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Hard-Pressed Army Forced to Substitute Paintballs for Ammunition in Exercise (Canada)
The Brockville [ON] Recorder and Times ^ | July 2, 2005 | Dean Beeby [The Canadian Press]

Posted on 07/02/2005 9:48:09 PM PDT by quidnunc

Ottawa – Canadian soldiers testing their fighting skills in a rare urban exercise were forced to rent commercial paintball weapons because they couldn't get proper army gear, a newly disclosed document shows.

The unusual paintball battle was fought in the Halifax area last February, as the army practised helicopter evacuations in a hostile urban setting.

Four Griffon helicopters ferried troops from the Halifax Commons across the harbour to an unused military housing complex in Dartmouth, N.S., where room-to-room searches were conducted.

The dramatic training included some civilian participants, and drew curious citizens who were quick to snap souvenir pictures.

An internal report on Exercise Sky Trooper says the "venues provided the maximum amount of realism achievable for a contemporary operation."

But the faux evacuation was marred when soldiers were unable to use their army-issue practice ammunition, which fits into their rifles but fires only low-speed powder balls, leaving a harmless mark on the target.

Known under the trade name Simunition, the 5.56-calibre soft bullets are manufactured by SNC Technologies Inc.

Soldiers need to wear special protective gear when using Simunition, including helmets with face protectors, but a shortage of supplies meant there was none available for Exercise Sky Trooper.

So troops were forced to lay down their C-7 rifles, and pick up commercial paintball guns, rented locally. They also rented commercial paintball helmets, with face masks and neck protectors.

"The paintball did add limited realism to room clearing, (but) Simunition is clearly superior and will hopefully be available for future exercises," says the report, obtained under the Access to Information Act.

The army's limited supplies of Simunition protective gear had been reserved for higher-priority training operations in other parts of the country, the document says.

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(Excerpt) Read more at recorder.ca ...


TOPICS: Canada; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: canadiantroops; paintball

1 posted on 07/02/2005 9:48:10 PM PDT by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc

Actually, thats a very good idea.


2 posted on 07/02/2005 9:51:24 PM PDT by marron
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To: marron

I agree. Written like a hit peice...anti-military.

Here's that Simunition manufactured by SNC Technologies Inc.

http://www.simunition.com/index.php?section_id=70&secure=0&lang=en


3 posted on 07/02/2005 9:56:13 PM PDT by endthematrix ("an ominous vacancy" fills this space)
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To: quidnunc

At least they weren't spitballs.


4 posted on 07/02/2005 9:57:03 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: quidnunc

Witnessing what the leftists have done to Canada --- should horrify all Americans....and be foremost in their minds at the polls..

Semper Fi


5 posted on 07/02/2005 9:59:22 PM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: marron
The point is that the Canadian Army doesn' event have the resources necessary to equip their forces with up-to-date training gear.

While paint ball guns might be of some value in urban-warfare training, there's no way they would be as realistic as the troops' own weapons.

6 posted on 07/02/2005 10:07:46 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc

One of the big problems with using paintball guns and equipment for combat training is that a paintball can be stopped by thick brush, and induces people to mistake concealment for cover. A very fatal mistake.


7 posted on 07/02/2005 10:11:18 PM PDT by coydog (My bathroom djinn can beat up your bathroom djinn!)
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To: quidnunc
Fortunately I'm not at the mercy of the Canadian army to come to my rescue.

::thanks God for America, again.::
8 posted on 07/02/2005 10:13:29 PM PDT by birbear (I know it might be wrong, but I'm love with Stacy's mom. And Kim's. And Rachel's. And Janet's.)
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To: quidnunc

I'm working my way through Dallaire's book. The whole thing is hair-raising, but as hair-raising as anything is his description of the Canadian military, of which he is very proud. I don't think even he realizes how inept they sound to an outsider.

Of course, his description of the UN management is a must read for everyone, especially for people who love the UN, who are probably the least likely ever to read it.


