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Iran's New Leader Suspected in '89 Attack
YahooNews/AP ^ | July 2, 2005

Posted on 07/02/2005 6:14:10 AM PDT by nuconvert

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To: ValenB4

"Watch what you wish for regarding democracy. The Iranian people overhelmingly want to have nukes."


That's been one of my concerns about the whole "democracy" emphasis in our policy toward the Middle East. It's easy to get most of a population dreaming of greater and greater power, ala Pakistan or Iran. Massed millions of Islamo-fascists obsessed with nuclear weapons can be a lot more dangerous than a few autocrats who can (sometimes) be killed, deposed, threatened, etc. Democracy is not the panacea many seem to think, when dealing with cultures which have never known it and do not share a whole cluster of other related values...... (and let's not forget Hitler's Germany - although the Nazis never got more than 1/3 of the vote before they created a dictatorship, they certainly became increasingly popular in Germany throughout the '30s and into the 40s, not that anyone could successfully challenge them in electoral terms, but a large majority of Germans in 1940 would have enthusiastically embraced nuclear weapons for the Nazi state).


21 posted on 07/02/2005 10:11:44 AM PDT by Enchante (Kerry's mere nuisances: Marine Barracks '83, WTC '93, Khobar Towers, Embassy Bombs '98, USS Cole!!!)
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To: Darksheare
Your reading comprehension skills are pretty substandard. My reference to Khadaffi no longer being crazy is thanks to the Bush administration normalizing trade relations with Libya. Khadaffi was crazy and evil incarnate in 1986, but is apparently not anymore. What a stunning metamorphosis!

Khadaffi, unlike Saddam, was responsible for terrorists acts that killed Americans. But because Khadaffi is now willing to play ball with our internationist elite, he's now on the good list.

Regarding democracy in Iran, we don't have any basis to complain after what we pulled in 1953. Go on living in your dream world.

22 posted on 07/02/2005 10:29:16 AM PDT by ValenB4 ("Every system is perfectly designed to get the results it gets." - Isaac Asimov)
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To: Enchante

Well put and I agree except for one quibble. There is no such thing as "Islamofascism". That's a term made up by neocons who are too cowardly to criticize Islam. Islam's bad enough. In order for an ideology to exist, you must find adherents who identify themselves as such. You will never find someone claiming to be an Islamofascist.


23 posted on 07/02/2005 10:33:05 AM PDT by ValenB4 ("Every system is perfectly designed to get the results it gets." - Isaac Asimov)
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To: ValenB4

Interesting that you are starting with insults.
Means you lost.
Have a nice evening.


24 posted on 07/02/2005 10:33:28 AM PDT by Darksheare (Hey troll, Sith happens.)
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To: Darksheare

I didn't know there was a winning and losing. You're a genius in your own mind and woefully ignorant of history and not a very astute reader. Enjoy your "victory". LOL.


25 posted on 07/02/2005 10:45:12 AM PDT by ValenB4 ("Every system is perfectly designed to get the results it gets." - Isaac Asimov)
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To: bitt
You've got the wrong guy. He's this guy.


26 posted on 07/02/2005 10:48:29 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: ValenB4

I must be, you started beiing insulting.


27 posted on 07/02/2005 10:53:23 AM PDT by Darksheare (Hey troll, Sith happens.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

thanks, terrorists 'all look alike, to me'....


28 posted on 07/02/2005 1:55:21 PM PDT by bitt ('We will all soon reap what the ignorant are now sowing.' Victor Davis Hanson)
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To: Darksheare; ValenB4

hold your fire for the bad guys, you two...we are the good guys.


29 posted on 07/02/2005 1:56:18 PM PDT by bitt ('We will all soon reap what the ignorant are now sowing.' Victor Davis Hanson)
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To: bitt
thanks, terrorists 'all look alike, to me'....

Some have bigger noses. lol

30 posted on 07/02/2005 2:03:03 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: peeweesmid

knock, knock, knock.....hello?

We're talking about Iran. You apparently have a lot of reading to do. Read up on elections in the Soviet Union.

Iran is run by a Supreme Leader, Khamenei. Everyone is answerable to him. He is the final decision-maker on everything, including who gets to be a candidate.
Seeing as how it's a dictatorship, and Khamenei knew the results before the ballots were counted, it's best not to put too much stock in results & figures regarding the election.


32 posted on 07/02/2005 5:19:29 PM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: bitt
That picture is misleading,....that is not him....

We believe this is him:

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Discusion here:

Ex-Iranian Agent: Photo Not Ahmadinejad

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TEHRAN, Iran (AP) -

A top Iranian former secret agent said Saturday that the hostage-taker in a 1979 photograph that has come under intense scrutiny is not President-elect Mahmoud Ahmadinejad but a former militant who committed suicide in jail.

Saeed Hajjarian, a top adviser to outgoing President Mohammad Khatami, identified the man in the photo dating to the 1979 U.S. Embassy siege as Taqi Mohammadi.

33 posted on 07/02/2005 6:56:41 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: nuconvert; Grampa Dave; nuffsenuff; OXENinFLA; knighthawk; gopwinsin04; RaceBannon; FairOpinion; ...

Now it's getting interesting!


34 posted on 07/02/2005 7:02:35 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: bitt

http://rescueattempt.tripod.com/id28.html


35 posted on 07/02/2005 7:08:04 PM PDT by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

http://rescueattempt.tripod.com/id28.html

Nope, we were wrong on both guys, neither is the new president.


36 posted on 07/02/2005 7:09:24 PM PDT by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: RaceBannon; Ernest_at_the_Beach

yeah, maybe, but THEY ALL ARE TERRORISTS!!!

heh-heh...

E at the B - love your scratch-out skills...


37 posted on 07/02/2005 7:18:28 PM PDT by bitt ('We will all soon reap what the ignorant are now sowing.' Victor Davis Hanson)
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To: RaceBannon

Thanks Race. I believe the hostages too even if we don't have a pic. Yet.


38 posted on 07/02/2005 7:35:23 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: peeweesmid

I'm going out on a limb and say I know a lot more about Iran than you.

Rafsajani was NOT Khamenei's guy. I don't know any Iranians or any serious mideast writer who thinks that. Please provide a link so we can find out the source of your misinformation.


40 posted on 07/02/2005 9:04:41 PM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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