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"Costly Slander, Cheap Redemption" (Durbin)
Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation website ^ | June 22, 2005 | Scott Swett

Posted on 06/22/2005 11:05:49 AM PDT by Mach9

Costly Slander, Cheap Redemption by Scott Swett, Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation

(6/22/2005) -

Eight days after viciously comparing the treatment of terrorist prisoners by American troops at Guantanamo Bay to Nazi death camps and Soviet gulags, Senator Richard Durbin offered a weepy semi-apology, expressing regret before his fellow Senators if his remarks "in any way cast a negative light on our fine men and women in the military." Senator Durbin loves and supports America's troops, you see. "They are the best," he gushed. "I never, ever intended any disrespect for them." No one asked whether his respect for the troops extends to their intelligence. Senators from both parties thanked their honorable colleague, and made haste to declare the controversy at an end.

That evening, hosting a Democratic Party fundraiser, Senator Durbin was introduced as a man who "has a backbone and tells it like it is." It would be difficult to come up with a less accurate characterization. Of course, if they'd called him "a man who tells grotesque lies to slander our troops, then cries and grovels when things get hot," he might not have gotten as much applause. It's instructive to note that after a week of refusing to recant while blaming "right wingers" for the controversy, the esteemed Illinois Senator folded his hand just hours after powerful Chicago mayor Richard Daley publicly called his charges "a disgrace." Even so, Durbin managed in his "apology" to pander to his party?s radical base -- the ones who think President Bush is Adolph Hitler and openly cheer for America's efforts in Iraq to fail -- by skirting any direct admission that his claims were false. As a poster noted at DemocraticUnderground.com, it was "a very nuanced and targeted statement, essentially distancing himself from the imagery, but not the facts."

Ah, yes, the facts. Some 15 to 30 million Soviets died in the gulag; 6 million Jews died in the Nazi death camps; 2 million Cambodians were murdered by Pol Pot's savage regime. But oddly, no prisoners whatsoever have died in Guantanamo under the brutal Americans.

The Islamic network Al Jazeera took a considerably less nuanced view of the situation, broadcasting Durbin's Nazi fantasies to the Islamic world around the clock, confirmation from a high-ranking American of what Islamic radicals -- and American leftists -- have always believed; that America is fundamentally a force for evil in the world. There can be little doubt that Senator Durbin has made it significantly easier for Al Qaeda to recruit new terrorists to kill more of the American troops he professes to respect and admire.

Now, with the controversy officially at an end, Mr. Durbin returns to the warm, collegial bosom of the Senate, where he retains his influential position as the second-ranked Democrat -- the Minority Whip -- and is unlikely to suffer any long-term political harm from having helped America's enemies by lying about our troops in a time of war.

Even that could be considered progress of a sort. Thirty-four years ago, John Kerry launched the political career that brought him within 100,000 Ohio votes of the White House by comparing the U.S. military to "the armies of Genghis Khan." Senator Durbin may not receive a comparable benefit from his own slanderous remarks. Last year's presidential campaign provided many people with an opportunity to take a long look back at the Vietnam era: to recall just how badly America's returning troops were treated in those days, and why.

Today we find a new generation of Americans in harm's way, fighting far from home once again in defense of freedom. But they also need defending -- particularly from the likes of Senator Richard Durbin, who seeks to poison their reputations even as he pretends to praise their service.

Scott Swett is executive director of the Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aljazeera; durbin; durbinapology; gulag; hitler; kerry; military; vietnam
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Deja vu all over again. IS he redeemed?
1 posted on 06/22/2005 11:05:51 AM PDT by Mach9
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To: Mach9

The title says it all . . .


2 posted on 06/22/2005 11:07:16 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: Mach9
"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled, or hanged."
---- Abraham Lincoln


Durbinladen's actions on the Senate floor were an act of sabotage against our military.

Apology NOT ACCEPTED Saboteur



Stop Dick Turbinladen Durbin before he aids our enemy again!
DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS!!!!Contact your REPS

Tell them to prosecute this saboteur!!


Link to contact your senator


Link to contact your representative


ABC CBS NBC CNN its all the SAME, Propaganda.
Might as well call them all AmeriJazerra.
Show them how much Gravitas Hugh Bris has. Vote with your remote! Shut down the Alphabet channels.

