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Deputy Fires at Car Driven by 12-Year-Old
Yahoo News ^ | June 27, 2005 | Yahoo

Posted on 06/27/2005 10:19:12 AM PDT by Nachum

LAKELAND, Fla. - A sheriff's deputy trying to stop an erratic driver fired at the car when it lurched toward him, not realizing a 12-year-old girl was behind the wheel, officials said. Neither she nor her 6-year-old brother were hit.

Deputy Chris Hillsgrove and a colleague pursued the car Sunday, eventually blocking it between their two patrol cars. When the deputies exited their vehicles, the car lurched forward and backward into the two cars, then drove toward Hillsgrove, Polk County Sheriff's spokeswoman Michal Shanley said.

"He, fearing for his life, fired several shots at the oncoming vehicle and managed to jump out of the way as the vehicle sped by him," Shanley said. The car then crashed into a nearby parked car.

The officers couldn't see the driver because the car's window's were tinted, she said.

The deputies discovered the driver was a 12-year-old girl when they broke a passenger-side window to get in, Shanley said. Her 6-year-old brother was also inside.

The girl suffered cuts and bruises, but neither child had been shot, Shanley said. The shots had passed over her head.

The girl was charged with attempted murder, auto theft, driving without a license and other counts. Hillsgrove was placed on administrative leave pending an investigation.

The girl had asked for and received the keys to the car, which belonged to a family friend, Shanley said.


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KEYWORDS: 12yearold; at; by; car; deputy; driven; fires
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1 posted on 06/27/2005 10:19:17 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

Why was the guy placed on leave, it sounds like he did the right thing to me.


2 posted on 06/27/2005 10:22:04 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (This is not your granddaddy's America)
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To: Nachum

And now I suppose there will be all sorts of investigations into the poor deputy by the libs.Shooting at a child! Imagine!


3 posted on 06/27/2005 10:23:02 AM PDT by Mears (Keep the government out of my face!)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

Discharge of a weapon often is often automatic cause for adminstrative leave.


4 posted on 06/27/2005 10:23:31 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Ah, spring. Such as it is.)
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To: Nachum
The girl had asked for and received the keys to the car, which belonged to a family friend, Shanley said.

No charges there?

5 posted on 06/27/2005 10:24:02 AM PDT by scott7278 (Before I give you the benefit of my reply, I'd like to know what we're talking about.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg
Discharge of a weapon often is often automatic cause for adminstrative leave.

Proofreading is my friend.

6 posted on 06/27/2005 10:24:18 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Ah, spring. Such as it is.)
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To: Nachum
The girl had asked for and received the keys to the car, which belonged to a family friend, Shanley said.

What? Charges against that family friend????

7 posted on 06/27/2005 10:24:19 AM PDT by tutstar ( <{{--->< OurFlorida.true.ws Impeach Judge Greer)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

It sure sounds like a justifiable discharge to me. Thanks for the info.


8 posted on 06/27/2005 10:25:32 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (This is not your granddaddy's America)
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To: scott7278

Yeah, that to me is the real story.


9 posted on 06/27/2005 10:26:09 AM PDT by kx9088
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To: Mears

Last time a car came at me I didn't get to shoot at it, and I wasn't even chasing it.


10 posted on 06/27/2005 10:26:27 AM PDT by HaveGunWillTravel
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To: Nachum
The officers couldn't see the driver because the car's window's were tinted...

Fourth Commandment: Be Sure of Your Target and What's Beyond You can't stop a shot in mid-air. So don't fire unless you know exactly where your shot is going and what it will strike. Never fire at a sound, a movement or a patch of color. Never shoot without being absolutely sure of what you're shooting at, and what's behind it. Remember, bullets can travel great distances with tremendous velocity -- know how far your shot will go if you miss your target or your bullet ricochets.
11 posted on 06/27/2005 10:26:38 AM PDT by FroedrickVonFreepenstein (comment #4 removed by Moderator)
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To: Nachum

That girl is lucky she wasn't killed. What in the world was she thinking? And what was the "family friend" thinking? People can be such idiots!