9 posted on 07/02/2005 10:16:46 PM PDT by marron
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To: quidnunc

And then there's the US military's MILES gear, which is arguably better and discourages "cheating".

"BEEPBEEPBEEPBEEPBEEPBEEP" "You're dead!"


10 posted on 07/02/2005 10:20:19 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: river rat
"Witnessing what the leftists have done to Canada --- should horrify all Americans....and be foremost in their minds at the polls..

You beat me to the punch. Canada is profile of Europe and soon to be us if the public doesn't wise up.

11 posted on 07/02/2005 10:28:34 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: quidnunc

*sobs* Stop, stop. I can't bear any more. I want my country back, dammit! And I want it back now!


12 posted on 07/02/2005 11:19:31 PM PDT by Alexander Rubin (You make my heart glad by building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: quidnunc
It gets worse:

Canadian Navy War Games Simulator

13 posted on 07/02/2005 11:36:31 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Carnac: A siren, a baby and a liberal. Answer: Name three things that whine.)
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To: coydog
"One of the big problems with using paintball guns and equipment for combat training is that a paintball can be stopped by thick brush, and induces people to mistake concealment for cover. A very fatal mistake."

Another serious problem is that paintball guns can be heard before the balls reach their target which encourages players to expose themselves until they hear shots fired. When you see two paintballers shooting at each other from a distance of 30 yards or more, invariably they will take turns popping their heads up and shooting until they hear their opponents gun firing back at them. In real life that would get you killed.

14 posted on 07/03/2005 12:19:09 AM PDT by elmer fudd
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To: quidnunc
While paint ball guns might be of some value in urban-warfare training, there's no way they would be as realistic as the troops' own weapons.

I prefer the paint-ball method..

Reason?
Brandon Lee
Killed when real ammunition was mixed with blanks..

Soldiers in a training exercise, using standard issue weapons that are capable of firing real ammo, is a recipe for disaster..
How then, does the government explain to the parents that some functionally illiterate soldier "mistook" the real ammo for the "powder ball" training ammo.. and the resultant deaths..

15 posted on 07/03/2005 1:27:27 AM PDT by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Drammach

I'm not sure I follow. Are you saying soldiers at ASPs don't know the difference between M855 and, er ... don't know the difference between green tip and scrunchy tip? Or you're mocking some liberal somewhere who believes that?

FWIW, paintball training is better than pointing your weapon and saying, "Bang, bang." All too often US soldiers must do the latter.


16 posted on 07/03/2005 1:54:39 AM PDT by Caesar Soze
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To: birbear
Fortunately I'm not at the mercy of the Canadian army to come to my rescue.

Now I've finally found a use for all those leftover beebee pellets. I'm sending out my first batch tomorrow.

17 posted on 07/03/2005 2:47:54 AM PDT by moog
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To: quidnunc
Canadian soldiers testing their fighting skills in a rare urban exercise were forced to rent commercial paintball weapons because they couldn't get proper army gear

Canada has an army?

Soldiers need to wear special protective gear when using Simunition, including helmets with face protectors, but a shortage of supplies meant there was none available for Exercise Sky Trooper.

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The missing equipment.
18 posted on 07/03/2005 3:46:57 AM PDT by SoIA-79 ("The plans differ; the planners are all alike." – Bastiat)
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To: birbear

"Fortunately I'm not at the mercy of the Canadian army to come to my rescue."

FYI

"Canadian snipers unofficially were credited with killing 20 Al-Qaeda members during Operation Anaconda in the Shahi Kot Valley. Two sniper teams also were recommended for the U.S. Bronze Star."

National Defense Magazine, January 2004


19 posted on 07/03/2005 4:08:17 AM PDT by Gum Shoe
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To: quidnunc
Canada - a country with John Francois Cheri's dream spitball army. Come to think of it, French do live there. Little France by the Saint Lawrence.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
20 posted on 07/03/2005 4:13:10 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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