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Koran predicts "Blazing Hell Fire" for its own demise - (eloquent ex-Muslim; Islam must be crushed!)
HISTORY OF JIHAD.ORG ^ | JUNE 29, 2005 | Jihad Team

Posted on 06/30/2005 8:47:47 PM PDT by CHARLITE

Mohammed organized a people made bitter by the environment; by institutionalizing this bitterness into the theology of Islam.

He encouraged people to worship him, his hair (Hazratbal mosque at Kashmir in India, his spitum, the water gargled by him, his urine, ad nausem) Thus Islam was his own personality cult, and his was a murderous personality. Warriors with a desire to win pleasure on earth if they live and in heaven if they die, made them paranoid warriors, disregarded danger and were numb to pain and this brought victory, no alcohol also helped immensely to get a tactical advantage like never before.

Not Alexander not Julius Caesar and one before Mohammed’s mulish armies had this paranoid motivation where temporal was mixed with fantasy (spiritual). Every foul tactic was fair for allah war. No moral scruples. Thus only an army with a greater determination and paranoia and absence of morals than the Muslims, can defeat Islam. And the Americans will have to become so, if they are to defeat the Islamic Jihad.

They were organized as an army, with a command that was inviolable, so only another army with a better and more disciplined command could defeat them. The Persian were no mach, but the Franks were. And the Americans will have to become so if the are to defeat the Jihad.

The point to be emphasized here is that out of the 28 battles, Mohammad fought 27 were offensive. They cannot even be called pre-emptive, since none of his adversaries had made plans to attack Mohammed. The Quraish had left him in peace after he fled to Medina. The Koran uses the principle of making a Hudna (pretence of making peace) when the enemy is strong, and using that period to making oneself stronger than the enemy. And after the enemy is weak to attack the enemy by giving offense and provoking the enemy.

Hitler too did this when he attacked Poland in World War two, by saying that the Poles has attacked Germany and that the Nazis were defending Germany. Hitler’s strategy bears an uncanny resemblance to the Quranic prescription.

The Quran advocates this policy of giving offense to an adversary and in fact sanctifies such abominable behavior as a holy duty for all Muslims by declaring the faith to them and giving them an option of embracing Isloam or being prepared for an attack by Muslims. The beginning of the Islamic Jihad was in Mohammed’s banditry.

Today if America wants to outdo the Jihadis at their own game it would do well, to emulate this Quranic principle of giving offense to the adversary (today’s Jihadis), and then going in to crush them utterly. America needs to realize that the only way of defeating the Jihad is by subjugating one Muslim country after another by taking out a few cities using nukes and neutrons and then giving them an ultimatum of leaving Islam or facing destruction. This is what Mohammed did to the Quraish, to the people of Taif, and this is also what the Muslims did to the Sassanian Persians, Byzantines, Visigoths in Al Andalus (Spain), and many others. It is high time to pay the Muslims with their own coin, and this is the only way to defeat them.


The fiction of there being moderate Muslims

As the war on Terror progresses, there is an increasing clamor that we need to link up with the moderates among the Muslims and thus isolate the lunatic fringe of terrorists who indulge in beheadings, genocide bombings, terror attacks et al. But then all these acts have been sanctioned in the Quran itself, which calls for the slaying of Idolaters (Kafirs), asks Muslim to let the Kafirs find harshness in you, and forbids Muslims from taking Kafirs as friends. All Muslims believe in the Quran, be he/she an unlettered peasant, or a highly educated and qualified doctor, surgeon, software pro, judge, littérateur, or any other accomplished professional. A Muslim howsoever polished and sophisticated remains a beast at heart, as long as he follows the Quran. Ask any educated Muslim anywhere in the world, whether he upholds the UN Charter, the Constitution of the USA, UK, France, where he and his family has settled for generations, or he upholds the Quran with all its blood-thirsty injunctions and listen to his answer. He will say, before the Quran everything is null and void.

Nothing that is contrary to the Quran’s blood-thirsty injunctions is not acceptable for him, so we can conclude that a Muslim can never in his heart of hearts be a member of a civilized society. He may pretend to be one, as Mohammed Atta pretended to be before he flew the airplanes into the Twin Towers, but within him the beast shall always be alive, waiting for the right chance to reveal himself. For a Muslim every personal friendship with non-Muslims, oath of citizenship, loyalty to the armed forces, is all transitory and subservient to the Quran. And he would cast off all oaths, promises in favor of the Quran whenever he is in a position of power to do so.