He's Got A Plan
Zippo Hero
Seven Dead Monkeys Page O Tunes

3 posted on 06/22/2005 11:09:21 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Bite my shiny metal @$$)
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To: Mach9

Depends on the meaning of the word "IS"!

I vote "He!! NO!"


4 posted on 06/22/2005 11:10:35 AM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: Mach9

Why is it when wussies like Dirty Durbin get their a**es in a sling appears with a "weepy semi-apology"? These p*ssy legislators make me sick.


5 posted on 06/22/2005 11:10:38 AM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: Mach9
"Deja vu all over again. IS he redeemed?"

No.

6 posted on 06/22/2005 11:11:51 AM PDT by pigsmith
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To: lilylangtree

Because sadly, 49% of American voters agree with them and vote them into office. In Chicago, I'd put it at 98%.


7 posted on 06/22/2005 11:14:37 AM PDT by yobid
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To: yobid

Because sadly, 49% of American voters agree with them and vote them into office. In Chicago, I'd put it at 98%.

You got that right. The other day I was thinking to myself that maybe in the future I'll just follow a rule when voting that is, "If they're already in office I'm voting against them" regardless of who they are. I'm sick of all of them.


8 posted on 06/22/2005 11:16:58 AM PDT by hardworking (Hilldebeast - fooling some all the time, and striving to fool all just once)
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To: Mach9
It's too bad that Sen. Durbin forgot to include the comparison to "Genghis Khan"!

Sen. Durbin is just continuing in the 30 year tradition (since the end of the Vietnam War) of the Democratic Party--of giving 'aid and comfort' to the enemy in time of war.

His comments are no more outrageous than those offerred by Sen. Kennedy only a few months ago! Kennedy's unconscionable comments were no different, yet they received only a fraction of the current outrage that Durbin's anti-American comments have received.

9 posted on 06/22/2005 11:19:51 AM PDT by stockstrader
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To: lilylangtree
Aw come on lily....tell us what you really think! ~ lol

It is pretty amazing how these lying pieces of cr@p always put on a dry-eyed display of 'tears' every time they know they've been nailed.



10 posted on 06/22/2005 11:28:37 AM PDT by Zacs Mom (Proud wife of a Marine! ... and purveyor of "rampant, unedited dialogue")
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To: yobid

It grieves me to think that our own people have elected this person to the senate. There is a breach of trust between our representatives and their constituents. Even some of our own republicans in congress were quick to sweep this under the rug. As a professional soldier for the last 15 years, this truly saddens me. What saddens me more is his idea of what constitutes an apology. He obviously doesn't respect himself first, much less anything or anyone else. What a tragedy in American government today.


11 posted on 06/22/2005 11:29:56 AM PDT by Moose2496
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To: Zacs Mom

Remember how one of the RINO 7 (I think?) pleaded with tears in his eyes to not get rid of the filibuster. Made me sick.


12 posted on 06/22/2005 11:31:33 AM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: stockstrader
"Sen. Durbin is just continuing in the 30 year tradition (since the end of the Vietnam War) of the Democratic Party--of giving 'aid and comfort' to the enemy in time of war."


13 posted on 06/22/2005 11:32:43 AM PDT by Zacs Mom (Proud wife of a Marine! ... and purveyor of "rampant, unedited dialogue")
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To: Zacs Mom

"Arrested, exiled, AND hanged" is my only edit.


14 posted on 06/22/2005 11:35:34 AM PDT by Mach9 (.)
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To: lilylangtree

I figure someone must have conducted a poll somewhere that showed that if you whimper, blink your eyes real fast and swallow hard while you pretent to apologize 72% of the people will buy it!


15 posted on 06/22/2005 11:37:07 AM PDT by Zacs Mom (Proud wife of a Marine! ... and purveyor of "rampant, unedited dialogue")
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To: Howlin; eddie willers; cajungirl; wirestripper; Southflanknorthpawsis; Peach; prairiebreeze; ...

A "they're doing it again" ping...


