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Growing my own tobacco -I've had it with these prices! (A journal)
6-21-5 | RandallFlagg

Posted on 06/21/2005 8:25:15 AM PDT by RandallFlagg

Since I have to get to bed, I'm just going to paste what I placed into the coffinnails.com forum. There's relevant questions inclused that I'll place on this thread if they get answered.

Day one -finally got my seeds!

Them things are SMALL! Sheesh! I had to fuzzy up the end of a Q-Tip to place them into the trays. Before I screw things up, there's a few questions I must ask. The 200 seeds I got are Dark Virginia. I'm doing 16 at a time.

Will the unused seeds keep for a while? I'd like to grow 'em in staggered stages. Will regular tap water work, or will I have to use distilled or rainwater? I have to used that kind for my Venus's Flytraps. Flourescent lighting. Will it work well for staggered stage growing year-round? Humidity? Someone told me that nicotine is a natural insect repellant. Is this true? Has anyone here saved the $$$ they expected to save? That's why I'm doing this. What's the best soil to use?

Luckily, there's a big place near my home called Paulino's Gardens, where I can find almost all the accessories I need for this venture of mine. I'll update on this thread as I go along.

OH! First entry: Got seeds three days ago and placed them on top of potting soil in 16-cube icetray container with holes in the bottom. Placed trays in my carnivorous plant terrarium that uses three 15-watt flourescent bulbs on a 18-hour timer. Sprayed and soaked with rainwater. Crossing my fingers.

Last question for the day: How long should it be before something actually grows?


TOPICS: US: Colorado; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: cutratecancer; discountcarcinoma; growyourown; pufflist; tobacco
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To: Calpernia

The "View Replies" link is your friend. ;-)

See #35.


81 posted on 06/22/2005 5:54:55 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: RandallFlagg
You are in for a rewarding and interesting experience. I have been growing tobacco in Kansas for the past three years.

When the seeds germinate, the plants will appear to be deformed. they twist and turn and bend at the bottom. It is natural.

It is legal to grow a tenth of an acre, so don't sweat the BATF. Don't buy any books. It is all free on the internet.

Tobacco grows well in any soil that will grow a tomato.

Don't try to keep seeds. Mature plants will produce zillions of seeds from flowers. Indoor plants will flower year round.

The curing process is slow and you do need to read all you can about how you are going to cure the leaves. The plants are tough and prolific leaf producers. Stay in touch.
82 posted on 06/22/2005 6:00:07 AM PDT by Bonafide
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To: Calpernia
Because tomatoes are not tobacco.

Tobacco only does this as it becomes ripe.

For tomatoes, I do not know. 12 gage? .22? Works for me. Watch the wind direction though.

Tomatoes tend to absorb the flavors of other plants around them. They also suck up metals in the soil. Tomatoes are used at Super Fund sites to treat metal (arsenic, lead, chromium, etc.) contaminated soils. I have tried basil, mint, and garlic around tomatoes. Planting tobacco and tomatoes together; interesting concept.
83 posted on 06/22/2005 6:03:53 AM PDT by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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To: Conservatrix; Kathy in Alaska

>>>>Wow, I had no idea Alaska looked that good. And they pay you to live there.... does it actually get nice and warm sometimes?

For info on Alaska, post to 'Kathy in Alaska'


84 posted on 06/22/2005 6:05:43 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: newgeezer

I found that while swimming down the thread. Thank you for the link and follow up.


85 posted on 06/22/2005 6:08:43 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

Can you expand on that a little bit?



Here's an article by Thomas Sowell that talks about it a little.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/commentary/20050618-115922-8243r.htm


86 posted on 06/22/2005 6:10:43 AM PDT by JZelle
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To: fireforeffect

I know tomatoes aren't tobacco; but didn't you say it was the nicotine that fends off the critters?

>>> For tomatoes, I do not know. 12 gage? .22? Works for me.

LOL! I'm a blue state denizen. No guns for us :(


>>>>Tomatoes are used at Super Fund sites to treat metal (arsenic, lead, chromium, etc.) contaminated soils.

Do those fruits make it to market??


