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Aruba Authorities Detail Murder Suspicions(Cops believe Aruba boys behind Holloway's demise)
Foxs News ^ | 06-24-05 | Fox News

Posted on 06/24/2005 3:21:59 PM PDT by rawhide

ORANJESTAD, Aruba — For the first time, Aruban authorities on Friday detailed their suspicions in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway (search), saying they believe the Alabama teen was murdered.

Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aruba; chum; murder; nataleeholloway; sleepswithdafishes
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I was wondering if the father hired the guy from the boat to help cover up the crime? If not, how is he involved, just knowing one of the suspects?
1 posted on 06/24/2005 3:21:59 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: rawhide

Make this story go away....


2 posted on 06/24/2005 3:23:33 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (North Texas Solutions http://ntxsolutions.com)
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To: rawhide

This is getting pretty ugly and dark.


3 posted on 06/24/2005 3:23:53 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Everything I need to know about Islam I learned on 9-11!)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

I don't expect that Ms. Holloway is alive unfortunately.


5 posted on 06/24/2005 3:26:46 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: rawhide

"I was wondering if the father hired the guy from the boat to help cover up the crime? If not, how is he involved, just knowing one of the suspects?"

The guy from the boat is a friend of Joran's and I believe Natalee actually met Joran on that boat. I'm assuming he'd met her.


6 posted on 06/24/2005 3:27:44 PM PDT by Betaille ("Within the covers of the Bible are all the answers for all the problems men face." -Ronald Reagan)
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To: Lunatic Fringe; TexasConservative46

Sorry you are bored with this, but it is newsworthy.
You do not need to read these threads, just scroll on by them, and go read about Tom Cruise, if you like.
Some people want to know the latest.


7 posted on 06/24/2005 3:28:11 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: rawhide

Obstruction?


8 posted on 06/24/2005 3:29:07 PM PDT by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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To: rawhide
Sure seems like this whole investigation is being directed by a California DA. I officially give notice that I no longer care about this story...for awhile, at least.
10 posted on 06/24/2005 3:29:59 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 ( Heaven on Earth is where the nearest Starbucks is 60 miles away.)
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To: windcliff

ping


11 posted on 06/24/2005 3:30:27 PM PDT by stylecouncilor
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To: rawhide

I think they are saying the fathers involved in some way in the cover up. I read somewhere that the authorities down there checked the dads banking records and found he went to the ATM the night the girl disappeared 3 times at 300 am. and 3.45 am in the morning. Seems strange to need cash that late,but then again it's a party town. But I thought the mom said her husband was sound asleep? Who knows?


13 posted on 06/24/2005 3:31:10 PM PDT by Bush gal in LA
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To: TexasConservative46
"Fox News needs to stop obsessing about this."

Fox coverage has been lots less today, so I suspect they realized 24/7 Greta was too much. I thought Greta and Fox was going to have a stroke yesterday, and today it's much quieter.
14 posted on 06/24/2005 3:32:59 PM PDT by devane617
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To: rawhide

I think that all we know at the present time about the D.J. from the boat is that he had some type of communication with the others through email on the night that Miss Holloway was last seen. He was called in to give a statement and I don't think it matched what the others who were arrested said. So, at that time he was arrested.


15 posted on 06/24/2005 3:33:32 PM PDT by AIC
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To: Lunatic Fringe

Would you rather talk about Michael Jackson some more?


16 posted on 06/24/2005 3:34:58 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: TexasConservative46

'Wrong, I don't care about Tom Cruise or this. I just want Fox News to report news.'

Let me ask you this, if Fox News was not reporting on this, where would the news about this case come from? I do not see much being said on the MSM news outlets, or in the newspapers about this. And with being the case, this story would probably quickly die down, here and in Aruba. And because of that, who knows, maybe the killers (or whatever really happened), would never be found out.


17 posted on 06/24/2005 3:36:12 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: TexasConservative46
I can't stand Greta Van Sustern. Couldn't stand her when she was on CNN. She'd be nothing today if it weren't for the OJ trial.
18 posted on 06/24/2005 3:36:48 PM PDT by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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To: TexasConservative46

do you want to talk about the runaway bride?


19 posted on 06/24/2005 3:37:26 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Bush gal in LA

That is interesting, why did he need the money at that time? To pay for the boat, to participate in a cover-up? I wonder?


20 posted on 06/24/2005 3:38:24 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: AIC

"He was called in to give a statement and I don't think it matched what the others who were arrested said. So, at that time he was arrested."

This case is really interesting. I wish they would give us a clue as to the specifics. What was wrong with this guys story? Why was the father arrested? I've never seen such a lack of information in a missing persons case.