16 posted on 06/22/2005 11:44:24 AM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Mach9
"There can be little doubt that Senator Durbin has made it significantly easier for Al Qaeda to recruit new terrorists to kill more of the American troops he professes to respect and admire."

Durbin's shocking comments laid bare the heart of the man hiding inside the Senator's suit. No forced, half-hearted 'apology' will ever be able to negate the damage he did to America's image and the increased danger he placed our troops in with his inflammatory and treasonous indictment of our military.

The most infuriating aspect of the whole debacle is that Durbin will be allowed to continue to 'serve' our country in a position of power and authority while every American knows he spits on what we stand for, and while every terrorist repeats his words as a battle cry.

17 posted on 06/22/2005 11:45:01 AM PDT by TheCrusader
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To: Mach9

Hell no he isn't redeemed. All Durbin did was gripe about being "misunderstood", which places all blame at the feet of the people who didn't like what he said.


18 posted on 06/22/2005 11:53:43 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." -- G.W. Bush, regarding Sen. Kerry's lack of vision)
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To: rawcatslyentist

It wasn't a real apology. He never said that he was sorry for saying it and that it should have never been said. He said that he was sorry if YOU took it in a way he didn't mean. So it is YOUR fault, not his.


19 posted on 06/22/2005 11:56:17 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Interesting Times


20 posted on 06/22/2005 12:04:18 PM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
If Durbin wants to redeem himself he should commit Hari Kari, Samurai style on the Senate floor.
21 posted on 06/22/2005 12:14:32 PM PDT by oyez (¡Qué viva la revolución de Reagan!)
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To: Moose2496

It's indeed "the enemy within" that will prove more destructive than any terrorist.

Thank you for your service and thoughts.


22 posted on 06/22/2005 12:15:20 PM PDT by yobid
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To: Interesting Times

Very nice as usual....


23 posted on 06/22/2005 12:24:30 PM PDT by abner (Looking for a new tagline- Next outrage please!-)
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To: Zacs Mom

You could be on to something. But it's really worse than that, as we know. It's the fact that words are allowed to mean nothing or something, this or that, just about anything. We're told that his remarks were "taken out of context," but no one's told us or bothered to explain exactly in what context they were originally uttered! The words were given a very precise context (our behavior in Iraq)and an analogy (Gulag, et al). There can be no question that he meant exactly what he said, and that he's sorry not for having said it but because it turned out to be politically inconvenient.

Where's DOD in this argument? Where are the cries from readers of the Constitution, from Senators, from Congressmen who realize that Durbin's fightin' words were TREASONOUS?


24 posted on 06/22/2005 12:24:53 PM PDT by Mach9 (.)
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To: oyez

W A A A Y too honorable--not remotely in keeping with this Dem's style.


25 posted on 06/22/2005 12:29:35 PM PDT by Mach9 (.)
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To: Mach9

"The Islamic network Al Jazeera took a considerably less nuanced view of the situation, broadcasting Durbin's Nazi fantasies to the Islamic world around the clock, confirmation from a high-ranking American of what Islamic radicals -- and American leftists -- have always believed; that America is fundamentally a force for evil in the world. There can be little doubt that Senator Durbin has made it significantly easier for Al Qaeda to recruit new terrorists to kill more of the American troops he professes to respect and admire."

This drunk with power U.S. Senator has aided and abetted the enemy and should RESIGN!!


26 posted on 06/22/2005 12:41:16 PM PDT by victim soul
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To: Interesting Times

One of the reasons I wish we would formally declare war when we go to war. All kind of good laws kick in when we do that.


27 posted on 06/22/2005 12:49:54 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: abner
Very nice as usual...

Thanks.

It's simple, really. When the snakes pop their heads up out of the tall grass, we whack them with our croquet mallets...

28 posted on 06/22/2005 12:50:35 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: cvq3842

What can one truely expect from the Party Of Treason!
(demoncraps)


29 posted on 06/22/2005 12:51:03 PM PDT by DaBearOne
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To: R. Scott
One of the reasons I wish we would formally declare war when we go to war. All kind of good laws kick in when we do that.

Not easy to do in this case, since the bad guys aren't a nation or group of nations...

