You Saw Them Here First (Copies of Kerry's 180)

Powerline ^ | June 20, 2005

[hipaatwo]

Via the Freedom of Information Act, a reader obtained copies of the Form 180s that were recently signed by John Kerry to permit, at long last, the release of his military records. I believe there may be a story about this in the New York Sun tomorrow, and no doubt more commentary will be forthcoming over the next few days. Here are the three documents that Kerry signed; on their face, I don't see anything wrong with them, but then, I'm no expert in military personnel records. We look forward to our readers' comments.

Go to the link..there are 3 pages.

[bnelson44]

Someone want to interpret them for us? Anything there?

[softwarecreator]

Not so sure about his "180's" but I sure saw him do a bunch of "360's" while campaigning.

[icwhatudo]

I wonder what freeper will find "it". Like the Freeper that noticed the Microsoft Word "th" that did in Dan Rather, I wonder who will find (if it wasn't removed) the smoking gun...

[hipaatwo]

I posted it to Tonk and Old Sarge in the Canteen. I'm hoping someone can figure them out. I'm clueless.

[Constitution Day]

BTTT

[Born Conservative]

So, the single copy goes to a reporter at the Boston Globe. How convenient...

[Echo Talon]

so... nobody else can get a copy, just the Boston Globe reporter Kranish?

[Ciexyz]

btt

[tobyhill]

Copy 1 he checks the box as the military requester to the Boston Globe.
Copy 2 and 3 he leaves off the requester.
Accident or technicality?

[blu]

It's the same page, 3x, to three different people.Each one emphasizes that it is a "single, one time release". JFnK didn't put the dates of service in, just wrote "11 yrs" where the dates should be put. That seems rather odd, especially when you read the fine print on the docs, they (the military) seem rather big on dates.

[Echo Talon]

Boston Globe, AP and La Times... wow a good list of objective reporters... /sarcasm.

[Tribune7]

The SF 180s reproduced grant permission for a "one-time" release of his records to a reporter from the Boston Globe, a reporter the LA Times & a reporter from AP.

I'd be more impressed if they granted to any & everybody -- which is more or less what Dubya did. Or granted it to John O'Neill & the Wall Street Journal.

The cover up continues, I think.

[blu]

One was for the Boston Globe, one for the Associated Press,and one for the LA Times.

Where are our 180 experts?

[smonk]

---so... nobody else can get a copy, just the Boston Globe reporter Kranish?---

it said "single, one time only", so it sounds like it.

[tobyhill]

Kerry only states US Navy but is the Navy Reserves included in the category?

[Echo Talon]

looks like we are at another roadblock Kerry is now hiding behind these liberal journalists

[hipaatwo]

I can't tell. I saw Reserves but it wasn't checked.

[Jedidah]

I think he wrote "all years," instead of "11 years," but the "a" is small and looks like a dot.

[Old Sarge]

I tried to read them - it's a little rough - but it looks like the letter of the law has been fulfilled.

[tobyhill]

The checks are missing on Section 3 for the AP and LA Times copies. I believe Kerry made it seem like everyone would get a copy but by a technicality made sure Kranish got the exclusive view.

[WSGilcrest]

Maybe it says "all years" ?

[hipaatwo]

O.K. you would know much better than me. When you leaving?

[blu]

You're correct, thanks for catching that.

Also, let's all remember...these are not the actual documents that we want to see (character of separation...), they're just the permission slip to see the real thing. Hmmm...d'ya think the Globe reporter even looked at the actual docs, or did he just use his previous research?

[LowOiL]

Hummm... so it is released, but not released... It might as well not of been released if all he allows is the most liberal buttkisser the viewership without the pajama FReepers to make sure they don't skip every other paragraph.

[Old Sarge]

Can't tell, yet..... ;]

[mad scientist]

OK...so he provided a copy to the Boston Globe, The LA Times and the Associated Press. Why only the records from his active duty period and not his Reserve duty? He has released the records from December 1966 to January 1970 and NOT the records from his reserve duty. This would be much more interesting if his discharge from the Naval Reserves were part of the 180.