12 posted on 06/27/2005 10:26:46 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: FroedrickVonFreepenstein
It seems to me he hit his target.

Even had he known it was a 12-year-old, he would have been fully justified in shooting her to protect his life and the lives of other bystanders.

That's how it is when you play in the big leauges.

13 posted on 06/27/2005 10:33:22 AM PDT by jboot (Faith is not a work)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

They always do that for pschological reasons. To de-stress.


14 posted on 06/27/2005 10:34:45 AM PDT by PreviouslyA-Lurker (...where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 2 Corinthians 3:16-18)
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To: scott7278

"No charges there?"

She may have said she wanted to get something out of the trunk. I don't think it is illegal to give a twelve yr. old keys in order to get something from the car. I am pretty sure the family friend didn't want her to steal his car.


15 posted on 06/27/2005 10:37:46 AM PDT by monday
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To: Nachum
A sheriff's deputy trying to stop an erratic driver fired at the car when it lurched toward him, not realizing a 12-year-old girl was behind the wheel, officials said. Neither she nor her 6-year-old brother were hit.

He did nothing wrong. He was acting to stop the vehicle by stopping the driver. Not knowing who was driving is absolutely immaterial, if his life was in danger. Would it matter if it were Santa Claus apparently trying to run hime down?

16 posted on 06/27/2005 10:37:53 AM PDT by MortMan (Mostly Harmless)
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To: jboot

So if we lose the brakes in a vehicle and an officer is nearby, we may be killed. Nice.

Of course, if he shoots the engine or better yet, the tires, he might stop the car.


17 posted on 06/27/2005 10:41:46 AM PDT by Bhrian
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To: Bhrian
Thats brilliant. A car is coming straight at you and your supposed to shoot the tires? Yeah and shooting into the engine with a 9mm isn't going to do a whole lot of damage. Maybe if he was packing a .50 cal.
18 posted on 06/27/2005 10:45:37 AM PDT by spartan_abn_inf
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To: FroedrickVonFreepenstein
Good morning.
"...if you miss your target..."

It was a cop wasn't it?

Michael Frazier
19 posted on 06/27/2005 10:47:06 AM PDT by brazzaville (No surrender,no retreat. Well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
Why was the guy placed on leave, it sounds like he did the right thing to me.

Standard procedure after an officer is involved in a shooting. He goes home on paid leave while the dpt investigates. Usually it lasts less than a week.

20 posted on 06/27/2005 10:48:55 AM PDT by Zeroisanumber
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To: MortMan
A sheriff's deputy trying to stop an erratic driver fired at the car when it lurched toward him, not realizing a 12-year-old girl was behind the wheel, officials said. Neither she nor her 6-year-old brother were hit.

It also sounds like the deputy was complying with the Golden Rule:

You don't kill the driver. You kill the car!

Administrative leave or "Riding A Desk" is SOP every time a cop discrarges his weapon. My guess is that this will be determined a "Good Shoot".

Jack.

21 posted on 06/27/2005 10:51:30 AM PDT by Jack Deth (Knight Errant and Disemboweler of the WFTD Thread)
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To: Bhrian

"Of course, if he shoots the engine or better yet, the tires, he might stop the car."

I agree. He should have shot the engine, although the resulting blast may have done lots of collateral damage. I once saw an episode of Kojak in which the hero shot a speeding '74 Lincoln at 650 yards with a a snubnosed .38 Special. The car exploded in a huge fireball with the first shot. That's what the deputy in this case should have done. I know it would have worked because I've seen it happen on television.


22 posted on 06/27/2005 10:54:02 AM PDT by Right Angler
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To: Nachum

Good grief! Where's the childrens parents? Also, why don't the police shoot out the tires of cars to stop them or to slow them down?


23 posted on 06/27/2005 10:55:37 AM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: Bhrian
Police are not trained to shoot the tires, and they never have been, except in the movies. Shooting the engine block with a service pistol is likewise a potentially very expensive gamble.

To stop a vehicle, police are trained to shoot the driver.