30 posted on 06/22/2005 12:54:33 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Interesting Times

We could not formally declare war on “terror” – but we could have formally declared war on Iraq.


31 posted on 06/22/2005 12:56:28 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: R. Scott

True, but I doubt that would still have been in effect after the January elections.


32 posted on 06/22/2005 12:59:51 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Mach9

As Jay Severin (FM96.6) pointed out, after he parsed Durbin's alleged apology, a sincere apology begins with "I was wrong." Durbin does not sincerely accept accountability for his outrageous statements. Even Durbin's alleged apology is outrageously self-serving once you parse it - stripping to the bone for true meaning. The MSM is just not astute enough, and wholly lacks the integrity, to parse before the public Durbin's deceptive apology which disengenuously overruns with dissemble.

Durbins' feeble (teary and blubbering) apology is as false as his slanderous assertions made against the U.S. military.
Just what kind of crappy cowardly persons are American citizens electing to Congress? Congress is over-populated with career politicians who only represent THEIR self-interests. Term Limits anyone?


33 posted on 06/22/2005 1:06:53 PM PDT by purpleland (The price of freedom is vigilance.)
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To: holdonnow

Since you're in the neighborhood today...


34 posted on 06/22/2005 1:21:57 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Interesting Times

Thanks for the ping I.T.

I guess it's easy to apologise when you don't really mean it, Hillary probably told him how Bill used to do it!


35 posted on 06/22/2005 1:22:10 PM PDT by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: Mach9

It would be a chance to prove that has guts.


36 posted on 06/22/2005 1:28:04 PM PDT by oyez (¡Qué viva la revolución de Reagan!)
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To: oyez

Immolation would be a Nice Touch!!!


37 posted on 06/22/2005 1:43:51 PM PDT by skyhawk9211 (skyhawk921 ( Semper FI - Marine Air))
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To: Zacs Mom

Hang 'em High ~ Bump!


38 posted on 06/22/2005 1:51:34 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Zacs Mom
"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled, or hanged."
---- Abraham Lincoln

That can't be stated too often!

Be Ever Vigilant!

39 posted on 06/22/2005 1:55:57 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Mach9

Not redeemed in this household. Too much blood has been spilled because of irresponsible, vile remarks like his, pelosi, dean and hanoi jane. Durbin is over and he will NEVER live down those remarks nor SHOULD he. He said 'em...he meant 'em. There are always consequences for our actions....some people never learn that however. They think they are above everything. But...let a republican say something simple and oh they want to do all they can to get rid of him. Well, durbin is finding out now what happens when you think you are above everyone else. The American people take so much and that is it. Their outrage FORCED this apology...thereore he is not redeemed because if he truly meant his apology as much as he did the hate he spewed and endangered our troops he would have never said it to begin with.


40 posted on 06/22/2005 2:00:06 PM PDT by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done more for this country than any of us will ever know! :))
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To: Interesting Times

It would be better than what we have now - nothing.


41 posted on 06/22/2005 2:25:04 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Interesting Times
Dur bin Laden is a cheap hack pol from my home state of Illinois. He's a hair above the dese, dems and dos of Richie Daley.

Actually, Richie is a sophisticate compared to Little Dick Durbin.

When they say it takes 5 street workers to change a light bulb in a Chicago ward neighborhood, Durbin is the guy who pulls a match out to light it.

Leni

42 posted on 06/22/2005 2:54:58 PM PDT by MinuteGal (Remember, Half the People You Know are Below Average)
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To: Mach9
IS he redeemed?
Cheap grace from our very own pastel patriot, John McCain.

All very well to say that I haven't been in a POW prison and he has - but he presumes too much when he assays to speak for patriots in accepting from Durbin a head fake in lieu of an appology.

As so often, Rush is right - McCain thinks he's playing Big Journalism like a violin, but it is he who is being played by the Quisling Party.

McCain can be the Quisling Party candidate in the Republican primary, but he can't be the Quisling Party candidate in the general election against a pro-abort Democrat.


43 posted on 06/22/2005 3:15:45 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: R. Scott
It would be better than what we have now - nothing.

Oh, I don't know. We apparently have the ability to make the Minority Whip whimper and crawl on his belly like a reptile.

