Nevada lawmakers move to protect immigrants

Las VegaS sUN ^ | June 17, 2005 | KATHLEEN HENNESSEY

[bayourod]

"bayourod know they're supposed to feel happy about it, since it's now legal"

You, not I, are the one who feels happy about something simply because it is legal. You, not I are the one who likes "legal" immigrants but dislikes "illegal" immigrants for no other reason than the present law says they are illegal.

I am the one who has said many times that I don't base my opinion of what is right or wrong, good or bad, just or unjust, solely on what the law says.

I am the one who has pointed out many times that the law says abortion is legal but I believe that it is wrong.

You are the one, not I, who says that he is unable to judge a man on his own merits, but rather must wait until the government tells you whether his immigration papers are in order.

Again, if the only reason you dislike someone is because he is illegal, if the government makes him legal, then you have no reason to dislike him.

[bayourod]

"The Fourteenth Amendment has been misinterpreted."

That's only your opinion, not the the opinion of the courts. Marberry v Madison didn't mention your opinion hasving any weight, only the Supreme Court's opinion.

[Auntie Dem]

But the fact remains that legally the employers have to withold taxes from "employees" and when they don't they can be prosecuted and sent to prison.

There are a lot of tax cheats, but that doesn't deny the fact that the laws still exist. There are a lot of people who violate traffic laws also.

So because we have home-grown tax cheats we should let the illegals cheat us too? In fact, if we don't let them cheat us we're being racist--according to them (and the rats).

No one--I repeat--No one has ever gone to prison for not sending a 1099 to the IRS.

[JCEccles]

You, not I are the one who likes "legal" immigrants but dislikes "illegal" immigrants for no other reason than the present law says they are illegal.

Again, I like border controls that are enforced in the same way that I like trespass laws that are enforced. There is an important purpose behind such controls and laws. Anyone who would argue, as you do, that the way to eliminate rampant trespassing is to change the laws so that those who trespass are given immunity and allowed to come and go as they please, is in desperate need of an injection of logic and common sense to cool their fever.

[bayourod]

"OK then, let's change the Law so I can Legally rob Banks, problem solved."

It would be solved if the only reason people opposed bank robbery was because it was illegal. But I've never heard anyone say "I'm only against illegal bank robbers, not legal bank robbers."

The antis who say "I'm only opposed to illegal immigrants, not legal immigrants", are either intentionally hiding their real reasons or simply aren't articulate enough to enunciate them, so in frustration they resort to screaming "What don't you understand about illegal."

[bayourod]

"Your desire to make all illegal aliens legal is another example of the same..."

I don't desire to make all illegals legal, I support President Bush's immigration reforms and have consistently said so for five years.

[MARTIAL MONK]

Today it's easier to just to pop the top on another beer and let the wife/girlfriend/parents pay the bills.

The fastest growing welfare population is not the Messicans. It is Social Security Disability for white males from 30 to 50. They can pull $800 or $900 a month from Uncle Sugar, let Bessie work at the Beer and Blow, and work UNDER THE TABLE FOR CASH when the stash runs low. Lots of fishin' and the checks come regular. Tain't a bad life.

Guess who does the real work.

[mthom]

But I've never heard anyone say "I'm only against illegal bank robbers, not legal bank robbers."
A better and more honest analogy would be: "Im only against bank robbers, not legal withdrawls."

Its that they didnt respect our laws enough to wait in line like legal immigrants. But I do have less of a problem with them than I do with our elected officials who undermine and refuse to enforce our laws instead of making a case for their support of open borders.

[Jeff Head]

From your post 16:

The solution is obviously simple; just change the law to legalize the ones who are illegal.

Sounded like it to me.

I agree that we need to reform our immigration laws so that we address the issues of the day. It needs to be done in a manner that does not reward curent illegal behavior and thereby encourage and invite more. The resulting laws of the land need to be enforced and the borders secured.

Those violating the immigration laws need to be sent home. Those employers hiring the illegals need to be prosecuted according to the law. That needs to happen with both the existing laws, and with whatever reform we come up with.

[monkeywrench]

Source?

[mthom]

The fear of deportation is the only thing keeping a larger portion of illegals off of welfare but dont fool yourself there are many that already are. I do find it funny that you have to put down the "white" work ethic in order to justify hiring illegals. Illegals go cheaper and you dont have to pay all the workmans comp, etc, just be honest.

[primeval patriot]

The fastest growing welfare population is...Social Security Disability for white males from 30 to 50.

Post a link.

Guess who does the real work.

Such contempt for Americans. Shame.

[primeval patriot]

Today it's easier to just to pop the top on another beer and let the wife/girlfriend/parents pay the bills.

What happened to the wife working at the tit bar while the old man drinks beer on the couch?

Are you toning down your Hate Americans First rhetoric?

[Liz]

Mexico immigration laws - Respect for the law is important.

Entering Mexico without documents is sanctioned by law.



Consejo Consultivo
Migratorio
La Paz

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The ley General de Publacion and its By-Laws that regulate your admission stay and departure from Mexico. The Constitucion Politica de las Estados Unidas Mexicanos.

Article 1

In the United States of Mexico every individual will enjoy the guarantees granted in this Constitution and these cannot be restricted or suspended, except in those
cases and under the conditions established below.