24 posted on 06/27/2005 10:58:31 AM PDT by jboot (Faith is not a work)
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To: spartan_abn_inf
Thats brilliant. A car is coming straight at you and your supposed to shoot the tires? Yeah and shooting into the engine with a 9mm isn't going to do a whole lot of damage. Maybe if he was packing a .50 cal.

Reminds me of the total idiot at a public hearing one time crying up a storm because a perp that needed killing got kilt and she wailed..."Couldn't you just shoot the gun out of his hand?!!?"

Public school education + too much TV...

25 posted on 06/27/2005 11:07:33 AM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: Jack Deth

Not sure I understand about "killing the car" versus the driver? Can you explain that to a befuddled software guy?


26 posted on 06/27/2005 11:08:04 AM PDT by MortMan (Mostly Harmless)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
"It sure sounds like a justifiable discharge to me. "

That's what the Jackson Jury said too...

27 posted on 06/27/2005 11:09:49 AM PDT by phasma proeliator (It's not always being fast or even accurate that counts... it's being willing.)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
Why was the guy placed on leave, it sounds like he did the right thing to me.

Well, if he did the right thing he did it incompetently; the driver wasn't hit.

28 posted on 06/27/2005 11:12:08 AM PDT by Grut
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To: Nachum
The girl had asked for and received the keys to the car, which belonged to a family friend, Shanley said.

Yet she was charged with auto theft. I wouldn't charge her with attempted murder either.

29 posted on 06/27/2005 11:26:24 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg
That's funny until you pointed out the error in your sentence my eyes skipped right over the first "often"

:)

CD
30 posted on 06/27/2005 11:27:01 AM PDT by Coffee_drinker (The best terrorist is a dead terrorist)
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To: Right Angler

Well, we can at least thank our lucky stars it wasn't a God forsaken SUV.


31 posted on 06/27/2005 11:30:37 AM PDT by Cvengr (<;^))
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To: jboot

Tires are sometimes very difficult to 'shoot out'. Bullets can bounce off of them.


32 posted on 06/27/2005 11:32:34 AM PDT by Cvengr (<;^))
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To: Nachum
The girl had asked for and received the keys to the car, which belonged to a family friend, Shanley said.

The 'family friend' must have been under the influence of drugs or alcohol at the time.

33 posted on 06/27/2005 11:36:39 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: jboot

I don't know much about cars or shooting at them, but...if you shoot the driver, doesn't the car then go out of control? Again, I don't really know anything about it, but it seems to me that controlling the car might be the first course of action.


34 posted on 06/27/2005 11:44:30 AM PDT by SoVaDPJ
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To: Cvengr
Many years ago, Guns & Ammo printed an article about the effectiveness of bullets agaist cars. It turns out that certain agencies have small teams trained specifically to stop high-speed chases. Due to the known resilience of steel-belted radial tires, their rules of engagement suggested that fire be directed at the rims instead. And these guys were using the .308 rifle, not service pistols.

"Shooting out the tires", much like "shooting the gun out of the perp's hand", is a Hollywood fiction.

35 posted on 06/27/2005 11:45:41 AM PDT by jboot (Faith is not a work)
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To: SoVaDPJ

A gun is a rotten tool for stopping a car, and the police have much better tools for doing so (like those tire rippers that they pull across the road in high-speed chases). But when a gun is the only tool at hand the best way to utilize it is to use it to neutralize whoever is controlling the vehicle. Short of an incredibly risky and foolhardy attempt to gain access to a moving vehicle, this cop had no other effective options.


36 posted on 06/27/2005 11:54:57 AM PDT by jboot (Faith is not a work)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
If no one else was in danger He should of jumped out of the way. As he had time to do that after he shot. Cops just want to shoot folks now days when there is easier and safer ways to stop them without resorting to deadly force. Too many cops forget if they bullet misses the target it becomes a danger to others.
37 posted on 06/27/2005 11:59:13 AM PDT by mouser (run the rats out its the only hope we have)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
If no one else was in danger He should of jumped out of the way. As he had time to do that after he shot. Cops just want to shoot folks now days when there is easier and safer ways to stop them without resorting to deadly force. Too many cops forget if they bullet misses the target it becomes a danger to others.
38 posted on 06/27/2005 12:00:29 PM PDT by mouser (run the rats out its the only hope we have)
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To: Right Angler
"I know it would have worked because I've seen it happen on television."