There's a certain quiet satisfaction in that...

44 posted on 06/22/2005 3:56:58 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Mach9

Gitmo: It's Deja Nam All Over Again

For most of my adult life, I believed that liberal Democrats opposed the war in Vietnam because they wanted the communists to win. That was why they continually called for bringing the troops home... for setting a withdrawal date.. When that appeared to be failing, they set about demonizing the military, and the troops themselves.

The most famous of the latter incidents was (now Democratic Senator) John Kerry's testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on April 22, 1971. Kerry was at that time the spokesman for the Vietnam Veterans Against the War. Kerry spoke of "war crimes committed in Southeast Asia... not isolated incidents, but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis, with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command.  US troops personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, cut off limbs, blew up bodies, randomly shot civilians and razed villages in a manner reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun..."

Sound familiar? To hear another Democratic Senator tell it, we have pretty much the same sort of thing happening at Gitmo, and in Afghanistan. Our troops are engaging in behaviors we would associate with the Nazis, or the regime of Pol Pot. And once again it's Democrats and their media bringing this to our attention. And once again it's Democrats, wanting to set a withdrawal date, wanting to know the exit strategy, demanding that we bring the troops home.

They say the more things change, the more they remain the same. That's a frightening thought, because there don't seem to be any communists around this time. Our enemy is a shadowy, stateless group of Islamic theocrats who appear to be stuck in the 7th century. This is an unlikely group to attract the favor of our mostly-secular liberal Democrats.

So why do we see them engaging in exactly the same behavior we saw from them twenty-five years ago? There really isn't a dime's worth of difference. It's the same act. I know; I was there for it. And here they go again. Stop the war! Bring the troops home! End the atrocities! Torture! Crimes!

If they don't want the Islamofascists to win — and I doubt they do — there can be only one explanation for their behavior. They want the United States to lose. That's what they wanted last time too, isn't it. Our liberals weren't communists. They just hate the United States. They want the United States to lose. They don't care who the enemy is, so long as we lose. So long as we are shamed.

I don't care much what people say they are about. I watch what they do. I saw what they did in the 1970's, and they are doing exactly the same thing now. An entire generation of veterans was smeared thanks to those people back then, and lo and behold, here they are doing it again... trying to get their own country to lose a war, smearing the troops while they go about it, and clucking about their own moral superiority the whole time. There's probably a word for such people, but I won't even give them the dignity of using it. Suffice to say they disgust me.

45 posted on 06/22/2005 4:33:24 PM PDT by Nick Danger (www.iranfree.org)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
It wasn't a real apology. He never said that he was sorry for saying it and that it should have never been said. He said that he was sorry if YOU took it in a way he didn't mean. So it is YOUR fault, not his.

Oh, pshaw! It's only those red state, backwater extremists who talk that way. Intelligent people understand the nuance of a Democrat's apology.

(/sarc)

46 posted on 06/22/2005 4:39:15 PM PDT by workerbee (A person's a person no matter how small)
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To: Mach9

"... Senator Richard Durbin, who seeks to poison their reputations even as he pretends to praise their service."


Yes, Durbin was "pretending" when he said last night that he supports the troops .. because this is not the first time Durbin has said slightly disparaging things about the military .. or about the Bush admin.


47 posted on 06/22/2005 5:16:42 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: Nick Danger; Interesting Times
Awesome article.

Even better post!

Regards to you both. I'm glad you're both on our side.

TS

48 posted on 06/22/2005 6:25:20 PM PDT by The Shrew (www.swiftvets.com & www.wintersoldier.com - The Truth Shall Set YOU Free!)
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To: Mach9
And all that Lott did was honor an elderly gent who served many honorable years in the Senate? Lott was ostracized and lost his leadership role for a remark that the liberal media found offensive? Where the hell are these clowns now? Can they not see that what Durbin said is a hell of a lot worse than what Lott said????????

Get the noose ready, I am all for carrying out Abe's wishes!!!!!!

49 posted on 06/22/2005 7:12:54 PM PDT by eeriegeno
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To: Interesting Times

Thanks for the ping!


50 posted on 06/22/2005 8:04:55 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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