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Growing my own tobacco -I've had it with these prices! (A journal)
6-21-5 | RandallFlagg

Posted on 06/21/2005 8:25:15 AM PDT by RandallFlagg

Since I have to get to bed, I'm just going to paste what I placed into the coffinnails.com forum. There's relevant questions inclused that I'll place on this thread if they get answered.

Day one -finally got my seeds!

Them things are SMALL! Sheesh! I had to fuzzy up the end of a Q-Tip to place them into the trays. Before I screw things up, there's a few questions I must ask. The 200 seeds I got are Dark Virginia. I'm doing 16 at a time.

Will the unused seeds keep for a while? I'd like to grow 'em in staggered stages. Will regular tap water work, or will I have to use distilled or rainwater? I have to used that kind for my Venus's Flytraps. Flourescent lighting. Will it work well for staggered stage growing year-round? Humidity? Someone told me that nicotine is a natural insect repellant. Is this true? Has anyone here saved the $$$ they expected to save? That's why I'm doing this. What's the best soil to use?

Luckily, there's a big place near my home called Paulino's Gardens, where I can find almost all the accessories I need for this venture of mine. I'll update on this thread as I go along.

OH! First entry: Got seeds three days ago and placed them on top of potting soil in 16-cube icetray container with holes in the bottom. Placed trays in my carnivorous plant terrarium that uses three 15-watt flourescent bulbs on a 18-hour timer. Sprayed and soaked with rainwater. Crossing my fingers.

Last question for the day: How long should it be before something actually grows?


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SheLion, here's the first.

1 posted on 06/21/2005 8:25:19 AM PDT by RandallFlagg
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To: SheLion

Ping!


2 posted on 06/21/2005 8:26:06 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: RandallFlagg

How will rolling my own cigaretttes cause me to smoke less?


3 posted on 06/21/2005 8:27:11 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: newgeezer

This looks like a great idea.


4 posted on 06/21/2005 8:27:59 AM PDT by biblewonk (Yes I think I am a bible worshipper.)
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To: Phantom Lord

The nicotine in real tobacco content isn't thinned out with added ingredients. One cig keeps me good for hours. I went from almost 2 packs a day to about 7-10 cigs a day.

How ya been, Phantom? How's the family?


5 posted on 06/21/2005 8:28:48 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: RandallFlagg; Just another Joe; Madame Dufarge; MeeknMing; steve50; Cantiloper; metesky; ...
Well, here is one alternative:

Can't stand the high taxes?

Afraid to order off of the Internet?

Then start rolling your own!!!

I roll out a beautiful carton for a little under $8 dollars.  Premiums in my state are now up to $45-$50 a carton.  Can you imagine the money I have saved over the past 4 years since I now roll my own?  It's mind boggling.

under $50.00

$5.75 a bag

$1.99 for 200 filtered tubes

 
and

Smokers United

Roll Your Own Tobacco Store

Roll Your Own Magazine

6 posted on 06/21/2005 8:29:18 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: RandallFlagg

Buy this ...

"Growing & Processing Tobacco at Home, A Guide for Gardeners" Book
By Jim Johnson
210 Pages, Paperback,


7 posted on 06/21/2005 8:29:25 AM PDT by mgc1122
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To: mgc1122

OOOHHH! That sounds like a great read! Thanks!


8 posted on 06/21/2005 8:30:32 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: Phantom Lord
How will rolling my own cigaretttes cause me to smoke less?

Loose tobacco is just that: loose tobacco.

Big Tobacco adds a lot of extra "stuff" that really isn't necessary. But I notice too that I don't have the need to keep smoking after I am finished with one.

There is nothing in my tobacco that leaves me craving for more. So, it's a win-win situation.

9 posted on 06/21/2005 8:31:01 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: RandallFlagg

I'm about to start drilling for oil in my back yard.


10 posted on 06/21/2005 8:32:17 AM PDT by VoiceOfBruck (He asked him knowingly)
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To: biblewonk
This looks like a great idea.

It's already been established by the SCOTUS -- citing the interstate commerce clause -- that we cannot just go off and grow our own [insert your favorite crop here] if they decide they don't want us to.

