Cruel and Unusual -Terri

NY Times ^ | 6/23/05 | Bob Herbert

[NicknamedBob]

"No evidence of a crime" is not the same thing as evidence of no crime.

If Michael truly believed that Terri was no longer present in her body, why should he care whether her parents wanted to waste their lives tending to a corpse?

In truth, she was not dead enough to suit him. And if he had that attitude this year, what kind of attitude did he have fifteen years ago?

"What happened to innocent til proved guilty?"

What was Terri's crime that she should be condemned to torturous death?

Michael may have the right to scuttle away, and hide in dark shadows. But casting him as the victim? No way.

[Howlin]

You are babbling; did you forget to take your meds tonight?

[softwarecreator]

Remember, I don't care about you ~ actually, it's colder than that ~ I am unconcerned with whether or not you even exist

You are a real "one trick Pony", aren't you?

Just repeat the same thing over and over.

[Howlin]

So you are angry for people choosing how Terri should die, yet you feel you have the right to decide how another person will die? Bit hypocritical isn't it?

This is the latest "twist" to this never ending story on FR.

The very people who were in hysterics because a court gave Michael Schiavo the right to decide for his wife now INSIST on telling the rest of us how WE will be permitted to die! They are convinced we're on the road to mass euthanasia -- and that living wills should NOT be permitted in ANY circumstances!

[softwarecreator]

I've seen him on other threads, this is what he does.  Talks in circles and repeats them.  Throws very creepy and vague sentences around till you have no idea what he is talking about.

[muawiyah]

BTW, how's your brain's weight vis a vis that of the "average" adult?

Mine's pretty good ~ bigger than average too ~ much bigger!

Saw where a young lady with about 10% of normal brain mass just graduated from highschool.

However, that's not of any importance here. Rather, this is actually all about you, and if your brain size is deficient, you need to get on with doing the decent thing you know.

BTW, don't be wasting those hospital beds either ~ really sick people need them ~

[softwarecreator]

Ah, you gotta love the irony of it.  Hypocrits are so cute.

[Howlin]

"No evidence of a crime" is not the same thing as evidence of no crime.

Wow, that's almost as good as "It's not that the memos were faked, it's what is IN the memos."

Well done!

[muawiyah]

It's still not about you Howlin.

[softwarecreator]

See what I mean.  Over and over and over.

[muawiyah]

Look, there's really no need for me to get beyond a couple of fundamental ideas here ~ one is that this really isn't about you although I'm sure that you have a host of personal interest stories to tell us that prove your point.

Whatever Jeb wants to do is what Jeb wants to do. If he needs your opinion I'm sure he'll ask you. Otherwise, he won't.

If you'd like to do it differently, get elected Governor.

[jess35]

10% normal brain mass that is fully functional is 99% better than Terri Schiavo's condition.

[muawiyah]

The problem is in the mind of the beholder. You are both a tad deficient, and you are turning this thread into a name-calling exercise.

I'd recommend some self-improvement courses down at the Senior Citizens center for both of you if it would do any good.

Please stay on topic, and remember, this really isn't about either of you. Jeb is doing something he promised, and as another poster noted, Mark Fuhrman has a book on the way and I'm sure Jeb doesn't wish to be caught with his britches down.

[softwarecreator]

oreally no need for me to get beyond a couple of fundamental ideas here

What ideas?  You just keep talking in circles.

[NicknamedBob]

I said ... "No evidence of a crime" is not the same thing as evidence of no crime.

"...that's almost as good as "It's not that the memos were faked, it's what is IN the memos."

Interesting. I make a statement of logic, and you equate it to a lie. You must be proud of the way your mind works.

[muawiyah]

I'm willing to believe that brain mass may or may not have meaning in any given case. You are the one who brought it up as if it were definitive.

I only need one exception to prove to the contrary, and I did so. We can find URLs to cite, but I still need only one item to disprove your contention.

Now you've brought up a credentials question, so may I ask just what your credentials for saying that are?

Just spell them out ~ degrees, years of experience, cases handled, etc.

[softwarecreator]

You are both a tad deficient

I can't speak for Howlin' but my tad is NOT deficient!

the Senior Citizens center for both of you

Ummm .. first I'd have to actually BE a senior citizen.

this really isn't about either of you

Ah, there it is ... your phrase of the day, I was wondering how you were going to work it in.

[muawiyah]

Look, I made a point in a debate. You responded with personal insult.

I simply came back to the original point that you've left unanswered.

It's like you've brought a knife to a gunfight.

[Peter Libra]

Quote( and theatrical pomposity it was). "Have you no decency sir.....?" Joseph Welch .

To digress. I would like to have the decency evaluated, of some of the traitors that Joe McCarthy accused. They sold out their country to the now defunct Soviet Union.

I have seen Mr Shiavo on the television. The jury is still out (some of us). Whether this sort of feeling is accurate, I cannot not say. The feeling that I have, is one of a distinct unease. I just do not feel right about this gentleman.

The best I can do is to say- as a thinking person is this. Michael Shiavo could have erred- on the side of compassion.