87 posted on 06/22/2005 6:12:51 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: JZelle

Thank you


88 posted on 06/22/2005 6:13:14 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: RandallFlagg

Seeds will germinate in less than ten days if conditions are right. Warm, wet, and flooded with light. If they don't produce a visible plant within 10 days, they need more light.


89 posted on 06/22/2005 6:14:51 AM PDT by Bonafide
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To: SheLion; Gabz

I'm very happy with the SYO. Thank you for the link SheLion.

I'm still trying to master the stuffing without destroying ^-^

I have notice a big difference with the taste. I'm not craving a cigarette and yet very statisfied when I have one.

I think you are right about the extra additives in cigarettes and am wondering if it was actually the nicotine that creates the addiction.


90 posted on 06/22/2005 6:17:11 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: antiRepublicrat

I was a democrat when the Feds started breaking into homes and killing people. Now I am a Republican and it seems to me that nothing has changed. How do we explain that to our kids?


91 posted on 06/22/2005 6:18:00 AM PDT by Bonafide
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To: barkeep
As to cutting the plant and hanging it upside down, someone has tobacco and left-handed tobacco confused.

Maybe in your neck of the woods, but in Maryland, we cut the entire tobacco plant, speared the plants onto sticks and hung them, top down where they air cured in the barn.

There was no bed of coals, and no furnace, just boards in the sides of the barns which allowed air to circulate.

The plants were speared 4-6 on a 5 foot stick and these set across tier poles with enough room for the air to get through, too close and they'd get moldy. In the mid fall, the sticks would be taken down, the plants removed, the leaves stripped off acording to grade (bright, dark, and tips) and bundled, rikked in the standard 4'X 4' baskets and taken to auction.

Folks as close as Virginia flue cured their tobacco, much like you describe, but Marylanders air cured theirs.

92 posted on 06/22/2005 6:18:19 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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To: Bonafide

WOW! Thanks. That explains why I had no luck last year - not enough light.


93 posted on 06/22/2005 6:19:11 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: fireforeffect
My grandfather always planted several rows of tomatoes along the margin of the tobacco field.

Iirc, the plants are related, both are susceptible to mosaic virus, and I believe the tomatoes will show the effects first.

When we were not hoeing tobacco, we were picking tomatoes as kids, or baling hay, or something, there was no shortage of work to be done.

94 posted on 06/22/2005 6:26:11 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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To: Calpernia; SheLion; Gabz

You've been RYO for three days? You're in for a treat!

BTW, I wonder if any big tobacco folks will hear about this thread and get nervous.....

Heh-heh!


95 posted on 06/22/2005 6:26:34 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: Bonafide
How do we explain that to our kids?

Look at my screen name. I realized a while ago that neither party is interested in protecting our liberty.

96 posted on 06/22/2005 6:26:51 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Smokin' Joe

Very interesting - I was under the impression that being planted anywhere near other members of the nightshade family (tomatoes, peppers, eggplant and potatoes) was hazardous to the Tobacco because of the TMV.


97 posted on 06/22/2005 6:28:29 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: RandallFlagg; Calpernia; SheLion
BTW, I wonder if any big tobacco folks will hear about this thread and get nervous.....

I seriously doubt they will get nervous - they've been reading these threads for years...........

98 posted on 06/22/2005 6:29:51 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: Gabz
Actually, I have been told that handling tomato plants with tobacco on your hands places the tomato plants at risk...and to always wash your hands after smoking before working in the garden.

I think my grandfather used the tomatoes as an indicator of any mosaic problems, before the cash crop was damaged.

Aside from that, we had a lot of tomatoes....I miss that.

99 posted on 06/22/2005 6:32:54 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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To: Bonafide

Thanks. I think I'm really doing it just because I want to see if I can. Being a rich, white conservative republican (snicker), I can easily afford to buy any kind of smoke I want. But it's really the tax thing that irks me to no end. I'll keep updating this thread as things progress.


Day two. Sprayed seeds. Nothing yet.
(didn't expect any, but I'm a little anxious)


100 posted on 06/22/2005 6:33:09 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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