When you enter the country as a "tourist", you are allowed to remain for a maximum of 180 days for the purposes of recreation, health, artistic or sports activities.

You may not work in Mexico.

If you arrive by air: You must have your immigration form and present it to the immigration authorities upon arrival at the airport of your destination within Mexico.


If you arrive by road: You must request your immigration form after having paid the tourist fees at a local bank. Your vehicle must leave the country when your tourist card expires. You cannot sell your car within Mexico nor use it for any other unauthorized purpose.

If you arrive by sea: You must obtain your immigration permit after having paid the fees at the port of entrance. Once your authorized 180 days are up, you must leave the country.


If you wish to re-enter the country: You can do so with a new immigration form granted by the immigration authorities at the place of entry after having paid the corresponding fee.


You may extend your stay in Mexico as a: Person of independent means: Defined as one who lives off of income generated outside of Mexico.

Financially dependent person: Defined as one who is economically dependent on a spouse or blood relative.

In a position of trust: Defined as a person who assumes a sole managerial role or some other position of absolute trust in established Mexican companies or institutions.


Student: Defined as a person who begins, finishes or perfects his studies in Mexico. Once the student terminates his/her studies, he/she must leave the country.


Religious minister or associate: Defined as an active minister of any religion or a person who performs social or philanthropic acts. In this case, you must register with the "Secretaria de Gobernación".


Political exile: Defined as a person who enters the country to protect his/her liberty or life, from political persecution in his/her country of origin. You must have permission from the "Secretaria de Gobernación" and you may not leave the country without permission from the Secretaria if your request is granted.


Business visitor or investor: Defined as a person who enters the country for the purpose of seeking alternate investment prospects or for carrying these out. In this case, the foreigner must comply with the Foreign Investment Law requirements.


Transmigrant: Defined as person who is in transit to another country and passes through Mexican territory. A Transmigrant has the right to remain in the country for a maximum of 30 days.


To obtain an extension of the aforementioned categories you must go to the immigration department, (Instituto National de Migración) taking with you your immigration form and valid passport, where upon fulfilling all additional requirements and having paid the corresponding fees, the extension of your mmigration document can be authorized.


You may extend your stay on four occasions, each for maximum of 365 days. With the authorization to remain in Mexico temporarily, you may enter or leave the country without any restrictions, except in the case of a tourist.


With regard to all the above categories, if you wish to acquire some property, you may do so after fulfilling the necessary legal requirements.

You must never have two immigration documents simultaneously.


All foreigners entering the country, except in a case of a tourist, must request their name be entered in the National Foreigner’s Registry.


Once you have obtained a permanent address in Mexico, you have 30 days in which to request that your address, or change of, be noted in your immigration document.


During your stay in Mexico, if your civil status changes, you must notify the immigration authorities within a maximum of 30 days from the event.


In the case of marriage to a Mexican national, or adoptions, you will be required to obtain the Immigration department’s authorization.


To extend your activities, or change employer, you require the Immigration Department’s authorization and payment of the corresponding fee.


In the case of loss or theft of your immigration document, you must file a report before the State Attorney General, (Procuraduría General de Justicia del Estado).


To obtain a replacement of your immigration document, you must present a photocopy of the above report.


If you wish to leave the country and your immigration document is being processed, notify the department and you may obtain an exit and re-entry permit valid for a maximum of 45 days.


If you wish to leave the country, you must hand in your immigration document to the immigration department before you leave.

[bayourod]

"we should let the illegals cheat us too? "

No one said that. All that has been said is that taxes are not voluntary. Illegals and their employers are legally obligated to pay taxes just like everyone else.

The misunderstanding comes from the anti-illegals who continuously repeat the lie the "illegals don't pay taxes".

There are some not very well educated people who think that illegals are not legally required to pay taxes.

By the way, illegals are also subject to the military draft when it is active.

[MARTIAL MONK]

There were three articles here on FR about the SS. I'm sure I saved them. I'll try to dig them up.

I had a construction company for years and starting about '95 or '96 I couldn't go in a bar without being approached with an offer to work under the table for cash. I hired day labor a couple of times for casual labor for cleanup. It wasn't worth the bother. Everyone I hired was skill based, not the cheapest. Everyone had to have documentation. An uninsured crew was too much of a liability.

[Madame Dufarge]

Now, I have only one issue with the 14th amendment. I do not believe it was ever intended to be a free ride for people breaking the law to get here just to take advantage of it. That needs, IMHO, to be rectified and the "law" the congress passed would have to take the form of a constitutional amendment that the people of the various states would vote on.

...and I'll bet you, if it were ever passed on to the states for ratification, it would pass

I am in 100% agreement.

[monkeywrench]

"This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country.[1]

"It is clear the framers of the Fourteenth Amendment had no intention of freely giving away American citizenship to just anyone simply because they may have been born on American soil, something our courts have wrongfully assumed..."

40 lodwick

There are many sources out there that quote Senator Jacob Howard, and what he intended with the 14th ammendment.

[mthom]

"By the way, illegals are also subject to the military draft when it is active."

Im sure theyd serve if drafted.

[Jeff Head]

IMHO, those in favor of open borders know it too and will fight any such initiative tooth and nail to keep it from ever getting passed in congress in the first place so as to not allow it to come before the people directly.