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US analyzes Chinese militarization, fears Taiwan attack (Chinese dragon awakens)
Washington Times ^ | 26 june 2005 | Bill gertz

Posted on 06/26/2005 5:29:25 AM PDT by voletti

China is building its military forces faster than U.S. intelligence and military analysts expected, prompting fears that Beijing will attack Taiwan in the next two years, according to Pentagon officials. U.S. defense and intelligence officials say all the signs point in one troubling direction: Beijing then will be forced to go to war with the United States, which has vowed to defend Taiwan against a Chinese attack. China's military buildup includes an array of new high-technology weapons, such as warships, submarines, missiles and a maneuverable warhead designed to defeat U.S. missile defenses. Recent intelligence reports also show that China has stepped up military exercises involving amphibious assaults, viewed as another sign that it is preparing for an attack on Taiwan. "There's a growing consensus that at some point in the mid-to-late '90s, there was a fundamental shift in the sophistication, breadth and re-sorting of Chinese defense planning," said Richard Lawless, a senior China-policy maker in the Pentagon. "And what we're seeing now is a manifestation of that change in the number of new systems that are being deployed, the sophistication of those systems and the interoperability of the systems." China's economy has been growing at a rate of at least 10 percent for each of the past 10 years, providing the country's military with the needed funds for modernization. The combination of a vibrant centralized economy, growing military and increasingly fervent nationalism has transformed China into what many defense officials view as a fascist state. "We may be seeing in China the first true fascist society on the model of Nazi Germany, where you have this incredible resource base in a commercial economy with strong nationalism, which the military was able to reach into and ramp up incredible production," a senior defense official said.

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And this is the China our NATO 'allies' in the EU and even otherwise sensible Israel were planning to sell weapon systems to!

From the article: For Pentagon officials, alarm bells have been going off for the past two years as China's military began rapidly building and buying new troop- and weapon-carrying ships and submarines. The release of an official Chinese government report in December called the situation on the Taiwan Strait "grim" and said the country's military could "crush" Taiwan.

Earlier this year, Beijing passed an anti-secession law, a unilateral measure that upset the fragile political status quo across the Taiwan Strait. The law gives Chinese leaders a legal basis they previously did not have to conduct a military attack on Taiwan, U.S. officials said. The war fears come despite the fact that China is hosting the Olympic Games in 2008 and, therefore, some officials say, would be reluctant to invoke the international condemnation that a military attack on Taiwan would cause.

In the past, some defense specialists insisted a Chinese attack on Taiwan would be a "million-man swim" across the Taiwan Strait because of the country's lack of troop-carrying ships. "We left the million-man swim behind in about 1998, 1999," the senior Pentagon official said. "And in fact, what people are saying now, whether or not that construct was ever useful, is that it's a moot point, because in just amphibious lift alone, the Chinese are doubling or even quadrupling their capability on an annual basis." Asked about a possible Chinese attack on Taiwan, the official put it bluntly: "In the '07-'08 time frame, a capability will be there that a year ago we would have said was very, very unlikely. We now assess that as being very likely to be there." Air Force Gen. Paul V. Hester, head of the Pacific Air Forces, said the U.S. military has been watching China's military buildup but has found it difficult to penetrate Beijing's "veil" of secrecy over it. While military modernization itself is not a major worry, "what does provide you a pause for interest and concern is the amount of modernization, the kind of modernization and the size of the modernization," he said during a recent breakfast meeting with reporters. China is building capabilities such as aerial refueling and airborne warning and control aircraft that can be used for regional defense and long-range power projection, Gen. Hester said. It also is developing a maneuverable re-entry vehicle, or MARV, for its nuclear warheads. The weapon is designed to counter U.S. strategic-missile defenses, according to officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity. The warhead would be used on China's new DF-31 long-range missiles and its new submarine missile, the JL-2. Work being done on China's weapons and reconnaissance systems will give its military the capability to reach 1,000 miles into the sea, "which gives them the visibility on the movement of not only our airplanes in the air, but also our forces at sea," Gen. Hester said. Beijing also has built a new tank for its large armed forces. It is known as the Type 99 and appears similar in design to Germany's Leopard 2 main battle tank. The tank is outfitted with new artillery, anti-aircraft and machine guns, advanced fire-control systems and improved engines. The country's air power is growing through the purchase of new fighters from Russia, such as Su-30 fighter-bombers, as well as the development of its own fighter jets, such as the J-10. Gen. Hester compared Chinese warplanes with those of the former Soviet Union, which were less capable than their U.S. counterparts, but still very deadly. "They have great equipment. The fighters are very technologically advanced, and what we know about them gives us pause for concern against ours," he said. Missiles also are a worry. "It is their surface-to-air missiles, their [advanced] SAMs and their surface-to-surface missiles, and the precision, more importantly, of those surface-to-surface missiles that provide, obviously, the ability to pinpoint targets that we might have out in the region, or our friends and allies might have," Gen. Hester said. The advances give the Chinese military "the ability ... to reach out and touch parts of the United States -- Guam, Hawaii and the mainland of the United States," he said. To better deal with possible future conflicts in Asia, the Pentagon is modernizing U.S. military facilities on the Western Pacific island of Guam and planning to move more forces there. The Air Force will regularly rotate Air Expeditionary Force units to Guam and also will station the new long-range unmanned aerial vehicle known as Global Hawk on the island, he said. It also has stationed B-2 stealth bombers on Guam temporarily and is expected to deploy B-1 bombers there, in addition to the B-52s now deployed there, Gen. Hester said.