[axes_of_weezles]

Fing Bogus as Kerry. Look at the form from the source. http://www.archives.gov/research_room/obtain_copies/standard_form_180.pdf These do not look the same, have been sanitized for what ever reason, and look like copies of the same form, xeroxed, with whiteout over the release to part. Typical for a treasonous bastard.

[in the Arena]

just wrote "11 yrs" where the dates should be put.

I think that chicken scratch is actually "all years"...still strange considering the question was directed towards "years(s)".

Another thing he does is mix upper and lower case letters most noticeable with the "R" in "Record" and "r" in "reporter"...etc...not sure of the significance but still a strange quirk.

[tobyhill]

After further review I believe the SF-180 are legitimate but only to a limited scope, service records and medical records. If Kerry really wanted all records exposed, he would have put something like "all records including company records and orders".

[Echo Talon]

I think he and Kerry made a deal. The full record for Kranish to sanitize it.. to all we got was Kerry's Yale grades.

[smonk]

the addressees are in DC, DC, and bethesda. gotta keep 'em close, I suppose.

[Delta 21]

If you submit incomplete and sloppy forms to the military, you will get sloppy and incomplete results.

These are crap and Kerry knows it. The stench continues.

[in the Arena]

He also writes "one time" and "1 time"...what a dope...

[axes_of_weezles]

If you look at the form, and read the instructions you can tell whomever filled this form out is illiterate. (Cant read simple fing instructions in English)

Also He should have sent it to the National Archives at #6, not the Navy or anyone else.

It shows he is computer illiterate, as the form is a fillable PDF form. Bozo Kohn probably used a crayon derivative pen to fill it out and Xerox it.

[Echo Talon]

Do you think Michael Kranish is an unbiased reporter?

[highlander_UW]

I believe I've seen it stated that Kerry's records are split between two different locations. One is the Boston (?) place he was last in service, the other being the National Records center. I do not know if this applies only to the local records, or if the one form would apply to both record locations.

[A.A. Cunningham]

[smonk]

he doesn't answer #7 - "is/was this person retired from military service". whay would he do that?

[A.A. Cunningham]

[ProudVet77]

Bingo, good spot.
The two forms without requestor checked probably will be rejected.

[Bogey78O]

He filled out these forms?

He refers to himself as "Senator Kerry" on his request? Odd.

We need someone who's competant to fill out these frms for the Senator.

[A.A. Cunningham]

[Echo Talon]

Page 3 is a Photocopy INCLUDING SIGNATURE of page 2. I don't believe that would be valid. they changed the address with the copy machine, if this would work ANY news room could print this 180 changes the c=o address and get a 180 for themselves.

[LowOiL]

This should be breaking news...

[Polybius]

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Hmmmm...."A single, one time copy".

Why put was that in the Form 180?

So that the "one time" the records were released would be to a trusted agent who would only release what was previously agreed to?

If the "full military record" is released, why would it matter if it was released "one time" to a trusted agent or a million times to any investigator who wanted it?

The record would be identical each time, would it not?

What the American public would learn would be exactly the same, would it not?

Right??????

Maybe not.

Senator Kerry, why did you specify "A single, one time copy"?

Inquiring minds want to know.

[axes_of_weezles]

It might have been sanitized by the FOIA workers at the archives, too.

[Bob]

I do not know if this applies only to the local records, or if the one form would apply to both record locations.

Based on his dicharge date, as I read the instructions on page 3 of the form, these should have all been sent to the Navy Personnel Records Center in St. Louis, MO. All of his records should have been archived there.

[Delta 21]

"I'm tellin ya, They'll buy it!"

[Echo Talon]

This is the odd one... look at the bottom... this a photocopy of the second one that was sent to the Associated Press. If you look at the bottom this one was issused in June the others were issused in May... look at the bottom left, they covered the addess with a piece of paper to add the address. what is really odd is they photocopied his signature. also it does say to give it to the LA times.. they just block out where its supposed to, they covered up Associated Press.