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You Saw Them Here First (Copies of Kerry's 180)
Powerline ^ | June 20, 2005

Posted on 06/20/2005 8:24:53 PM PDT by hipaatwo

Via the Freedom of Information Act, a reader obtained copies of the Form 180s that were recently signed by John Kerry to permit, at long last, the release of his military records. I believe there may be a story about this in the New York Sun tomorrow, and no doubt more commentary will be forthcoming over the next few days. Here are the three documents that Kerry signed; on their face, I don't see anything wrong with them, but then, I'm no expert in military personnel records. We look forward to our readers' comments.

Go to the link..there are 3 pages.


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1 posted on 06/20/2005 8:24:53 PM PDT by hipaatwo
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To: hipaatwo

Someone want to interpret them for us? Anything there?


2 posted on 06/20/2005 8:26:27 PM PDT by bnelson44
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To: hipaatwo

Not so sure about his "180's" but I sure saw him do a bunch of "360's" while campaigning.


3 posted on 06/20/2005 8:27:12 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: hipaatwo

I wonder what freeper will find "it". Like the Freeper that noticed the Microsoft Word "th" that did in Dan Rather, I wonder who will find (if it wasn't removed) the smoking gun...


4 posted on 06/20/2005 8:27:41 PM PDT by icwhatudo (The rino borg...is resistance futile?)
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To: All

I posted it to Tonk and Old Sarge in the Canteen. I'm hoping someone can figure them out. I'm clueless.


5 posted on 06/20/2005 8:28:44 PM PDT by hipaatwo (When you're in trouble you want all your friends around you...preferably armed!)
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To: hipaatwo

BTTT


6 posted on 06/20/2005 8:30:15 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: hipaatwo

So, the single copy goes to a reporter at the Boston Globe. How convenient...


7 posted on 06/20/2005 8:31:00 PM PDT by Born Conservative ("If not us, who? And if not now, when? - Ronald Reagan)
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To: hipaatwo

so... nobody else can get a copy, just the Boston Globe reporter Kranish?


8 posted on 06/20/2005 8:31:31 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: hipaatwo

btt


9 posted on 06/20/2005 8:32:50 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: hipaatwo
Copy 1 he checks the box as the military requester to the Boston Globe.
Copy 2 and 3 he leaves off the requester.
Accident or technicality?
10 posted on 06/20/2005 8:33:17 PM PDT by tobyhill (The war on terrorism is not for the weak!)
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To: hipaatwo
It's the same page, 3x, to three different people.Each one emphasizes that it is a "single, one time release". JFnK didn't put the dates of service in, just wrote "11 yrs" where the dates should be put. That seems rather odd, especially when you read the fine print on the docs, they (the military) seem rather big on dates.
11 posted on 06/20/2005 8:34:48 PM PDT by blu (This post edited for brevity.)
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To: hipaatwo

Boston Globe, AP and La Times... wow a good list of objective reporters... /sarcasm.


12 posted on 06/20/2005 8:35:19 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: hipaatwo
The SF 180s reproduced grant permission for a "one-time" release of his records to a reporter from the Boston Globe, a reporter the LA Times & a reporter from AP.

I'd be more impressed if they granted to any & everybody -- which is more or less what Dubya did. Or granted it to John O'Neill & the Wall Street Journal.

The cover up continues, I think.

13 posted on 06/20/2005 8:35:38 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: tobyhill
One was for the Boston Globe, one for the Associated Press,and one for the LA Times.

Where are our 180 experts?

14 posted on 06/20/2005 8:37:04 PM PDT by blu (This post edited for brevity.)
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To: Echo Talon
---so... nobody else can get a copy, just the Boston Globe reporter Kranish?---

it said "single, one time only", so it sounds like it.

15 posted on 06/20/2005 8:37:48 PM PDT by smonk
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To: hipaatwo
Kerry only states US Navy but is the Navy Reserves included in the category?
16 posted on 06/20/2005 8:38:17 PM PDT by tobyhill (The war on terrorism is not for the weak!)
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To: blu
looks like we are at another roadblock Kerry is now hiding behind these liberal journalists
17 posted on 06/20/2005 8:39:38 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: tobyhill

I can't tell. I saw Reserves but it wasn't checked.


