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Europe's Angry Muslims
Foreign Affairs ^ | July/Aug 2005 | Robert S. Leiken

Posted on 07/04/2005 7:34:35 AM PDT by mal

The footprint of Muslim immigrants in Europe is already more visible than that of the Hispanic population in the United States. Unlike the jumble of nationalities that make up the American Latino community, the Muslims of western Europe are likely to be distinct, cohesive, and bitter. In Europe, host countries that never learned to integrate newcomers collide with immigrants exceptionally retentive of their ways, producing a variant of what the French scholar Olivier Roy calls "globalized Islam": militant Islamic resentment at Western dominance, anti-imperialism exalted by revivalism.

(Excerpt) Read more at realclearpolitics.com ...


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To: OKIEDOC

Are you forced by an HMO to go to foreign doctors with this attitude? I certainly wouldn't. Let them go back to their disease-ridden hellholes and do some good there. Oh, I forgot, they DO love our money.


21 posted on 07/04/2005 8:21:29 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: mal

Muslims are pissed off because they themselves "are" Muslims and even more pissed off because others aren't Muslims.

Misery loves company.


22 posted on 07/04/2005 8:27:02 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Activist liberal Judges, have turned the SCOTUS into a malignancy, devouring the US Constitution.)
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To: Larry Lucido

LOL! Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back. But that is a goodun, for sure.


23 posted on 07/04/2005 8:29:03 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Activist liberal Judges, have turned the SCOTUS into a malignancy, devouring the US Constitution.)
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To: starfish923
The Angry Muslims, a very small minority of the 1 billion Muslims in the world

How many fewer than 1 billion Muslims would there be in the world if conversion from Islam were not punishable by death?

I don't doubt that most Muslims are not angry, because I'm guessing that most Muslims don't care about religion any more than most Christians do these days.

But I think the proporation of "angry" Muslims is a lot higher among those who take the religion seriously.

Moreover, the Muslim world has allowed "the angry Muslims" to become the public face of Islam, just as the good Germans allowed Hitler to become the public face of Germany. All Muslims must take responsibility for that. The few statements of opposition by the Muslim world to the barbaric and wonton Muslim war on the west have been tepid, scarce and sparsely attended.

If Islam has any redeeming qualities or benefits to bestow on humanity, they have yet to be made clear to me.

And don't tell me it's because of the MSM only talking about "angry" Muslims. This is the same MSM that has virtually censored any pictures of 9-11 since a few months after that horrific event.

24 posted on 07/04/2005 8:32:00 AM PDT by Maceman (The Qur'an is Qur'ap.)
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To: starfish923
Most Muslims, believe it or not, are not angry, even a lot of the time. They are too busy just living.

But....... at the end of the day, we are still infidels in their eyes.

25 posted on 07/04/2005 8:32:56 AM PDT by umgud (Comment removed by poster before moderator could get to it)
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To: Always A Marine

Despite the irrational and incessant hatred toward France often demonstrated here, it's interesting that France is the country that has been taking this problem the most seriously and has the most severe policies. The British are really out to lunch. But it looks like the post WW2 guilt is fading away and European attitudes from top to bottom are finally changing. At least that is encouraging.


26 posted on 07/04/2005 8:41:10 AM PDT by ValenB4 ("Every system is perfectly designed to get the results it gets." - Isaac Asimov)
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To: mal

BTTT for later reference. Outstanding, yet chilling, article.


27 posted on 07/04/2005 8:47:11 AM PDT by MattinNJ (Allen/Pawlenty in 08-play the map.)
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To: mal

Homeland Security had better wake up to the danger of EU Muslim travelers.


28 posted on 07/04/2005 8:51:05 AM PDT by hershey
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To: mal
It's gonna be pretty funny when that war starts.
29 posted on 07/04/2005 8:55:26 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Every evil which liberals imagine Judaism and Christianity to be, islam is.)
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To: ValenB4

well said


30 posted on 07/04/2005 8:59:15 AM PDT by Kelly_2000 (Because they stand on a wall and say nothing is going to hurt you tonight. Not on my watch)
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To: Larry Lucido

Nice find, I've been looking for something lately myself.


31 posted on 07/04/2005 9:02:27 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (This space intentionally blank) (NRA)
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To: ValenB4
Despite the irrational and incessant hatred toward France often demonstrated here, it's interesting that France is the country that has been taking this problem the most seriously and has the most severe policies.

France is a very interesting case in many regards. Though the French can be stubborn, haughty, condescending and sometimes very wrong about many things, they also possess a stunning volatility. And when the French decide that they've had enough, they can act swiftly, violently, and without mercy.

