Posted on 06/25/2005 8:33:25 AM PDT by herst1240
69% of low-income boys shouldnt think of bricklaying as their future. And to create a caste system where mostly women are educated is dangerous and destabilizing, to families and to society.
Undereducated males have higher rates of unemployment, low life satisfaction, and more likely to commit crimes, etc.
Here's the bottom line: The education system is failing boys, and the stats are starting to show it.
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Sounds like the old USSR...
Competent women and drunk men.
I always felt that an "affirmative action" was simply nodding your head.
Well, I wasn't arguing with you, that's for sure. I think you said it well when you said
"and *really* shows that *specific* skills and knowledge in education beats the generalized nonsense that passes for education these days. Some of that specific skills learning can happen outside traditional education, but a LOT of it (programming, engineering, math, sciences, doctor, lawyer, accountant, teacher, etc.) requires college."HOwever, I don't think you realize just how much these NON-COLLEGE educated, but skilled folks are making these days nor how the job market has huge demands for them versus the job market for most college-degreed folks.
You also said,
"I have a PhD and I still need to be learning new things every day to avoid becoming obsolete. If you are in a job that doesnt demand that of you, you can expect low-wage competition from any of: other unedereducated folks (immigrants), outsourcing, and/or automation."I agree with this for any level of education and/or skill. With the growth of technology exponentially for the past few decades, the learning curve also necessarily follows. In a nutshell, when one quits learning, one gets left behind no matter one's avocation.
To succeed in America, a white male has to be twice as capable as a member of any "historically disadvantaged group".
Fortunately, this is not difficult. ;)
Funny thing I barely graduated high school and by this chart I'm somewhere between a Doctoral and Masters degree. I guess my pipe wrench and welding torch is a little better than most college degrees. Even funnier my father didn't even make it through high school and he's got a cleaning business that makes a whole lot more than the average Professional degree. The moral of the story; go to vocational high school or a trade school. College is for people who can't use their hands. I see them all the time. They couldn't tell the difference of a lug nut from a lag bolt. Face it college grads better make lots of money because every time something breaks the guy who fixes the stuff is going to rob them blind.
More likely it means that a 4-year college is no longer going to be the path to a white collar job.
She bought that when all the programmers (for a living) in her grad java programming class were asking her (an art major) for help and she made the top grade. Oh, she was the only female in that class...so the numbers do change in grad school, I think.
On the other hand, the "whit collar" jobs women are qualifying for are dead end as far as income are concerned. Middle management at best.
You are correct. Follow the money.
I am an attorney myself, self employed. Many of my clients are business owners in the trades who started off as apprentices, etc. Most are doing just fine, and much much better than most of my friends with BA's.
The difference is that a person with a BA rarely has any valuable skill worth anything to an employer. Most I have met have poor writing skills and don't offer anything significant in the real world.
maybe that was then; this is now.
"Well, just because you get the sheepskin doesn't mean you know anything. I work with a lot of MBA's that are morons."
Yeah, but at least an education would help correct some of this egregiously bad lack of logic floating around.
Let see, you know some morons with a degree; therefore ... what? That is purely anecdotal evidence that means, what?
That all MBAs are morons? Nope. That most are? Nope.
That more MBAs are morons than a kid without any college degree? Nope.
All your anecdote tells us is that some (probably small fraction) of MBAs are morons. That doesnt 'prove' that a college degree doesn't mean anything, it merely shows that it is not a 100% proof of competence.
So your statement is a non sequitor. Try Logic 101, it might help you.
I'd rather have a degreed CPA doing my financial books than an average name out of a phonebook, but I'd still check out the quality of the CPA.
" With the way all education has been dumbed down there is no guarantee that a degree means much other than they payed the fee and attended class, especially from public universities."
Post #59 has this - a college degree is a path to higher average earnings ...
According to the census Bureau the breakdown is thus:
Average annual earnings by education level*
Professional Degree $109,600
Doctoral Degree $89,400
Master's Degree $62,300
Bachelor's Degree $52,200
Associate's Degree $38,200
Some college $36,800
High school graduate $30,400
* Source: U.S. Census Bureau, Current Population Surveys, March 1998, 1999, and 2000. Tabulations reflect the average annual earnings of full-time, year-round workers 25 to 64 years old.
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