So we caution you that a Muslim is always a Muslim first and last. Never take Muslims for your friends, never ever trust them, never make peace with them, and always strive for their destruction. A Muslim would always remain a beast inside his external polished demeanor and appearance. Given a chance he will slice your throat, if you do not accept Islam. Any Muslim who refuses to do this would be deemed a traitor, a Murtad (Apostate) by other Muslims and be done to death. So no Muslim will dare to step out of line. Yes there could be many Muslims who think in their heart of hearts that Islam is savage. But they will never say that openly. We would deem such Muslims as ex-Muslims.

There are Muslims, ex-Muslims and non-Muslims. There are no moderate Muslims.

A Moderate Muslim is like a lady being partially pregnant. This is fiction, either you are pregnant or you are not. So you are either a Muslim (and a follower of theat barbaric Quran) or you are an ex-Muslim. You cannot be both a Muslim and civilized, you cannot be a Muslim and moderate. This is a contradiction in terms. You are either civilized moderate or you are a Muslim. Take your choice.

The Paradox of the death seeking psychology of Islam

This very death seeking psychology of Islam is also the behind their wanting to become a suicide bombers today. Any power that wants to defeat this death-seeking psychology, will have to be a death-giving one. Since Muslims want martyrdom, then only those who can give them this martyrdom fast and on a mass scale can overcome this delinquent psychology of the Muslims. The roots of Islam are psychological, and only one who understand this psychology, can overcome it. Islam is a psychology of perpetual war; a psychology that had existed among the pre-Islamic Bedioun Arabs.

But then this psychology was not a global problem, since the Arabs fought amongst themselves. With Islam this psychology was inbuilt into religion and infused with a zeal to impose this psychology on all those who were weak enough to fall before Muslim swords. As long as Islam has other religions on this globe, the war Jihad, will go on till the whole world is Islamized.

But in the unlikely event of the entire world being Islamized, will this violence stop? No Never. Then in that global Dar-ul-Islam, Muslims would fight amongst themselves Shias against Sunnis, Iranians against Iraqis, Arabs against non-Arabs and so on. Herein lies the paradox of Islam. As long as Islam is surrounded by other religions, there will be violence, but even after, and if at all, Islam is alone on this globe, there will still be endless violence, till Islam is put to an end. Islam has a senseless and unmanageable agenda, with other religions, while they are not sensible, at least they are manageable. Other religions bear animosity against each other, but they can be sobered down and made to co-exist with each other, as do Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, Shintoism, Hinduism, Animism, etc. But Islam defies, being tamed, being made manageable. And it will defy till its violent end.

Before Islam burst upon the world, all other religions had made the world non-sensible, but it is Islam that has made religion unmanageable, Had Islam not been around, it would not have been necessary to think in terms of the demise of religion itself. It is Islam that is forcing and will continue to force humankind away from religion. While non-Islamic religions made man into a delinquent, who kept muttering to himself, Islam has made man into a delinquent who has gone violently berserk, The delinquent has now to be shot a tranquilizer and then given a strong sedative to sober him up, so that mankind can bury the delinquent behavior of religion which Islam has made criminal, and after which humankind can continue its march of knowledge and science to plant the banner of humanity across the universe, and not waste its energies in fighting against itself in the narrow confines of planet earth.

Unfortunately for humankind, the end of the death-seeking fiery cult of Islam can only come about through a fiery death-giving weapon. Ironically such nuclear mushroom clouds would be the blazing hell-fire that the Quran talks about and acknowledges will bring about an end to Islam such that there will be no one across the globe to say “Lah ilah il Allah, Mohammed ur Rasoolallah” (There is no god but allah and Mohammed is his prophet).


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To: wizardoz
Plenty of Satanists here in the good ole US of A as well are "harmless"

Well we don't want those idiots here either.

41 posted on 06/30/2005 11:30:49 PM PDT by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To: danamco

Holy $hi#!!!! Talk about ALARMING. Where did you find out about this? Can you freepmail me please?


42 posted on 06/30/2005 11:32:49 PM PDT by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To: danamco

Disregard my last request. Searched and found the verse to be a hoax.


43 posted on 06/30/2005 11:36:39 PM PDT by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To: coldoc

Thank you for the correction, sorry!!!


