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How to Think About the Crusades
Commentary ^ | July 2005 | Daniel Johnson

Posted on 07/01/2005 2:27:33 PM PDT by quidnunc

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To: Americanexpat
From the article:

"For Jews in the European Diaspora, the First Crusade was a catastrophe unprecedented since the destruction of the Temple. Three flourishing communities of the Rhineland — Worms, Mainz, and Cologne — were massacred by burghers and crusaders led by a German, Count Emicho of Leinigen, after the charismatic preacher Peter the Hermit had aroused popular hysteria. The frightful memory of these pogroms is preserved in three nearly contemporaneous Hebrew prose narratives, as well as in prayers and dirges that are recited to this day. Nor were these the only crusader persecutions of Jews. When Jerusalem fell in 1099, the Jews of the city were slaughtered along with the Muslims, and there were further assaults during the Second Crusade of 1147."

21 posted on 07/01/2005 3:04:16 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: quidnunc

Matthew.


22 posted on 07/01/2005 3:07:42 PM PDT by Jaded (Hell sometimes has fluorescent lighting and a trumpet.)
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To: quidnunc
"But Roman Africa and the Hellenic Levant were lost [to Islam] forever ..."

"Forever" is a long time. Like the soothsayer who warned Julius Caesar that "although the Ides of March have come, they have not yet passed" I should point out that we have not reached the end of forever yet.

23 posted on 07/01/2005 3:11:34 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Publius6961
Publius6961 wrote: Why is it that the reader can make a dammfool of himself, but the writer is exempt? Dammfool statments to make in the very first paragraph. Counterpoint - my elbow!

It always amazes me that so many who have no scholarship themselves have the gall to sniffily carp that bona fide scholars are doing it all wrong.

24 posted on 07/01/2005 3:11:42 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: Slump Tester

ping


25 posted on 07/01/2005 3:25:29 PM PDT by paudio (Four More Years..... Let's Use Them Wisely...)
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To: Americanexpat

I guess Western Europe should have done the politically correct thing back then and allow Islam to conquer the remaining third of Christendom. That way Christianity would now be extinct, or at best a minority cult, and we wouldn't have all these cultural clashes to worry about today.


26 posted on 07/01/2005 3:26:37 PM PDT by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (Washington State--Land of Court-approved Voting Fraud.)
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To: quidnunc

Excellent piece.


27 posted on 07/01/2005 3:32:57 PM PDT by marron
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To: PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
If the historical revisionist Marxists, Pagans and Muslims
get there way then reconquista of Europe and conquest of the west is achievable in this decade..

Oil fuels the new conquerers and their enablers and apologists.

Those who would sell us out to their new world order need the
Muslim terrorists as much as they need a morally weakened west
to bring their plans to fruition.

A job for CAIR, Hollywood, our politicans in their pockets and the Marxists.. The many headed beast.

28 posted on 07/01/2005 3:40:27 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Just trying to get in touch with my inner tagline..got feelers out but not much luck so far)
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To: quidnunc

Jews were also exterminated during the Crusades. There was another crusade before and during WWII, and too many people are ready for yet another one.


29 posted on 07/01/2005 3:41:23 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
I am not condoning the slaughter of innocent Jews during the crusades by any means. Only the hypocrisy of Muslims who act like they were attack without reason.
30 posted on 07/01/2005 3:45:47 PM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: PeoplesRepublicOfWashington

Many believe that!
Except for the Jews-I don't feel bad about the Crusades at all! If they had finished the Muslims off- look how much better THE WORLD would be today!
Instead of citing the Crusades as the reason for Islamic terrorism you'd THINK that they would have learned in all these years that you SHOULDN'T TRY YOUR WORLD DOMINATION INSANITY again! Wouldn't you?
If they didn't like the first Crusades- do they think they'll like the one they're gonna start with their jihad now?

I really believe that the 'we love death' assertation, and the penchant for suicide reveals a self-destructive component to Islam that goes back to the Crusades. Call it 'Survivor Syndrome'. They know their thinking and the time for their cult is past- Islam should have died in the dark ages in which it was born. It is out of place here and now- and so they revel in death and provoke the world to retaliate against them once more.


31 posted on 07/01/2005 3:50:28 PM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: familyop

Let us learn from the Crusades,then.
If the Jews were considered enemies of Christianity and civilization then- they ARE NOT NOW.
MUSLIMS remain so.

Times have changed, methods for fighting our enemies have changed, but it seems the enemy has not changed at all.


32 posted on 07/01/2005 3:55:54 PM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Not all the crusades were directed at the ME, and the Mongols and Columbus had a far bigger effect on Islam than the crusades ever dreamed of. If the Moslems are that concerned about the crusades, then they are hopelessly miseducated of history and misdirected.


33 posted on 07/01/2005 3:58:01 PM PDT by RightWhale (withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty)
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To: Americanexpat
Crusade - Jihad. Jihad - Crusade. What came first Jihad or Crusade? I guess when you attack people they will usually attack you back.


this jihad will make this the FINAL crusade....

34 posted on 07/01/2005 3:58:01 PM PDT by Nat Turner (TRY THIS)
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To: muir_redwoods
Preaching the Gospel

With Steel

Why waste good steel? Let the hellfire begin early!


35 posted on 07/01/2005 4:00:04 PM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: muir_redwoods
Preaching the Gospel With Steel

And this is a Good Thing, right, 'cause we wouldn't want to be like those eeeeevil Mooslimes with their "convert-or-die" chopping off of heads stuff, right?

/mocking_hyprocrisy

36 posted on 07/01/2005 4:03:18 PM PDT by Kretek (WPPFF)
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To: joesnuffy

Stated chillingly but accurately, Snuff. The only reason why the Lefties are so concerned about the Muslims, are so concerned that their precious Koran might be mistreated, is that they regard the Islamofascists as allies in their cause to overthrown America.


37 posted on 07/01/2005 4:07:09 PM PDT by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (Washington State--Land of Court-approved Voting Fraud.)
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To: quidnunc

Bump for later reading.


38 posted on 07/01/2005 4:09:06 PM PDT by A2J (Oh, I wish I was in Dixie...)
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To: quidnunc

Pure trash.


39 posted on 07/01/2005 4:23:42 PM PDT by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To: quidnunc

To put the origin of the cruscades in historical perspective they are what would be termed today a "war of religious liberation". The fanatical Muslims spread rapidy
from Arabia, across northern Africa (which in the 7th century was largely Christian), into Spain and even into France. Christians saw themselves threatened by forced conversion, extinction, or the status of tributory serfs. It was in 732 that Charles Martel defeated their advance at Tours. It was later that a French pope (Urban II) proclaimed the First Cruscade in France in 1095. It was only after Spain was united under Ferdinand of Aragon and Isabella of Castille that the "reconquista" began in 1492 which finally eventuated in the liberation of the Spanish Christians from Muslim domination. Yes, as in any great historical movements there various other motives - commercial, political, etc. But it cannot be gainsaid that
without the crusades we possibly would be speaking Arabic today. It's an oversimplification but I'd say this is more bashing of Western civilization by not remembering the very real threat that existed --- and guess what? IT'S BACK!!


40 posted on 07/01/2005 5:29:54 PM PDT by T.L.Sink (stopew)
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