I think it was Steven Wright who told the story about messing with a hitchhiker. After he picked him up, he accelerated the car and told him, "Put on your seatbelt. I saw this in a cartoon once and I think I can do it".

39 posted on 06/27/2005 12:07:19 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Nachum

The girl is very lucky to be alive, and needs some time at Juvenile Hall to contemplate her good fortune.


40 posted on 06/27/2005 12:17:46 PM PDT by SmithL (There are a lot of people that hate Bush more than they hate terrorists)
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To: jboot

My favorite line from a western was I think Joe Kidd,...when he was aiming for the desparado escaping in the distance, pulled out the rifle for a long shot,...seconds later the rider falls off the horse,....bystander remarks, 'That was a helluva shot!',...The shooter drowls,,...'not really, I was aiming for the horse...'


41 posted on 06/27/2005 12:18:45 PM PDT by Cvengr (<;^))
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To: Nachum

It's a wonder the sheriff's deputy didn't have a heart attack when he learned who was behind the wheel.


42 posted on 06/27/2005 12:20:00 PM PDT by hershey
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To: Rodney King

Why not? It wasn't her car, she obviously wouldn't have a driver's license or insurance. The owner could not have legally given her permission to drive their car. also, almost running someone down sounds like attempted murder to me.


43 posted on 06/27/2005 1:05:01 PM PDT by Aonecountry
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To: Aonecountry
The owner could not have legally given her permission to drive their car.

Why not? Because she is 12? If so, then it is the owner who should somehow be arrested for stealing the car. If the girl didn't steal the car, then she shouldn't be charged with stealing it.

also, almost running someone down sounds like attempted murder to me.

She's 12. I doubt she has/had any ability to understand that what she was doing was life threatening. Therfore, it would be manslaughter at worst.

44 posted on 06/27/2005 1:21:57 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Rodney King

It's always been my understanding that if you are driving another person's car without their permission that's stealing. Isn't it?


45 posted on 06/27/2005 1:31:38 PM PDT by Aonecountry
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To: Aonecountry
It's always been my understanding that if you are driving another person's car without their permission that's stealing. Isn't it?

Yeah, but I thought the girl had the permission? I think we are just reading the story differently.

46 posted on 06/27/2005 1:34:03 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Aonecountry
...also, almost running someone down sounds like attempted murder to me.

At the ripe, old age of 12, almost running someone down sounds like total lack of skill behind the wheel and probable absence of malice. If she really had the skill required to run the cop down and the malicious intent to do it, she'd have been able to keep him lined up with the hood ornament in spite of all his dancing around and he wouldn't have had a prayer.

47 posted on 06/27/2005 1:40:15 PM PDT by HKMk23 (A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel. -- Robert Frost)
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To: Aonecountry

Wow, I can't count how many times over the years I have had to dodge cars flying through parking lots. I guess they all could have been changed with attempted murder. And, yes, there were times I feared for my life as well!


48 posted on 06/27/2005 1:44:51 PM PDT by spokanite
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To: Jack Deth
You don't kill the driver. You kill the car!

You don't? Why not? Saves a bundle of money in the long run.

Cuts down on global warming, too. Fewer perps = fewer emissions.

Worked while I was growing up; then the 60s came along, and everybody got touchy-feeling, namby-pamby, thanks to all the bitching over killing S.E. Asian commie murderers, and just look at us now....

49 posted on 06/27/2005 2:04:24 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more work horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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To: lilylangtree
Go[...] why don't the police shoot out the tires of cars to stop them or to slow them down?

Because you have to be at a certain angle to have a chance of hitting the tires; the target is very difficult to hit; meaning that bullets will go flying around in a varying background (which may include people); if you do hit the tires and they are certain types of steel radials, they may simply bounce; and if you do manage to overcome all of that and puncture the tire, it may not stop the car.

Shooting at tires is really bad judgment.

50 posted on 06/27/2005 2:45:58 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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