44 posted on 06/30/2005 11:36:57 PM PDT by danamco
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To: Windsong

A hoax, it was e-mailed to me from a trusted friend, sorry!!!


45 posted on 06/30/2005 11:38:46 PM PDT by danamco
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To: danamco; Windsong; All
sorry - that's a bit of hogwash that is making the rounds.

that verse appears nowhere in the Koran.
certainly not suriyah 9:11 -

[9.9] They have taken a small price for the communications of Allah, so they turn away from His way; surely evil is it that they do.
[9.10] They do not pay regard to ties of relationship nor those of covenant in the case of a believer; and these are they who go beyond the limits.

[9.11] But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, they are your brethren in faith; and We make the communications clear for a people who know.
[9.12] And if they break their oaths after their agreement and (openly) revile your religion, then fight the leaders of unbelief-- surely their oaths are nothing-- so that they may desist.
[9.13] What! will you not fight a people who broke their oaths and aimed at the expulsion of the Apostle, and they attacked you first; do you fear them? But Allah is most deserving that you should fear Him, if you are believers.

46 posted on 06/30/2005 11:41:53 PM PDT by King Prout (I'd say I missed ya, but that'd be untrue... I NEVER MISS)
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To: Eastbound

1 - yes, I would agree it will be justice. Eze 36-37-38-39 - facinating story.

2 - As for a translation error about "rocks" .. remember - the people who wrote this had never seen a rocket. And .. don't discount hail as being rocks.

3 - Yes, GOD does work through his people but this fight will be against the foes of Israel - and GOD has a separate covenant with them.


47 posted on 07/01/2005 12:46:19 AM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: CHARLITE
cc: President Bush, Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, Condi......


Nukes and Ultimatums

worked in '45, works in '05.
48 posted on 07/01/2005 1:08:55 AM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: Eastbound

"Thus only an army with a greater determination and paranoia and absence of morals than the Muslims, can defeat Islam."
Wrong premise.



I agree. Its just that today the definition of morals have been changed to something closer to tolerance and diversity.

Truman had Morals, which is why he decided to use the bomb. He not only saved a million Americans but probably many more millions of japanese. Cause you know, morality encompasses looking ahead as well as looking at what is going on now.


And the future, if not changed soon, will bring us Islam armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons aimed at US.


49 posted on 07/01/2005 1:21:27 AM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: Eastbound

If we are nuked first, then it will be time to clean out the arsenals and scorch the earth wherever it needs scorching



IMHO, we were nuked first. Actually we were nuked twice. Both in the same place.

-WTC 1993, by the grace of God, the building didn't go down immediately and kill tens of thousands.

-WTC 2001, the destruction was equal to a suitcase nuke at least.

Waiting to be nuked again, would be suicidal to this country. It could come from a shipping container, a truck coming across our unguarded border and do you think, in our present PC mentality, we would strike back against some country without "proof" that country was "involved".


No we can not wait to be nuked.


50 posted on 07/01/2005 1:40:52 AM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: wizardoz

Is it really so hard to believe there are Muslims who have some vague notion that being muslim means, essentially, you don't eat pork and you pray to the east... and not much else?



In Christian countries yes. Not in countries where civil law is the Sheria/koran/whatever the mulah/ayatolla says.

In Iran, Saudi Arabia, southern Iraq, Pakistan, and others, the law is Islam. It does not matter whether you are interested in obeying it or not because you may or may not be a moderate muslim. The LAW IS ISLAM.

You will do what ISLAM says.


51 posted on 07/01/2005 1:47:45 AM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: King Prout

I am equally certain that there were Nazi Germans who were generally alright folks - but this in no way demonstrates that Nazism was anything other than barbarous.



BULLSEYE!!!


52 posted on 07/01/2005 1:50:03 AM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: wizardoz

You cannot say Islam is kind by looking at the behavior of the submited and nonhalf of the muslim world. Did she have a choice under islam?No death penalty.

Then again,yeah,sure.I knew many devout muslim women before their marriage. Sodomy is their modus operandi to keep virginity.

Islam is cheating and faking purity.

Don't you get it, there is such a thing as hypocrisy, ie. sub criticism through their habits and no real devotion. It's all based in appearances and bigotry.

Western fools.

Islam is about power struggle. Everything about these "nice" muslims is about power and putting others in the crapper whole their noses are stuck on high.

So go on ahead, eat their filth,not me,and don't expect us to suport your habits.


