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A pragmatic approach to illegal immigration - (bolsters, explains Bush's position)
SEATTLE TIMES.COM ^ | JUNE 17, 2005 | GREG JAMES

Posted on 06/17/2005 9:26:27 PM PDT by CHARLITE

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To: seowulf
I was corrected the other day on the date for the cotton Gin. Apparently it wasn't needed with all that CHEAP labor. I guess when slavery ended they had no choice but to use the invention.

And yes you are right. Not only are the arguements (from Bush as Well) promoting anarchy, but preying on the miseries of people that have the misfortune to be born and live in a socialist pig sty called Mexico,

61 posted on 06/18/2005 9:15:41 AM PDT by marty60
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To: DoughtyOne
Mr.James is "a member of numerous conservation groups and the American Civil Liberties Union."

The later, more than likely. The former less than likely.

Depends on what your idea of "conservation" is. If it's saving the spotted owls, it's possible that is true.

62 posted on 06/18/2005 10:40:39 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: CHARLITE
In essence, you have a system that encourages the most desirable illegal immigrants, and discourages the rest.

What a lie!! We are supposed to believe that importing illiterate, American welfare-dependent, possibly diseased people from a failed third world country is the ONLY way to save America?

They'll never sell this whopper to Americans, because we know it's a lie.

The only way to discourage "the rest" is to cut off all benefits of American citizenship to ALL illegal aliens, build a wall, and actually ENFORCE EXISTING IMMIGRATION LAWS.

63 posted on 06/18/2005 11:17:30 AM PDT by janetgreen
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To: DuncanWaring
if the picker is picking one head of lettuce a minute, that works out to 33 cents per head.

      LOL!  Amazing how enlightening a little grade school arithmetic can be. 
      And, increasing legal wages would improve the Social Security situation ...
64 posted on 06/18/2005 12:30:25 PM PDT by Celtman (It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
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To: HiJinx

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Be Ever Vigilant!

Minutemen Patriots ~ Bump!


65 posted on 06/18/2005 12:37:17 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
Attack, attack, attack! Moderate Republicans like Jack Kemp and Jeb Bush joined in the attack, attack, attack! MSM employees helped lead the attack, attack, attack!

Yes, this is what we get from our media. They join with the democrats and fund these attack ads. They organize marches and bus sympathetic voters in. There are lots of "Americans of Hispanic descent" who are not friends of illegal immigration. But I bet they "take in " cousins who are new in country and help them find work too. In other words they realize we may all be better off with less legal immigration and zero illegal immigration but in the community they live in they stand unided against the native population whom they consider to be against them. This is how gangs infiltrate the hispanic communitities as well. In the privacy of the voting booth they may be opposed, but when peer pressure is present they cave.

66 posted on 06/18/2005 1:34:52 PM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: ozarkgirl

True enough...


67 posted on 06/18/2005 3:13:27 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: HiJinx; Happy2BMe; CHARLITE; pillbox_girl; marty60; Mobilemitter
The illegals themselves, along with the rest of the world, are laughiing at such foolishness...and then capitalizing on it.

Our national message has to be, IMHO, that immigrants are welcome, but illegal immigrants will be treated as the criminals they are. A healthy immigration/guest worker (green card) program should be in place that is in keeping with our true nation needs, with the intent that those immigrating and looking to citizenship are assimilated as American citizens with an understanding of our laws, constitution and an ability to speak the language...otherwise, no citizenship. Such a program then needs to be strictly adhered to and inforced, with no amnesty or free pass for the ones already here illegally. The borders then need to be firmed up, controlled, and seriously patroled to prevent illegal entry.

As to the illegals themselves, IMHO, the answer is (new ones or older ones already here) to deport every one of them, place thier names and fingerprints on a list, and then make sure they know if they are caught illegally back in the country they will go to prison and spend a minimum of five years building those buildings, digging those ditches, harvesting those crops for free...before they again are deported with the message that the next infraction brings on a ten year sentence of the same.

Then, we need to have just as stiff an enforcement on those Americans who knowingly hire the illegals, stiffly fining them to begin with, and building on that depending on the nature and size of the infrction, to where they also serve time in the gray rock motel.

Such a program may be somewhat painful at first...but not nearly as painful as what is coming if we do not get a firm handle and control on this issue.

Just my opinion.

68 posted on 06/20/2005 3:09:43 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Jeff Head
Just my opinion.

Pretty well reasoned opinion, Jeff. I like your idea of acknowledging that some level of need exists for the labor, but I wouldn't fix that before working to secure the borders...I'd do borders first and immigration quotas second.

That's the only difference I have with what you say.

69 posted on 06/20/2005 3:17:47 PM PDT by HiJinx (Remember, you have to seal the dike before you can drain the swamp.)
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To: HiJinx

You'll get no arguement from me on that.


