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To: ProudVet77

There is nothing France from selling AWACS eventually. There is nothing stopping Russia from selling them and alot of other high tech weapons.

Our F-15s didn't do so well against the Su-29s? in the Indian AF...they didn't use the 30 models that they had. So, our aircraft are not invincible to good tactics and comparable aircraft...the 29s and 30 are much better at dogfighting and maneuvering than our aircraft...If China used J-8 to keep us busy, J10s and Su-30s could put us into some sticky situations.


12 posted on 06/20/2005 8:09:29 PM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: rbmillerjr

France can not sell AWACS to China under an EU treaty. They do that and we sell Taiwan a ton of stuff. The Soviet
AWACS is poor at best at this time. FWIW - France buys our AWACS. Do you think we sell them the whole package?
Did you know the rules of engagment during the excercise with India? We were not permitted to use our latest missiles, no AWACS and not the latest F-15 radar. No wonder they won. That excercise was used by the air force to get more F-22s. Which is fine with me as they are an incredible plane.
The USAF plan is not to dogfight. Using AWACS we go in under EMCON and launch AMRAAMs before they can do anything to us. We will fight BVR. That tactic maximizes advantage of our technology. The AMRAAM is guided by GPS cordiantes updated constantly. No radar, no warning to the bad guys. Only in the last 2 or 3 miles does the homing radar go active. They will hear the sound of the RWR go off, and then boom.
As to the Chinese airforce, one Arleigh Burke destroyer has 96 launch cells. We can put 4 ESSMs in one cell. The Japanese who will be in this will have about 8 Kongo class destroyers, which are like large versions of the Arleigh Burke. And one PAC-III battery has 128 missiles. We just deployed a battery around Tokyo. We also are selling several batteries to Taiwan, to add to their PAC-II patriot batteries.


17 posted on 06/20/2005 8:22:26 PM PDT by ProudVet77 (NASCAR - Because it's the way Americans drive.)
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To: rbmillerjr
I have kept telling people on this forum that Chinese aren't the military juggernaut that right claims, but we aren't going to convince them.

The ability to build a military with global reach isn't a easy task. If weren't we would have dozens of super powers.

They do have a version of the AWACS,IL-76 Russian adapted aircraft, and they are building their own version EP-3. Type 99 tank is going into production, and the Chinese are increasing their naval power, 8 new diesel subs, 4 Sovremenny Destroyers and some space technology.

Even with this, they are a long way from a six hundred ship navy the Soviets had, and the three hundred ship navy we currently have. We have 13 CBGs with 80+ strike per carrier, and each aircraft can handle 10,000+ pounds of ordinance with each sortie. Enumeration of our capabilities would be redundant, but it's the technology gap, which grows with every day, that is the problem for the Chinese.

Example: J-10, SU incarnations vs F-22 JXX (2015-2020 proposed operational range) vs JSF (2010-2012), No CGBs vs new Generation of CGBs for the US. B-1B Sprit Bomber vs a proposed purchase of Backfire Bombers and the lame indeginous bombers. Future Combat Systems coming on-line in the US vs no such systems in the PLA.

I could go on but nothing I say is going tamp down the hysteria surrounding the Chinese military build-up.
30 posted on 06/21/2005 6:10:26 AM PDT by Kuehn12 (Kuehn12)
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