11 posted on 06/21/2005 8:32:18 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: RandallFlagg
It's a good thing they've done away with the Tobacco Allotment Program. You could have been fined heavily for growing leaf.
12 posted on 06/21/2005 8:32:45 AM PDT by wolfpat (dum vivimus, vivamus)
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To: RandallFlagg

Congratulations! Your yield, should you continue the growth process, will be about 1 cigarette per leaf. When you get some growth, transplant them outside to your garden area. Give them the recommended fertilizer. Don't forget to cut the flowers off unless you are growing for seed. When they turn yellow, they are ready to harvest. Cut the stalk with either a very sharp and heavy bladed machete or a tobacco knife, turn it upside down and stick it into the ground to let the drying process begin for a day. Next day, come along, strip the leaves and tie them to a pole, hang the pole in your drying shed for six months or so to cure. Process and smoke.

I predict after you go through your first crop, you will be back to the convenience store buying your smokes.


13 posted on 06/21/2005 8:32:49 AM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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I really have to get to bed. Gotta get up for the graveyard in six hours.

BBL!


14 posted on 06/21/2005 8:33:07 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: RandallFlagg
Medical tobacco!
Get people to sign a petition to make the gov pay for it.

Keep us updated, I thought tobacco (tomaco for Homer Simpson) was reasonable easy to grow. Now grow some good Connecticut cigar wrappers and roll some good puros!!!
Seriously, I support medical marijuana, it's the medical meth I draw the line at.

15 posted on 06/21/2005 8:33:39 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: RandallFlagg
The government frowns on you having seeds and growing your own, and smoking the leaves.

Oh, never mind, thats a different plant. (For the time being)

16 posted on 06/21/2005 8:33:40 AM PDT by Protagoras (Iíve had all I can stands and I canít stands no more.....Popeye)
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To: newgeezer
It's already been established by the SCOTUS -- citing the interstate commerce clause -- that we cannot just go off and grow our own [insert your favorite crop here] if they decide they don't want us to.

What? Are you saying it's illegal to grow tobacco?

17 posted on 06/21/2005 8:34:51 AM PDT by biblewonk (Yes I think I am a bible worshipper.)
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To: RandallFlagg

In a related note, there is a bill in congress that would allow you to distill your own spirits for personal use. I hope it passes, I have an old shine recipe I want to try.


18 posted on 06/21/2005 8:36:17 AM PDT by TXBSAFH (One man's Linux is another man's OS/2.)
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To: RandallFlagg

I'm proud of you for growing it.

Picking and curing it will be a bugger (the stuff ITCHES!)So wear long sleeves and work fast.

Good luck! ;)

(Yeah, the worst summer job I ever had was working in a tobacco barn).


19 posted on 06/21/2005 8:36:20 AM PDT by najida (I was raised by a pack of rabid hyenas.)
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To: Phantom Lord
How will rolling my own cigaretttes cause me to smoke less?

I used to smoke store-bought cigarettes until I switched to roll-your-own a few months back.

When I kept a pack on my desk, I smoked more than I did when I left the pack in another room. Just the minor inconvenience of having to go to another room to get each one cut down my smoking by quite a bit.

Now that I'm rolling my own (one at a time) and keeping the machine in another room, I've realized that I'm smoking even less than that.

Better tobacco + lower price + smoking less

20 posted on 06/21/2005 8:38:57 AM PDT by Bob
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To: RandallFlagg

Growig your own sounds good to me . . . People out here even grown their own herbs to smoke.


21 posted on 06/21/2005 8:39:49 AM PDT by ex-Texan (Mathew 7:1 through 6)
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To: RandallFlagg
Someone told me that nicotine is a natural insect repellant. Is this true?

I've read several reports it's true....I make "butt tea" in a five gallon pail and use it around the foundation of the house,since doing that I have no spiders in the basement or under the eaves of the house...so,try it!

But I think your question is,do you need to treat your plants for tobacco cravers,that I don't know

23 posted on 06/21/2005 8:42:29 AM PDT by Minnesoootan
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To: RandallFlagg
Be sure to post your experiences of the no-knock warrant process as your local LEO's bust down your door because of your "indoor growing equipment"

Seriously, good luck with your endeavor!

24 posted on 06/21/2005 8:43:44 AM PDT by adaven
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To: orangeorangeorangemillenium
Last post before bed -I promise!

It's legal to grow up to a tenth of an acre of tobacco for personal use; you can't sell what you grow. It grows in all 50 states.

