting for McCain?
If McCain gets on the ticket than the Democrats have two good choices for president.


40 posted on 06/16/2005 7:21:40 AM PDT by mowkeka
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To: JohnnyZ
You do know that he never really practiced don't you? Really he was a political activist his whole life and he may have practiced all of two years.He was a think tank President(like Tancredo) most of the time and he ran for congress twice and lost.Then he was a popular talk show host.Two years after he got his JD he started running.He is the rare example of a professional(career) politician who does not sell out.
41 posted on 06/16/2005 7:23:09 AM PDT by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: mowkeka

That is why WE MUST organize and back a true conservative early on.


42 posted on 06/16/2005 7:24:18 AM PDT by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: Gipper08
Really he was a political activist his whole life and he may have practiced all of two years.

Like I said, GET A REAL JOB!

43 posted on 06/16/2005 7:28:49 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (Defeat Pat DeWine, RINO Mike DeWine's son! Tom Brinkman for Congress http://www.gobrinkman.com/)
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To: JohnnyZ

Chairman of the Republican study Committee is a real job.What do you do?


44 posted on 06/16/2005 7:29:55 AM PDT by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: Gipper08
I have a real job PLUS I'm a "lifelong political activist".

Guess I'm way more qualified that your buddy to be President.

45 posted on 06/16/2005 7:32:48 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (Defeat Pat DeWine, RINO Mike DeWine's son! Tom Brinkman for Congress http://www.gobrinkman.com/)
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To: JohnnyZ
"lifelong political activist"


Yes but Pence is good at it.Apparently so am I since Newsmax considers me" an influential conservative leader"
You need to spend less time a "your real job" and more at political activism.
46 posted on 06/16/2005 7:36:41 AM PDT by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: JohnnyZ

I would rather have a conservative lawyer than a conservative non-lawyer any day. It's easier to make laws that advance your cause when you know how the legal system works. Look at what the Dems have done with the ABA and the judiciary on their side.


47 posted on 06/16/2005 8:29:24 AM PDT by Texas Federalist (No matter what my work/play ratio is, I am never a dull boy.)
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To: Texas Federalist

And I would rather have someone who has had to live a real life and work real jobs under those laws the lawyers wrote to screw him at every turn and tell him how to run his life and his business.


48 posted on 06/16/2005 8:33:48 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (Defeat Pat DeWine, RINO Mike DeWine's son! Tom Brinkman for Congress http://www.gobrinkman.com/)
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