1 posted on 06/26/2005 5:29:26 AM PDT by voletti
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To: voletti
"There's a growing consensus that at some point in the mid-to-late '90s, there was a fundamental shift in the sophistication, breadth and re-sorting of Chinese defense planning,"

It is probably not coincidence that's about the time that China started to really bring in the dollars:

China's economy has been growing at a rate of at least 10 percent for each of the past 10 years, providing the country's military with the needed funds for modernization. The combination of a vibrant centralized economy, growing military and increasingly fervent nationalism has transformed China into what many defense officials view as a fascist state. "We may be seeing in China the first true fascist society on the model of Nazi Germany, where you have this incredible resource base in a commercial economy with strong nationalism, which the military was able to reach into and ramp up incredible production," a senior defense official said.

I am glad that at least we have senior defense officials who aren't missing this. I certainly wish some of that acuity could be found among a few more of our political officials.

2 posted on 06/26/2005 6:00:08 AM PDT by snowsislander
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To: voletti

If they can't invade Taiwan in the next 2 years, they will in the next 5 or 10.

The Chinese are patient people, and there's nothing we can do to stop them from bulding a very powerful military machine, like ours.

In the past, China was not an expansionist power, and I doubt that they seek to be this time, but for Taiwan.


3 posted on 06/26/2005 6:05:49 AM PDT by tomahawk (http://tomahawkblog.blogspot.com/)
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To: voletti
The Chinese can only hope to make it a lightning fast action that will lead to the immediate capitulation of Taiwan. The People's Liberation Army Navy can't begin to defend its sea lanes. Oil and commerce could be cut off overnight by the USN at points far from China. They would also lose their plastic crap to Walmart business. That would be total war with a nuclear power, but currently they can't compete in a nuclear war, just bluff our lefties.

I'm not saying the Chinese aren't thinking war vis a vis Taiwan, just that I don't think they're stupid, so we shouldn't predict a conventional buildup from them.
4 posted on 06/26/2005 6:09:53 AM PDT by SampleMan
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To: tomahawk
In the past, China was not an expansionist power, and I doubt that they seek to be this time, but for Taiwan. An incredible misstatement, if I've heard one. From what I recall, China has border disputes with every single one of its neighbours. It makes claims on several 1000s of sq.miles of land belonging to india , Russia and smaller neighbours (esp. islands in the south china sea). It justifies centuries old mercantile ties as reason enough for extending Chinese dominion (e.g. Tibet, and claims on Sikkim, Ladakh and Arunachal). I mean, I could go on and on but your opinion of china's 'peaceable-ness' is woefully flawed, my friend.
5 posted on 06/26/2005 6:10:44 AM PDT by voletti (Civilizations don't die. They commit suicide..)
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To: snowsislander
I am glad that at least we have senior defense officials who aren't missing this. I certainly wish some of that acuity could be found among a few more of our political officials

When one understands the typical mental capacity of the average congress person and realizes the kind of 'issues' they spend their time on these days, it should cause much more alarm than the chinese build up. We don't have to worry about the chinese as much as we have to worry about our own 'leadership'.

6 posted on 06/26/2005 6:16:19 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: snowsislander

Fact is, the DEMOCRATS AND THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION COMMITTED TREASON AND TRANSFERRED SENSITIVE U.S. MILITARY TECHNOLOGY AND RESOURCES TO CHINA!!

READ IT FOR YOURSELVES! THERE IS LOTS OF VERIFIABLE DOCUMENTATION ABOUT THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION TRANSFERRING U.S. "DUAL-USE" AND SENSITIVE MILITARY TECHNOLOGY TO CHINA!

http://www.nodnc.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=19

Between the treason with China, and the treason of the liberal courts, America is being dismantled and destroyed by the United Nations Socialists (United Nazis) in Congress that call themselves Democrats...