21 posted on 06/24/2005 3:39:10 PM PDT by Betaille ("Within the covers of the Bible are all the answers for all the problems men face." -Ronald Reagan)
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To: rawhide
complicity to pre-meditated murder

Premeditated ? That doesn't fit the "accident" theories put forward by some.

23 posted on 06/24/2005 3:40:50 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: TexasConservative46

" Fox News needs to stop obsessing about this."

Yes, we should all stop obsessing about abducted, abused, neglected or murdered innocent little children, teens and animals. It's such a bummer (sarcasm). Until it's someone near and dear to you.


24 posted on 06/24/2005 3:41:48 PM PDT by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)
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To: Bush gal in LA

"he went to the ATM the night the girl disappeared 3 times at 300 am. and 3.45 am in the morning."

That's only twice. I'll bet his son had his ATM card, I doubt it was actually the father going to the atm at that hour.

"Seems strange to need cash that late,but then again it's a party town."

True it's a party town, but according to the boys story, there's nothing in particular that they would have needed money for that late, and there's no way the father would normally be out at 3:45am. So once again... something's up. Interesting info. though. It seems impossible to get any information about this case, they just keep reporting the same thing over and over.


26 posted on 06/24/2005 3:44:58 PM PDT by Betaille ("Within the covers of the Bible are all the answers for all the problems men face." -Ronald Reagan)
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To: cake_crumb
I can't stand Greta Van Susteren.

Me, either.

27 posted on 06/24/2005 3:46:22 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Working Class Zero with wall-to-wall carpeting.)
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To: TexasConservative46

Did you just wander over here from DU to take a few pot shots?


28 posted on 06/24/2005 3:47:16 PM PDT by Blessed
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To: TexasConservative46

Oh come on, don't be like that. LOL!


29 posted on 06/24/2005 3:48:16 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Betaille
First time I heard about the ATM visits? Why at that hour? It ought to be easy looking at the bank records to see if this was out of the norm, to have withdrawals at this time of night. Anyway, this is an interesting development, for sure. Thanks.
30 posted on 06/24/2005 3:49:59 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: 1066AD

"Premeditated ? That doesn't fit the "accident" theories put forward by some."

Yeah I was under the impression that there had probably been an accident with an overdose on a Date-Rape drug, and Joran panicked and hid the body. That would probably be manslaughter plus evidence tampering and lying to the police.

Keep in mind though that just because they are holding him on suspicion of aidin' and abettin' a "Premeditated Murder" doesn't necessarily mean that is the most likely theory. Until they start being honest and straightforward with the authorities, the authorities are right to assume the worst. "If you don't tell us what happened we have to assume the worst" sort of thing.


31 posted on 06/24/2005 3:51:09 PM PDT by Betaille ("Within the covers of the Bible are all the answers for all the problems men face." -Ronald Reagan)
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To: Tax-chick

Greta's got a kind face. Kind you don't really want to look at!


32 posted on 06/24/2005 3:51:20 PM PDT by Wiggins
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To: rawhide

Our theory in the Sterious house--the party boat guy was friends with one or more of the three (possible) perps, so he might have helped for that reason. The father, it seems, might have told him how to clean up and get rid of other evidence.

Then again, it could be something else altogether.


33 posted on 06/24/2005 3:52:49 PM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: Wiggins

Before the plastic surgery, she looked homely, but human. Now she looks like she's wearing a Silly Putty mask - nothing moves but the eyes.


34 posted on 06/24/2005 3:53:26 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Working Class Zero with wall-to-wall carpeting.)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

That's easy, L.F.--just click on another story (instead of this one) and poof! It's gone.

Or does your mouse only click on stories you don't like?


35 posted on 06/24/2005 3:53:43 PM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: TexasConservative46
Fox News needs to stop obsessing about this.

You are right. Hannity and Colmes is off my list until this thing is over and Sustern, well she's been off my list for a long time.

36 posted on 06/24/2005 3:55:29 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: devane617

I think it's unhealthy to watch any channel--even Fox--as long as some here seem to do. There are literally hundreds of other channels, at least on Dish Network. Almost any 24/hr news channel repeats itself every hour--over and over and over and over. Give it an hour, then give it up. Do something else.