All of these qualities, good and bad, will come in handy when a critical mass of Frenchmen realize their nation's survival is at stake. Though still unthinkable right now, mass expulsion is the only viable way for Western Europe to survive. I believe that France will lead the way. The backlash will be brutal, and the distinctive Muslim minorities will have no place to hide.

32 posted on 07/04/2005 9:03:03 AM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: mal

IMO muslims hate themselves as much as they hate everyone else. (Everyone hates muslims).


33 posted on 07/04/2005 9:07:39 AM PDT by tkathy (Tyranny breeds terrorism. Freedom breeds peace.)
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To: freeangel

THANK YOU!
WHY are they angry? They LEFT a country( presumably) they no longer wanted to be in, and moved to one they DID want to live in-and they're 'bitter' and angry?
Could it be that- like most sociopaths- their misery is based one WHO and WHAT they are, not WHERE they are? They don't escape misery, they bring it with them!
There is only one solution to the miserable/criminal/terrorist
Muslim problem- the obvious one that no one has the guts to initiate- DEPORTATION.
Right back to the Islamic paradise of their origin- or admiration.


34 posted on 07/04/2005 9:17:32 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: mal
The mass immigration of Muslims to Europe was an unintended consequence of post-World War II guest-worker programs. Backed by friendly politicians and sympathetic judges, foreign workers, who were supposed to stay temporarily, benefited from family reunification programs and became permanent. Successive waves of immigrants formed a sea of descendants.

Think GWB's "guest workers." It's amnestia and nothing else.

Unlike their U.S. counterparts, who entered a gigantic country built on immigration, most Muslim newcomers to western Europe started arriving only after World War II, crowding into small, culturally homogenous nations.

Mass immigration will destroy America as well, probably before it destroys Europe. This is just PC.

In Europe, host countries that never learned to integrate newcomers

Immigration so huge, either in Europe or America, that it will soon make the natives a minority in their own homeland is a historical tidal wave that can't be dealt with by learning "to integrate newcomers", that is to say by a government program, any more than damage by that tsunami a while back could have been stopped by a government decree. When Muslims are a majority in a country what will all this blather about better integration mean? And what does integrating newcomers mean in the first place except sacrificing the local culture for the benefit of the colonists (and putting more power to control society in the hands of the centralized authorities)?

Muslim Brotherhood, curses his new homeland: "Oh sweet France! Are you astonished that so many of your children commune in a stinging naal bou la France [fuck France], and damn your Fathers?"

Except, of course, these are not France's children, anymore than a kitten born in an oven is a biscuit. Here we have the real problem, this ridiculous pretense that nations are obsolete, that they consist of anyone who pays taxes and is obedient to the central government and who adheres to some ever-changing liberal "creed." Or in the case of these Muslims don't, since their very antagonism to Western society serves the purpose of the elite who brought them and keep them there. They are the stormtroopers of the elite's assault on society and a weapon of control and thus are not held to the alleged standards of modern leftism.

In a fit of absentmindedness, during which its academics discoursed on the obsolescence of the nation-state, western Europe acquired not a colonial empire but something of an internal colony

Exactly. There has been a lot of loose talk about America being an empire, it is an empire, but an internal one, a culture-less collection of disparate peoples held together by force and money, and when the money gives out, people will be stunned by how quickly it all falls apart.

35 posted on 07/04/2005 9:22:05 AM PDT by jordan8
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To: freeangel

Accomodation means to tolerate cultural diversity on condition that individuals assimilate to the dominant national culture. The segregation of Turks in Germany is largely of their own choosing.


36 posted on 07/04/2005 9:42:34 AM PDT by RobbyS (chirho)
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To: mal
Perhaps we should revisit Sir Winston Churchill's warning about Islam:

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property‹either as a child, a wife, or a concubine‹must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science (the science against which it had vainly struggled) the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."

[from The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248 50 (London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899)]

37 posted on 07/04/2005 9:42:40 AM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: AD from SpringBay

Wake up and smell the coffee. The article is long but well worth a thorough read.


38 posted on 07/04/2005 9:46:22 AM PDT by Inkie (Surround Fallujia and start shooting.)
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To: mal
The best thing we can do is what the US and it's allies are doing. Democratize the middle east. When their home countries are properous, they will move home.

Are the eurinals smart enough to see this? Darned few of them are. Britain, the Netherlands, Poland, and a few others, but for the main part of europe, they are sitting on their thumbs crying "woe is me".

39 posted on 07/04/2005 10:07:36 AM PDT by McGavin999 (i)
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To: Inkie

Huh? Somebody didn't get my sarcasm? That's weird.


40 posted on 07/04/2005 10:50:36 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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