This forum has a great post from a fella in Alaska growing his own. He has a heck of a setup!

http://www.coffinails.com/forums/?board=4&action=display&num=1112492612


Alaska?! Wow!
25 posted on 06/21/2005 8:44:49 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: RandallFlagg

Careful, the BATF may just hear about your little project and come kick in your door, shoot your dog, and burn down your house. </F-Troop rant>


27 posted on 06/21/2005 8:45:19 AM PDT by AngryJawa (Will Work For Ammo)
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To: RandallFlagg
You know, not to be an ass, but the best places for advice may be pot forums. I would imagine a lot of the same techniques would work.

Damned If I Know

28 posted on 06/21/2005 8:45:33 AM PDT by sharktrager (My life is like a box of chocolates, but someone took all the good ones.)
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To: RandallFlagg
When you transplant it and it grows, DO NOT WORK IN SHORTS OR SHORT SLEVES! Wear gloves too.

Never walk through a field of tobacco in shorts, very unpleasant. The nicotine is secreted by the plant to ward off critters that might eat it, works on unsuspecting humans too.
29 posted on 06/21/2005 8:45:59 AM PDT by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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To: orangeorangeorangemillenium

The mere fact that we try to remember whether or not the fed has outlawed growing a plant shows just how far we've moved from what America is supposed to be.


30 posted on 06/21/2005 8:46:49 AM PDT by kenth
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To: RandallFlagg
I recommend first sprouting the dormant seeds, then planting the sprouts. Begin by soaking the dry seeds in room temperature water overnight (about eight hours). Drain the seeds and place them in a jar with netting or cheesecloth on top so they can breath. Rinse the seeds twice a day and let them drain upside down. When they have sprouted, follow these directions.
31 posted on 06/21/2005 8:48:21 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: RandallFlagg

bttt


32 posted on 06/21/2005 8:48:39 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: RandallFlagg
I can remember riding through South Georgia and seeing a large amount of tobacco on the shoulder of the road where it had blown off wagons taking it to market.

I don't smoke but it occurred to me that if I did, I could stop and pick up enough to last a lifetime. Of course I don't know how to cure it either.

33 posted on 06/21/2005 8:48:47 AM PDT by christabel
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To: Admin Moderator

I really didn't expect this many replies this fast. Thanks for not sending this to "Bloggers," as I thought it should've been there when I started it.

Last post. Seriesly! Gotta get to bed.


34 posted on 06/21/2005 8:51:14 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: biblewonk
What? Are you saying it's illegal to grow tobacco?

Could be. Here's the scoop. The case I was thinking of concerned a New Deal farmer growing a crop over his quota and feeding it to his chickens.

35 posted on 06/21/2005 8:52:22 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: RandallFlagg

http://www.virtualseeds.com/tobacco-main.html

Tobacco used to be widely grown in home gardens, and is still widely grown as an ornamental (Nicotiana).

Unless you live in a rural area, curing it is unlikely to be easy enough to make it worth your time.

Extracted nicotine is a deadly poison, to insects animals and people, and has been illegal for many years I think.


36 posted on 06/21/2005 8:54:01 AM PDT by hlmencken3 ("...politics is a religion substitute for liberals and they can't stand the competition")
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To: RandallFlagg

If unused tobacco seeds are like typical veggie seeds, they'll keep a while. I keep leftover seeds from veggie and flower packets in a zippered plastic bag in my fridge. Most of the seeds sprout just fine 4-5 years or more after the date stamped on the packet. Just keep them from molding; make sure they're not put away damp.


37 posted on 06/21/2005 8:54:47 AM PDT by Think free or die
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To: newgeezer

It seems that they have stopped at banning home gardens, solar panels and garage sales and maybe by daughter's babysitting.


38 posted on 06/21/2005 8:56:26 AM PDT by biblewonk (Yes I think I am a bible worshipper.)
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To: biblewonk
It seems that they have stopped at banning home gardens, solar panels and garage sales and maybe by daughter's babysitting.

Sure, for the time being. But, the door is wide open.

39 posted on 06/21/2005 8:57:44 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: newgeezer
The case I was thinking of concerned a New Deal farmer growing a crop over his quota and feeding it to his chickens.

That would be Wickard v. Filburn, which IMHO marked the death knell of the Tenth Amendment and the end of limitations to federal powers. I had some hope that the current Court was working to roll it back, with rulings like Printz and Morrisson, but Gonzales v. Raich put an end to that. I'm terribly disappointed in Justice Scalia. Justice Thomas is the last true hero on the Court.