37 posted on 06/24/2005 3:56:26 PM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: rawhide
I was thinking the same thing! I believe they are still holding the party boat guy, right? I dont think they've let him out of jail yet.The mother of Natalee keeps insisting she was kidnapped! I'm puzzled by this, unless she knows something we don't, or is just in denial. But yeah the father got a call from the son saying'' This girl is dead, dad help ,I don't want to go to jail.'' How hard would it be for the father to sweep the girl up from the beach in the darkness of night tell the kid to go get his ''party boat'' friend and whisk her off to sea and dump the body assuming sharks would get rid of the evidence? All before the sun came up. Of course it's all speculation on my part.But knowing a parents love for their kids,I can see this dad doing it for him! What I'm worried about is down the road! My best friend is Swedish and she tells me the Dutch are even more liberal then the Swedes. I hope this guy doesn't get away with a plea bargain or something and get out in a year to go on to his Florida scholarship like nothing ever happened. I hear they even have coffee breaks and cocktail hour in their jails over there. Yikes!
38 posted on 06/24/2005 3:57:22 PM PDT by Bush gal in LA
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To: Wiggins
"Greta's got a kind face. Kind you don't really want to look at!"

FOFLOL! I gotta go tell that one to Hubby....

39 posted on 06/24/2005 3:57:44 PM PDT by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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To: TexasConservative46

Then why are you on this thread? We all have choices, and here on FR there are zillions of threads to read. On television, there are hundreds of channels. If you can't find what you want on television or Free Republic, why not just find something else to do? Surely, you do have other things to do?


40 posted on 06/24/2005 4:00:21 PM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: MizSterious

I think it's unhealthy to watch any channel--even Fox--as long as some here seem to do. There are literally hundreds of other channels, at least on Dish Network. Almost any 24/hr news channel repeats itself every hour--over and over and over and over. Give it an hour, then give it up. Do something else.

****

Agreed. Too much news all the time is depressing...bad for your health.

I usually switch to some mindless comedy or see if TCM has any good old movies on. Or I put on a DVD or video from my collection. Or better yet, I turn off the tv and do something else.


41 posted on 06/24/2005 4:00:58 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Betaille
Perhaps Father Paulus went to the ATM machine to get some quick cash to pay one or more persons to dispose of the body and keep mum.

It also sounds like some bad things may have gone on in the wee hours in the Paulus home or in the kid's adjacent apartment.......with the father involved before, during or after.......or maybe all three.

Gulp

Leni

43 posted on 06/24/2005 4:02:02 PM PDT by MinuteGal (Florida Freepers: Check out the Florida Forum. Click the Florida Flag on Your Profile Page)
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To: TexasConservative46

well i am afraid you are just out of luck, bc there is plenty of interest and therefore the coverage will continue. guess we can't pick our news stories of choice : )


44 posted on 06/24/2005 4:02:59 PM PDT by xsmommy
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To: cake_crumb

I can't stand Greta Van Sustern. Couldn't stand her when she was on CNN. She'd be nothing today if it weren't for the OJ trial.

***

Several Freepers tell me they like Nancy Grace. She's ok I guess, but I can't watch her for very long. Far too melodramatic at times. My advice to her would be to report, do the interviews, show maybe some concern, but please dispense with that relentless, overwrought handwringing. Kinda ruins it all for me.


45 posted on 06/24/2005 4:05:12 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: fatnotlazy

Plus, there's this new-fangled invention, called a "book"--imagine that, words on paper, instead of a screen! ;)


46 posted on 06/24/2005 4:05:20 PM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: All

My first guess when this story broke was that someone dumped her in the ocean. I still believe it. After all, isn't this near where Rep.Major Owens (D-NY) claims the sharks are still swimming around waiting for bodies?


47 posted on 06/24/2005 4:06:20 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft
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To: TexasConservative46

I'm sure you've noticed that the missing and disabled people that we obsess about are all pretty young white women (or girls).
Where are the "diversity police" who insist on racial equality? Why aren't we upset about ugly Black men who have disappeared?
Who gets to pick the cause celebre?

I don't understand this group hysteria thing, either.


48 posted on 06/24/2005 4:06:27 PM PDT by speekinout
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To: Betaille

They ARE very tight lipped! Maybe cause they botched the case. But yeah, the money thing is strange. I know it's a gambling town with many casinos so I guess the dad could say he was withdrawing cash that late for the casinos or whatever , but he doesnt look like the type to gamble. The son does though. Its either that, or the'' party boat'' guy would not accept a check!


49 posted on 06/24/2005 4:07:27 PM PDT by Bush gal in LA
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To: MizSterious

Exactly.

My best friend's parents, both in their 90's and with so much time on their hands, watch the Weather Channel constantly. My friend was just saying recently that she thinks her parents are losing their mental faculties. No wonder. Watching the Weather Channel for hours on end is frying their brains.


50 posted on 06/24/2005 4:08:05 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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