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Is the Drug War a Conservative or Liberal Issue? (Warning: I am a Newbie to starting posts)
Sensei Ern

Posted on 07/05/2005 9:30:27 AM PDT by Sensei Ern

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To: Politicalities

So you say drugs should be legalized and "regulated" yet you also say it's not the government's business? Make up your mind.


61 posted on 07/05/2005 10:20:13 AM PDT by k2blader (Was it wrong to kill Terri Shiavo? YES - 83.8%. FR Opinion Poll.)
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To: Politicalities
Yep, we have a dual standard here ... you can legally get drunk, but not high.

I'm lucky, I do neither, but I just don't get the hypocrisy.

62 posted on 07/05/2005 10:20:28 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: mysterio
And the problem it attempted to solve was not worth the solution imposed.

If we didn't spend the money arresting them for drug sales/use, we'd be arresting them for something else.

I am not a drug user.

I never said you were. You might want to read my post again, slowly.

63 posted on 07/05/2005 10:21:19 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody

You are crazy. It is ILLEGAL to rape someone, just like to is illegal to take drugs.


64 posted on 07/05/2005 10:21:38 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: downtoliberalism

"I have never understood victimless crimes."

Me neither! As far as I'm concerned, if there's no victim, there's no crime.

Along those lines, I think drugs, gambling and prostitution should all be legalized. If people screw themselves over in their indulgence of any one of those, so be it. They should be free to do that. But they should also know that when they do, its nobody else's fault (or problem) but their's.


65 posted on 07/05/2005 10:22:01 AM PDT by Pessimist
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To: mysterio; Blood of Tyrants; Sensei Ern
He just made it up so he could get high.

No, he made it up so that he could make an argument for legalizing drugs. He had to suffer a few days without any pain medication, therefore drugs should be legalized. I'm just not buying it. It was the 2nd dentist that tipped me off. That's why I said specious - it sounds plausible but it's not. The whole thing is made up.

66 posted on 07/05/2005 10:22:03 AM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (We're living in the Dark Ages.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Legalize drugs and you will defund the gangs.

So legalize drugs and the guys who sell them will suddenly become law-abiding citizens?

Riiiiiiiight.

67 posted on 07/05/2005 10:22:27 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Indy Pendance

"(The gov has probably a written plan of action if they go that way, laws and guidelines, etc already developed)"

The government does not make plans waiting for the perfect time to impliment them. They do look at trends and determine how to respond. Most of the time, though, the people of the government have their heads up their behinds trying to figure out how they can keep their cushy job rather than how they can impliment some grand scheme.


68 posted on 07/05/2005 10:22:50 AM PDT by Sensei Ern (Christian, Comedian, Husband,Opa, Dog Owner, former Cat Co-dweller, and all around good guy.)
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To: MEGoody
Not suddenly and unexpectedly. And both parties know that the smoker is smoking and can address the situation appropriate.

Sorry, who's "both"? And anyone who lights a cigarette is aware that he's taking a risk with his health, just as anyone who lights a joint or pops a pill has the same awareness.

I don't think you want to hear what I have to say about alcohol.

Oh, but I do. If you think alcohol should be banned, please say so. Say it loudly and frequently. Demonstrate beyond doubt that you refuse to learn from history and are perfectly willing to follow policies that are proven failures.

And eating fatty foods is dangerous.

Only to the eater.

Ah. So you're saying that consuming drugs is dangerous to other than the consumer, because drugs Take Control of you and make you do Bad Things. Do you call yourself a conservative? Because most conservatives believe in something called personal responsibility. Most conservatives believe that if you willingly take part in an activity that might cause you to do something illegal, you get the blame for your actions, not the activity or substance that led to them. Should we ban books that are critical of the government, since reading them might cause people to take violent action?

When your sister has been raped and thrown out a window by someone who is high, let me know.

Okay. I think that we should execute all people who choose handles that start with ME, because those people are dangerous. When your sister has been raped and thrown out a window by somebody whose name starts with ME, let me know. Until then, you have no right to an opinion. Neener neener neener.

Hey, logical fallacies are fun!