70 posted on 06/20/2005 3:18:26 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Jeff Head

Didn't think so!


71 posted on 06/20/2005 3:22:19 PM PDT by HiJinx (Remember, you have to seal the dike before you can drain the swamp.)
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To: HiJinx
Here it is reworded...
IMHO, the illegals themselves, along with the rest of the world, are laughiing at such foolishness...and then capitalizing on it.

Our national message has to be, IMHO, that immigrants are welcome, but illegal immigrants will be treated as the criminals they are. A healthy immigration/guest worker (green card) program should be in place that is in keeping with our true nation needs, with the intent that those immigrating and looking to citizenship are assimilated as American citizens with an understanding of our laws, constitution and an ability to speak the language...otherwise, no citizenship.

Such a program then needs to be strictly adhered to and enforced (with enforcment coming first), with no amnesty or free pass for the ones already here illegally. The borders then need to be firmed up, controlled, and seriously patroled to prevent illegal entry.

As to eforcement and the illegals themselves, IMHO, the answer is (new ones or older ones already here) to deport every one of them, place thier names and fingerprints on a list, and then make sure they know if they are caught illegally back in the country they will go to prison and spend a minimum of five years building those buildings, digging those ditches, harvesting those crops for free...before they again are deported with the message that the next infraction brings on a ten year sentence of the same.

Then, we need to have just as stiff an enforcement on those Americans who knowingly hire the illegals, stiffly fining them to begin with, and building on that depending on the nature and size of the infrction, to where they also serve time in the gray rock motel.

Such a program may be somewhat painful at first...but not nearly as painful as what is coming if we do not get a firm handle and control on this issue.

Just my opinion.

72 posted on 06/20/2005 3:26:12 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: CHARLITE

Right, and then we all die of leprosy and Chagas, our entire southwest becomes Aztlan and whites are kicked out or killed, drugs and violent criminal gangs become more prevalent than they already are, terrorists are allowed in at will, healthcare costs skyrocket and more hospitals are shut down, our public education drowns in a quagmire, George Soros gets elected President because illegals can now vote and he's the main one pushing for this, the U.S. becomes the third world from overpopulation, somebody here illegally who's stolen my social security number isn't trying to get a job/house/car in my name or on my credit, etc. etc. etc.

I can't believe this was actually posted. I want Borderless Bush impeached for the way that he has deserted America on this issue. I'll pay extra for lettuce that I know hasn't touched hands that were infested with trypanosome. I'll pay more to have my lawn cut or my deck powerwashed if I know that the people who do it aren't going to kill me later for my skin color.

The only reason that Borderless Bush isn't doing anything about this is that he's afraid of offending Hispanics and his buddies in corporate America who want to hire cheap labor at the expense of public safety. I can't believe I voted for the man twice. He really put one over on me and the rest of America. Or Los Estados Unidos d'Americo, as it will be known after his term. Then he'll go down to Mexico and be Vicente Fox's V.P.


73 posted on 06/20/2005 3:40:01 PM PDT by NHAntiMassRedRebel (Our only fault is that we're 40 minutes north of Boston.)
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To: NHAntiMassRedRebel
"I can't believe this was actually posted."

I post many items (possibly 10% of all that I post) with which I don't personally agree, but I put them up for the discussion value. Same MO as when Rush Limbaugh (and also Sean Hannity and many others) invite or actively solicit liberal screamers onto their shows. It reveals what they ARE, and it gives conservatives "fodder" with which to develop good, educated counter arguments.

If all we ever posted on FR were items with which 99% of us agree, then it would be preaching to the choir. Opposition arguments (articles) sharpen our debating skills!

Thanks for your remarks. The grim scenario that you paint can indeed become the reality in America, if something effective is not done........and fairly soon.

Char

74 posted on 06/20/2005 9:25:17 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: Jeff Head
Nothing here I disagree with. BUT,I AM SICK OF THE EMPLOYERS OF THESE CRIMINALS ARE TREATED AS INNOCENT "victims" OF THE LZY AMERICANS THAT WILL NOT DO THE WORK. These employers are practicing anarchy. Using lawbreakers to break the law. Looking the other way and when anyone points this out to them, they get indignant and seem shocked to find out they are no different than the hooded anarchist that terrorize every economic meeting.

As for the Government. The members of the DEA,FBI etc etc are just as comlicit as the employers. It is their job to protect the American Constitution, not aid and abet the anarchist (all of them) that are working to destroy it.

75 posted on 06/20/2005 10:30:03 PM PDT by marty60
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To: CHARLITE

I'm sorry for the poor choice of words. I think what I meant to say was written. It's a sad day when the Seattle Times agrees with our Republican President.

Tancredo/Miller '08


76 posted on 06/21/2005 5:09:36 PM PDT by NHAntiMassRedRebel (Our only fault is that we're 40 minutes north of Boston.)
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