Posted on 06/17/2005 9:26:27 PM PDT by CHARLITE
And yes you are right. Not only are the arguements (from Bush as Well) promoting anarchy, but preying on the miseries of people that have the misfortune to be born and live in a socialist pig sty called Mexico,
The later, more than likely. The former less than likely.
Depends on what your idea of "conservation" is. If it's saving the spotted owls, it's possible that is true.
What a lie!! We are supposed to believe that importing illiterate, American welfare-dependent, possibly diseased people from a failed third world country is the ONLY way to save America?
They'll never sell this whopper to Americans, because we know it's a lie.
The only way to discourage "the rest" is to cut off all benefits of American citizenship to ALL illegal aliens, build a wall, and actually ENFORCE EXISTING IMMIGRATION LAWS.
Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!
Be Ever Vigilant!
Minutemen Patriots ~ Bump!
Yes, this is what we get from our media. They join with the democrats and fund these attack ads. They organize marches and bus sympathetic voters in. There are lots of "Americans of Hispanic descent" who are not friends of illegal immigration. But I bet they "take in " cousins who are new in country and help them find work too. In other words they realize we may all be better off with less legal immigration and zero illegal immigration but in the community they live in they stand unided against the native population whom they consider to be against them. This is how gangs infiltrate the hispanic communitities as well. In the privacy of the voting booth they may be opposed, but when peer pressure is present they cave.
True enough...
Our national message has to be, IMHO, that immigrants are welcome, but illegal immigrants will be treated as the criminals they are. A healthy immigration/guest worker (green card) program should be in place that is in keeping with our true nation needs, with the intent that those immigrating and looking to citizenship are assimilated as American citizens with an understanding of our laws, constitution and an ability to speak the language...otherwise, no citizenship. Such a program then needs to be strictly adhered to and inforced, with no amnesty or free pass for the ones already here illegally. The borders then need to be firmed up, controlled, and seriously patroled to prevent illegal entry.
As to the illegals themselves, IMHO, the answer is (new ones or older ones already here) to deport every one of them, place thier names and fingerprints on a list, and then make sure they know if they are caught illegally back in the country they will go to prison and spend a minimum of five years building those buildings, digging those ditches, harvesting those crops for free...before they again are deported with the message that the next infraction brings on a ten year sentence of the same.
Then, we need to have just as stiff an enforcement on those Americans who knowingly hire the illegals, stiffly fining them to begin with, and building on that depending on the nature and size of the infrction, to where they also serve time in the gray rock motel.
Such a program may be somewhat painful at first...but not nearly as painful as what is coming if we do not get a firm handle and control on this issue.
Just my opinion.
Pretty well reasoned opinion, Jeff. I like your idea of acknowledging that some level of need exists for the labor, but I wouldn't fix that before working to secure the borders...I'd do borders first and immigration quotas second.
That's the only difference I have with what you say.
You'll get no arguement from me on that.
Didn't think so!
IMHO, the illegals themselves, along with the rest of the world, are laughiing at such foolishness...and then capitalizing on it.
Our national message has to be, IMHO, that immigrants are welcome, but illegal immigrants will be treated as the criminals they are. A healthy immigration/guest worker (green card) program should be in place that is in keeping with our true nation needs, with the intent that those immigrating and looking to citizenship are assimilated as American citizens with an understanding of our laws, constitution and an ability to speak the language...otherwise, no citizenship.
Such a program then needs to be strictly adhered to and enforced (with enforcment coming first), with no amnesty or free pass for the ones already here illegally. The borders then need to be firmed up, controlled, and seriously patroled to prevent illegal entry.
As to eforcement and the illegals themselves, IMHO, the answer is (new ones or older ones already here) to deport every one of them, place thier names and fingerprints on a list, and then make sure they know if they are caught illegally back in the country they will go to prison and spend a minimum of five years building those buildings, digging those ditches, harvesting those crops for free...before they again are deported with the message that the next infraction brings on a ten year sentence of the same.
Then, we need to have just as stiff an enforcement on those Americans who knowingly hire the illegals, stiffly fining them to begin with, and building on that depending on the nature and size of the infrction, to where they also serve time in the gray rock motel.
Such a program may be somewhat painful at first...but not nearly as painful as what is coming if we do not get a firm handle and control on this issue.
Just my opinion.
Right, and then we all die of leprosy and Chagas, our entire southwest becomes Aztlan and whites are kicked out or killed, drugs and violent criminal gangs become more prevalent than they already are, terrorists are allowed in at will, healthcare costs skyrocket and more hospitals are shut down, our public education drowns in a quagmire, George Soros gets elected President because illegals can now vote and he's the main one pushing for this, the U.S. becomes the third world from overpopulation, somebody here illegally who's stolen my social security number isn't trying to get a job/house/car in my name or on my credit, etc. etc. etc.
I can't believe this was actually posted. I want Borderless Bush impeached for the way that he has deserted America on this issue. I'll pay extra for lettuce that I know hasn't touched hands that were infested with trypanosome. I'll pay more to have my lawn cut or my deck powerwashed if I know that the people who do it aren't going to kill me later for my skin color.
The only reason that Borderless Bush isn't doing anything about this is that he's afraid of offending Hispanics and his buddies in corporate America who want to hire cheap labor at the expense of public safety. I can't believe I voted for the man twice. He really put one over on me and the rest of America. Or Los Estados Unidos d'Americo, as it will be known after his term. Then he'll go down to Mexico and be Vicente Fox's V.P.
I post many items (possibly 10% of all that I post) with which I don't personally agree, but I put them up for the discussion value. Same MO as when Rush Limbaugh (and also Sean Hannity and many others) invite or actively solicit liberal screamers onto their shows. It reveals what they ARE, and it gives conservatives "fodder" with which to develop good, educated counter arguments.
If all we ever posted on FR were items with which 99% of us agree, then it would be preaching to the choir. Opposition arguments (articles) sharpen our debating skills!
Thanks for your remarks. The grim scenario that you paint can indeed become the reality in America, if something effective is not done........and fairly soon.
Char
As for the Government. The members of the DEA,FBI etc etc are just as comlicit as the employers. It is their job to protect the American Constitution, not aid and abet the anarchist (all of them) that are working to destroy it.
I'm sorry for the poor choice of words. I think what I meant to say was written. It's a sad day when the Seattle Times agrees with our Republican President.
Tancredo/Miller '08
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