69 posted on 07/05/2005 10:22:51 AM PDT by Politicalities (http://www.politicalities.com)
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To: headsonpikes
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70 posted on 07/05/2005 10:23:16 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: softwarecreator
I am always confused on why alcohol is legal but weed isn't ... how is this rationalized?

It isn't as if we didn't try to ban alcohol. The stuff was deemed to be enough of a scourge on society that we criminalized it for many years in the early 20th century. It's just difficult to ban an addictive recreational substance once it's been legal for so long. The arguments for banning alcohol are much stronger than the arguments for banning marijuana.

71 posted on 07/05/2005 10:24:05 AM PDT by Junior_G
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To: Quick1
Plenty of people who do dumb or violent things while sober, too.

True enough. But study after study has shown that drug and alcohol use are the biggest contributors to violence, particularly in the home.

So let me know when YOUR sister gets raped and thrown out a window by someone who is high.

72 posted on 07/05/2005 10:24:08 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Sensei Ern

"As a positive side effect, most drug abusers are liberals."

Hard core Abusers of hard substances?...perhaps...

Hemp smokers in general?...

*cough*....stereotype....*cough*

Working class people dont like crime any more than anyone else....

Cut hemp from the herd and you'll get so many tips on the hard crap ,they cant all be checked...


73 posted on 07/05/2005 10:24:50 AM PDT by Crim (I may be a Mr "know it all"....but I'm also a Mr "forgot most of it"...)
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To: softwarecreator
I am always confused on why alcohol is legal but weed isn't ... how is this rationalized?

History, mainly. There is absolutely no logical rationale for the one to be legal and the other to be prohibited, other than the fact that historically alcohol was the drug of choice for the powerful and marijuana was the drug of choice for the powerless.

74 posted on 07/05/2005 10:25:09 AM PDT by Politicalities (http://www.politicalities.com)
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp

"He had to suffer a few days without any pain medication, therefore drugs should be legalized".

Who cares if he never suffered a second? Or for that matter if he made it up?

Are you saying that as "free" people, we should only be allowed to do what the government "allows" us to do?

Exactly how is that philosophy squared w/ our Constitution?


75 posted on 07/05/2005 10:25:46 AM PDT by Pessimist
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To: Quick1

I'm up for that...we can all drive big nerf-mobiles and wear goalie outfits everywhere...


76 posted on 07/05/2005 10:26:36 AM PDT by Crim (I may be a Mr "know it all"....but I'm also a Mr "forgot most of it"...)
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To: k2blader
So you say drugs should be legalized and "regulated" yet you also say it's not the government's business? Make up your mind.

If I were the dictator, I'd legalize drugs and impose no mandatory regulations on them. (My assumption is that probably private regulatory companies such as the Underwriters Laboratories and Consumers Union would arise to give voluntary stamps of approval to various products, as consumers would likely demand.) But I'm not the dictator, and getting drugs legalized, regulated, and taxed would be far, far preferable than the current situation, and a lot more politically possible than just getting the government to leave everybody the hell alone.

77 posted on 07/05/2005 10:27:30 AM PDT by Politicalities (http://www.politicalities.com)
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To: need_a_screen_name
Too many people sitting in jail for non-violent simple possession crimes. Let them out and make room for violent offenders.

The trouble with this is that many are only there for "non-violent simple possession" because they plea bargained to a lesser charge. If you were to get rid of the easy plea bargain system we use, and charged, for example, weapons charges whenever they applied, I might agree. But only if we also banned recreational drug users from any public medical assistance. And, yes, I include tobacco and alcohol in this.

78 posted on 07/05/2005 10:27:40 AM PDT by LexBaird (tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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To: need_a_screen_name
Well said. Lets make a bit more room for real criminals, you know like, Pedophiles!

I've heard of people spending more time in prison for a gram of cocaine than a pervert who steals the innocence of a child. hmmmmmmmm! makes ya wonder.
79 posted on 07/05/2005 10:27:59 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: MEGoody

"And eating fatty foods is dangerous."
>> Only to the eater.

Not really. What if some tub of lard gets a heart attack while driving?

>> When your sister has been raped and thrown out a window >> by someone who is high, let me know.

Try blaming the a##hole - not the drugs.


80 posted on 07/05/2005 10:28:34 AM PDT by Pessimist
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