53 posted on 07/01/2005 1:56:59 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: CyberAnt
"2 - As for a translation error about "rocks" .. remember - the people who wrote this had never seen a rocket."

Probably true. But some things make you wonder.

" And .. don't discount hail as being rocks"

Good point! Gives a whole new meaning to the song, "Hail, Hail, The Gang's All Here."

54 posted on 07/01/2005 2:37:39 AM PDT by Eastbound (Jacked out since 3/31/05)
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To: TomasUSMC
"Waiting to be nuked again, would be suicidal to this country. It could come from a shipping container, a truck coming across our unguarded border and do you think, in our present PC mentality, we would strike back against some country without "proof" that country was "involved"."

What a dilemma. I've been up half the night thinking about this and still haven't concluded anything.

But I think we would nuke any country that supports terrorism if we were nuked. Like Bush said, 'if you're not with us, you are against us,' or words to that effect. The public would demand it. If the muzzie countries knew and believed this would happen, indiscriminately, they would be busting a$$ to make sure it didn't happen.

On the other hand, I don't think they are all that civilized or care about the human race including themselves. Just look at the crap they have to put up with under the demands of Islam. Maybe that's what they are trying to escape from and what motivates them deep down.

As the months on this terrorism crap winds down, it would make no difference who struck first, for half the world would be unliveable. I would hope the muzzies would not want to go that way.

Re: Japan. They didn't have the capability to strike back and were quick to recognize their error. The muzzies don't have the brains to recognize error, so all the more reason to eliminate their capabilities -- whatever it took.

Let me extend that. If we knew without a doubt that they had the weaponry and delivery system, the rules would change quickly. If they could believe that we would not pre-empt, there would be no reason for them build the weapons.

If they go forward with their nuke program, that would change the equation the moment we found out about it. If we already know for sure they are building weapons, now is the time to take them out. Not tomorrow.

We had M.A.D. with Russia and it worked. But then, the Russians were civilized and they at least valued their own lives.

So you have a valid point. Take 'em out now if they even talk about building nukes.

But back to Square One again. Where do we start? Egypt? Iran? Regardless of where, you know the whole region is going to be barren of everything for a long time.

And the world will be changed overnight, for better or worse.

55 posted on 07/01/2005 4:01:37 AM PDT by Eastbound (Jacked out since 3/31/05)
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To: wizardoz

Until she is called to act.


56 posted on 07/01/2005 6:48:54 AM PDT by marty60
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To: JudgemAll
So go on ahead, eat their filth,not me,and don't expect us to suport your habits.

There are one billion people who are Muslim, most of them simply because they were raised that way. And you think you know every single one of them. You must be God!

57 posted on 07/01/2005 7:08:35 AM PDT by wizardoz
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To: tarheelswamprat

Ping!


58 posted on 07/01/2005 7:30:04 AM PDT by Eastbound (Jacked out since 3/31/05)
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To: CHARLITE
Good post. It would be nice if everyone understood the true nature of Muslims. Too many people judge Muslims by the standards of their own western culture which enshrine tolerance and diversity and religious freedom.

To assume Muslims are or can be taught to be tolerant of others is ignorant. Politicians, like Bush, who spread the lie that Muslims are peaceful and tolerant are enemies of freedom. They are useful idiots for Muslim propagandists.

Islam is as dangerous an ideology as Socialism or Fascism. All three are responsible for killing and enslaving millions. It must be fought with the same ruthlessness as socialism/communism and fascism was fought against. Only with it's total destruction will the world be safe from it's murderous influences.
59 posted on 07/01/2005 7:45:17 AM PDT by monday
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To: wizardoz
"I think this is nonsense. I knew a woman who was a moderate Muslim."

Muslim women are rarely the problem. They are slaves, property of their men. They do as they are told or they are killed. Your harmless Muslim woman was just doing as she was indoctrinated to do. Mindlessly follow instruction and produce sons.

You ask her which is more important though, freedom or the Koran, and she MUST choose the Koran. She has no choice. THAT is what makes Muslims dangerous, because the Koran teaches that individual freedom must not exist either among Muslims or anyone else. Everyone must follow the Koran. There is no tolerance for those who do not.

This woman won't try to force the "prophets" teachings on you, but you can bet her sons will. If they don't it will be because they are no longer Muslim.
60 posted on 07/01/2005 8:12:37 AM PDT by monday
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