18 posted on 06/20/2005 8:39:45 PM PDT by hipaatwo (When you're in trouble you want all your friends around you...preferably armed!)
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To: blu

I think he wrote "all years," instead of "11 years," but the "a" is small and looks like a dot.


19 posted on 06/20/2005 8:40:39 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: hipaatwo

I tried to read them - it's a little rough - but it looks like the letter of the law has been fulfilled.


20 posted on 06/20/2005 8:42:41 PM PDT by Old Sarge (In for a penny, in for a pound, saddlin' up and Baghdad-bound!)
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To: blu
The checks are missing on Section 3 for the AP and LA Times copies. I believe Kerry made it seem like everyone would get a copy but by a technicality made sure Kranish got the exclusive view.
21 posted on 06/20/2005 8:43:00 PM PDT by tobyhill (The war on terrorism is not for the weak!)
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To: blu

Maybe it says "all years" ?


22 posted on 06/20/2005 8:45:17 PM PDT by WSGilcrest (Twink likes it!)
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To: Old Sarge

O.K. you would know much better than me. When you leaving?


23 posted on 06/20/2005 8:45:23 PM PDT by hipaatwo (When you're in trouble you want all your friends around you...preferably armed!)
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To: Jedidah
You're correct, thanks for catching that.

Also, let's all remember...these are not the actual documents that we want to see (character of separation...), they're just the permission slip to see the real thing. Hmmm...d'ya think the Globe reporter even looked at the actual docs, or did he just use his previous research?

24 posted on 06/20/2005 8:45:34 PM PDT by blu (This post edited for brevity.)
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To: hipaatwo

Hummm... so it is released, but not released... It might as well not of been released if all he allows is the most liberal buttkisser the viewership without the pajama FReepers to make sure they don't skip every other paragraph.


25 posted on 06/20/2005 8:47:16 PM PDT by LowOiL ("I am neither . I am a Christocrat" -Benjamin Rush)
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To: hipaatwo

Can't tell, yet..... ;]


26 posted on 06/20/2005 8:47:32 PM PDT by Old Sarge (In for a penny, in for a pound, saddlin' up and Baghdad-bound!)
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To: Ciexyz

OK...so he provided a copy to the Boston Globe, The LA Times and the Associated Press. Why only the records from his active duty period and not his Reserve duty? He has released the records from December 1966 to January 1970 and NOT the records from his reserve duty. This would be much more interesting if his discharge from the Naval Reserves were part of the 180.


27 posted on 06/20/2005 8:47:49 PM PDT by mad scientist
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To: hipaatwo
Fing Bogus as Kerry. Look at the form from the source. http://www.archives.gov/research_room/obtain_copies/standard_form_180.pdf These do not look the same, have been sanitized for what ever reason, and look like copies of the same form, xeroxed, with whiteout over the release to part. Typical for a treasonous bastard.
28 posted on 06/20/2005 8:47:54 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles (Ha!)
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To: blu
just wrote "11 yrs" where the dates should be put.

I think that chicken scratch is actually "all years"...still strange considering the question was directed towards "years(s)".

Another thing he does is mix upper and lower case letters most noticeable with the "R" in "Record" and "r" in "reporter"...etc...not sure of the significance but still a strange quirk.

29 posted on 06/20/2005 8:47:58 PM PDT by in the Arena (CAPT (USAF) James Wayne Herrick, Jr. (Call Sign: FireFly33). MIA Laos 27 Oct 69)
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To: hipaatwo
After further review I believe the SF-180 are legitimate but only to a limited scope, service records and medical records. If Kerry really wanted all records exposed, he would have put something like "all records including company records and orders".
30 posted on 06/20/2005 8:50:48 PM PDT by tobyhill (The war on terrorism is not for the weak!)
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To: blu
I think he and Kerry made a deal. The full record for Kranish to sanitize it.. to all we got was Kerry's Yale grades.
31 posted on 06/20/2005 8:50:54 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: hipaatwo

the addressees are in DC, DC, and bethesda. gotta keep 'em close, I suppose.



32 posted on 06/20/2005 8:53:00 PM PDT by smonk
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To: hipaatwo

If you submit incomplete and sloppy forms to the military, you will get sloppy and incomplete results.