The Democrats pledge their NATIONALIST LOYALTY to the collectivist body (SOCIALIST) body called the United Nations... Meanwhile, their SOCIALIST JUDGES are shredding the Constitution so fast that it is virtually non-existent.

Is it any wonder that the United Nations Socialists in Congress want all of the guns and will do anything in their power to take them?

A population that can not defend itself can not resist the tyranny of a totalitarian SOCIALIST government.

ANTI-DNC Web Portal at ---> http://www.noDNC.com


7 posted on 06/26/2005 6:34:15 AM PDT by woodb01 (ANTI-DNC Web Portal at ---> http://www.noDNC.com)
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To: voletti

If China takes Taiwan what is to stop them from taking North and South Korea and perhaps even Japan? If China attacks Taiwan what choice is there but to fight them or wait until they take enough places to and look to Hawai?


8 posted on 06/26/2005 6:40:50 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: voletti; All
Wow the United States still has no idea of what China has planned - My suggestion is look to Southeast Asia.

Yin and Yang

9 posted on 06/26/2005 6:43:06 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: sgtbono2002

wow. the analogy to nazi germany taking czech, then poland then on and on into russia is unmistakeble.
Ina related vein, another war, been brewing some 1400 yrs now has also taken an ultra-fascistic path and has expanded dominion imperiously starting in the arabian peninsula in the 7th century....


10 posted on 06/26/2005 6:53:08 AM PDT by voletti (Civilizations don't die. They commit suicide..)
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To: SampleMan
Oil and commerce could be cut off overnight by the USN at points far from China.

WOuldn't China retaliate by cutting us off from the Panama Canal? (Thanks to the brain-dead idiot Carter.)

11 posted on 06/26/2005 7:47:05 AM PDT by Maceman (The Qur'an is Qur'ap.)
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To: voletti

I hope that some Freepers now understand why we are cozying up to Vietnam.

China and Vietnam are natural enemies, the US and Vietnam are not.

In 1979 Vietnam repulsed and defeated a Chines attempt to invade Vietnam.

Vietnam can be a very powerful ally


12 posted on 06/26/2005 7:54:22 AM PDT by atlanta67
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To: atlanta67

You are correct. The Chinese could get tied up in a losing jungle war across southeast Asia.


13 posted on 06/26/2005 8:10:12 AM PDT by frankenMonkey
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To: Maceman

""WOuldn't China retaliate by cutting us off from the Panama Canal? (Thanks to the brain-dead idiot Carter.)"""


How exactly would they be able to do that and sustain it?



14 posted on 06/26/2005 8:31:49 AM PDT by atlanta67
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To: Maceman

The Panama Canal doesn't stop trade to the U.S. Japanese goods, etc. would be rerouted, some of it around and some overland. Second, if it came to war, we would be in the position to take the canal if we needed to. Blowing the canal locks would hurt Europe and other Asian countries more than it would us. But we own the high seas.


15 posted on 06/26/2005 8:55:44 AM PDT by SampleMan
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To: atlanta67; frankenMonkey

I disagree. IMO China would take Vietnam with nothing more than a phone call.

"We have 1,000,000 troops enroute to your country as we speak, wanna wrestle?"

Ummm, no thanks......click......end of call..........dial tone........war over!


16 posted on 06/26/2005 9:35:54 AM PDT by panaxanax
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To: atlanta67
How exactly would they be able to do that and sustain it?

The Chinese own the facilities at both ends of the canals. In an active exchange of aggressive retaliatory and hostile actions between us and them, what practical considerations would stop them from refusing to let US ships or cargo pass through?

17 posted on 06/26/2005 10:02:06 AM PDT by Maceman (The Qur'an is Qur'ap.)
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To: snowsislander

"I am glad that at least we have senior defense officials who aren't missing this. I certainly wish some of that acuity could be found among a few more of our political officials."

Japan isn't missing this either. China is going to become a serious threat to stability withing the next few years and I feel that trying to coax them to a more Democratic form of government through trade has only resulted in stuffing their coffers.


18 posted on 06/26/2005 10:15:14 AM PDT by lt.america (Captain was already taken)
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To: Maceman

I division of marines landing there.

My point to your point is this. We can seize the canal, where as they cannot resupply their people there.


19 posted on 06/26/2005 11:06:31 AM PDT by atlanta67
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To: panaxanax

""I disagree. IMO China would take Vietnam with nothing more than a phone call.

"We have 1,000,000 troops enroute to your country as we speak, wanna wrestle?"

Ummm, no thanks......click......end of call..........dial tone........war over!"


I suggest you educate yourself on the 1978-79 Vietnamese-Chinese war.


20 posted on 06/26/2005 11:07:31 AM PDT by atlanta67
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