40 posted on 06/21/2005 8:59:55 AM PDT by Politicalities (http://www.politicalities.com)
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To: kenth

Better grow it in pots or on expect to grow tobacco in your garden - once you plant it that is all that will grow there afterward. I'm sure the actual smoked product will actually taste better and not have all those chemicals in it too.


41 posted on 06/21/2005 9:04:00 AM PDT by Cyclone59 (If you can read this thank a teacher... since it's in English, thank an American Soldier!)
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To: nina0113

bookmark


42 posted on 06/21/2005 9:07:34 AM PDT by nina0113
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To: Old Mountain man

> I predict after you go through your first crop, you will be back to the convenience store buying your smokes.

I predict that your nosey neighbors will have the federales on you before you can even enjoy your first smoke :)


43 posted on 06/21/2005 9:07:53 AM PDT by cloud8
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To: RandallFlagg
Will the unused seeds keep for a while?

If you keep them cool (not frozen) and dry they should keep for a year or more.

Will regular tap water work, or will I have to use distilled or rainwater?

Tap water will do in a pinch. Distilled or rain water will likely contain fewer contaminants.

Fluorescent lighting. Will it work well for staggered stage growing year-round?

For starting the seeds it will be fine. Keep it close to the seedlings or they are likely to get "leggy". Raise it as they grow. As another Freeper suggested, they will need to be transplanted outdoors in order for them to flourish. A fluorescent bulb will not provide enough lumen's to insure that lower leaves receive the light they need.

Humidity?

Too much and the plants are likely to develop fungal / bacterial problems. Too little (combined with inadequate watering) and they will wilt.

Someone told me that nicotine is a natural insect repellant. Is this true?

True. Nicotine sulfate is a poison. A crude insecticide can be made by soaking tobacco leaves in water (as one would make sun tea).

What's the best soil to use?

Any normal fortified seed starting mix will be fine. As the plants grow macro (N,P,K) and micro nutrients will be required in sufficient quantities. They can be incorporated into the soil prior to transplanting. Signs of nutrient deficiency will indicate one or more is lacking. You can probably google up pictures of this if necessary.

How long should it be before something actually grows?

If the seeds are not covered too deeply, I'd expect to see initial signs of growth in a week or less.

44 posted on 06/21/2005 9:08:14 AM PDT by Freebird Forever (Imagine if islam controlled the internet.)
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To: Politicalities

Agreed. I'll be pleasantly shocked if anyone as conservative as Justice Thomas sits on the SCOTUS ever again.


45 posted on 06/21/2005 9:09:42 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: Mears

bump


46 posted on 06/21/2005 9:09:52 AM PDT by Mears (Keep the government out of my face!)
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To: RandallFlagg

Wow, I had no idea Alaska looked that good. And they pay you to live there.... does it actually get nice and warm sometimes?

I hate cold weather but that seems like the final frontier for people who want to be left alone and do their own thing.


47 posted on 06/21/2005 9:18:01 AM PDT by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: RandallFlagg
It's legal to grow up to a tenth of an acre of tobacco for personal use; you can't sell what you grow. It grows in all 50 states.

The recent Supreme Court ruling means that Big Daddy Government can make you stop.

If Hitlery Clinton got the Whitehouse... it's too scary, I won't go there.
48 posted on 06/21/2005 9:20:42 AM PDT by 4KennewickMan2Invent (Thinking is a good endeavor. Not thinking is the worst thing imaginable.)
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To: newgeezer; biblewonk

Yes. It's illegal if a judge says it is: to grow any plant not explicitly stated as legal to grow for personal consumption, in a legally proscribed quantity, with legally proscribed restrictions on the rights of the grower to gift the crop to a neighbor. The mere ability for the crop to be part of a economic transaction, or to be passed across state lines, is all the justification needed for the federal government to make the growing, packaging, transferring, gifting, selling, transporting of a crop illeagl in the US today.

This is a liberal interpretation of the ruling, it could explicitly prohibit the growth of all crops without government granted priviledge, as the decision was written.

Wheat and marijuana are illegal to grow for private intra-state use, according to the Raich decision by the supreme court, delivered earlier this month.

Google "Raich Ashcroft" for more info.


49 posted on 06/21/2005 9:31:18 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: RandallFlagg

Watch out for the grow lamps. The electric company watches for electricity usage increases consistent with running grow lamps, and notifies the government, who then sends in the DEA to bust down your door and possibly murder you without you ever having had a chance to tell them that what you're doing is perfectly legal.


50 posted on 06/21/2005 9:38:13 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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