These are crap and Kerry knows it. The stench continues.


33 posted on 06/20/2005 8:55:07 PM PDT by Delta 21 (MKC USCG -ret)
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To: in the Arena

He also writes "one time" and "1 time"...what a dope...


34 posted on 06/20/2005 8:56:54 PM PDT by in the Arena (CAPT (USAF) James Wayne Herrick, Jr. (Call Sign: FireFly33). MIA Laos 27 Oct 69)
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To: hipaatwo
If you look at the form, and read the instructions you can tell whomever filled this form out is illiterate. (Cant read simple fing instructions in English)

Also He should have sent it to the National Archives at #6, not the Navy or anyone else.

It shows he is computer illiterate, as the form is a fillable PDF form. Bozo Kohn probably used a crayon derivative pen to fill it out and Xerox it.


35 posted on 06/20/2005 8:57:06 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles (Ha!)
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To: Delta 21

Do you think Michael Kranish is an unbiased reporter?
36 posted on 06/20/2005 8:57:33 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: hipaatwo
I believe I've seen it stated that Kerry's records are split between two different locations. One is the Boston (?) place he was last in service, the other being the National Records center. I do not know if this applies only to the local records, or if the one form would apply to both record locations.
37 posted on 06/20/2005 9:00:02 PM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: hipaatwo

38 posted on 06/20/2005 9:02:04 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: hipaatwo

he doesn't answer #7 - "is/was this person retired from military service". whay would he do that?


39 posted on 06/20/2005 9:05:23 PM PDT by smonk
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40 posted on 06/20/2005 9:05:33 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: tobyhill

Bingo, good spot.
The two forms without requestor checked probably will be rejected.


41 posted on 06/20/2005 9:07:20 PM PDT by ProudVet77 (NASCAR - Because it's the way Americans drive.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

He filled out these forms?

He refers to himself as "Senator Kerry" on his request? Odd.

We need someone who's competant to fill out these frms for the Senator.


42 posted on 06/20/2005 9:08:20 PM PDT by Bogey78O (*tagline removed per request*)
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43 posted on 06/20/2005 9:09:51 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: hipaatwo

Page 3 is a Photocopy INCLUDING SIGNATURE of page 2. I don't believe that would be valid. they changed the address with the copy machine, if this would work ANY news room could print this 180 changes the c=o address and get a 180 for themselves.


44 posted on 06/20/2005 9:11:48 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: hipaatwo

This should be breaking news...


45 posted on 06/20/2005 9:14:25 PM PDT by LowOiL ("I am neither . I am a Christocrat" -Benjamin Rush)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

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Hmmmm...."A single, one time copy".

Why put was that in the Form 180?

So that the "one time" the records were released would be to a trusted agent who would only release what was previously agreed to?

If the "full military record" is released, why would it matter if it was released "one time" to a trusted agent or a million times to any investigator who wanted it?

The record would be identical each time, would it not?

What the American public would learn would be exactly the same, would it not?

Right??????

Maybe not.

Senator Kerry, why did you specify "A single, one time copy"?

Inquiring minds want to know.

46 posted on 06/20/2005 9:15:34 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Echo Talon

It might have been sanitized by the FOIA workers at the archives, too.


47 posted on 06/20/2005 9:17:44 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles (Ha!)
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To: highlander_UW
I do not know if this applies only to the local records, or if the one form would apply to both record locations.

Based on his dicharge date, as I read the instructions on page 3 of the form, these should have all been sent to the Navy Personnel Records Center in St. Louis, MO. All of his records should have been archived there.

48 posted on 06/20/2005 9:20:32 PM PDT by Bob
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To: Echo Talon

"I'm tellin ya, They'll buy it!"

49 posted on 06/20/2005 9:20:38 PM PDT by Delta 21 (MKC USCG -ret)
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To: Polybius

This is the odd one... look at the bottom... this a photocopy of the second one that was sent to the Associated Press. If you look at the bottom this one was issused in June the others were issused in May... look at the bottom left, they covered the addess with a piece of paper to add the address. what is really odd is they photocopied his signature. also it does say to give it to the LA times.. they just block out where its supposed to, they covered up Associated Press.
50 posted on 06/20/2005 9:20:44 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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