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Is the Drug War a Conservative or Liberal Issue? (Warning: I am a Newbie to starting posts)
Sensei Ern
Posted on 07/05/2005 9:30:27 AM PDT by Sensei Ern
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I wrote this a year ago. I was reminded after listening to Michael Graham talking about those in congress considering making sudafed, et al, over the counter drugs because they are a key ingredient in meth.
I wonder how many people would die from over dosing. I suspect it would level off around 3% of the population of the U. S. That is about 7.5 million. That is just a WAG, so I could be wrong.
To: Sensei Ern
"For many years, I have been a strong opponent of legalizing drugs."
I think decriminalizing drug use would be a better idea. Too many people sitting in jail for non-violent simple possession crimes. Let them out and make room for violent offenders.
To: Sensei Ern
If drugs were to be legalized, they should be regulated like alcohol and cigarettes...have a legal purchasing age. We already have what you desire. The doctor's prescription is the regulation and it also determines a legal purchasing age.
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posted on
07/05/2005 9:36:58 AM PDT
by
Socratic
(Liberal's motto: Capio ergo sum.)
To: Sensei Ern
If drugs were to be legalized, they should be regulated like alcohol and cigarettes... Libertarians are welcome, just don't expect a lot of support.
Ya might even get a "Troll" alert for such statements.
To: Sensei Ern
There are a number of Freepers in good standing who oppose the War On Drugs for various reasons. That is one of the issues that divides us here. It can get pretty contentious, but I think at the time, most agree to disagree politely, certainly not as bad as those Evolution vs Creationism threads!In general, I am a libertarian on the issue (against the WOD), but its not one of those things that is on the front burner, so to speak.
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posted on
07/05/2005 9:38:30 AM PDT
by
Paradox
(and then sometimes...)
To: Sensei Ern
But... But... If we let people treat their own pain, then someone might get high. And we all know that the most important issue in America is to keep those damned druggies from getting high. It was worth selling out our Bill of Rights, doncha know. Every day I feel a creeping fear that someone, somewhere might be getting high. And we can stop that from happening with the perfect new law. I recently realized that if we put everyone in jail whether they have commited an offense or not, we could probably keep everyone from getting high.
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posted on
07/05/2005 9:41:45 AM PDT
by
mysterio
To: Sensei Ern
Not bad for a "newbie" posting =)
I don't use drugs and never will so I personally could not care less one way or another. But ...
You make good points for advocating de-criminalization if drugs. To me, it seems to be, "Why not"? We are not stopping anyone from using them anyway and maybe we could take some of the tax burden off of smokers and drinkers and put it on drug users.
Question: You screen name says "Senei", what are you a Sensei of?
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posted on
07/05/2005 9:44:05 AM PDT
by
softwarecreator
(Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
To: mysterio
Exactly!
Gotta make more laws you know. After all, thats what seperates Conservatives from Liberals right? Ooops!
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posted on
07/05/2005 9:45:44 AM PDT
by
LongsforReagan
(Not a Hannity Republican who just spouts talking points.)
To: Sensei Ern
Oh boy, you asked for it... :-)
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posted on
07/05/2005 9:46:59 AM PDT
by
Terriergal
(What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
To: need_a_screen_name
Too many people sitting in jail for non-violent simple possession crimes Exactly. Although I don't think they should be released outright because when they did it, it was illegal, but maybe lower the sentences.
I heard a story a long time ago about a guy selling a LOT of marijuana who got something like 40 years to life (or some such nonsense), yet convicted child molesters are free after a few years to molest again.
Our priorities are a bit warped.
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posted on
07/05/2005 9:48:46 AM PDT
by
softwarecreator
(Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
To: Sensei Ern
The problem is viewing all substances as "equal"...
Anyone with an IQ over 50 knows hemp isnt as harmful as coke heroin, meth, or even abused alchohol..
Another problem is unequal enforcement...a coke user will only test positive for about 24-48 hrs...a hemp user will test positive for up to 28 days...
While a coke user will exhibit behavior traits and screw up a job...chances are...the hemp user has a family and works 40 hours a week safely...
The biggest problem is the ill gotten booty the state "steals' under the guise of forfieture...the "property" is accused of the crime....and given to the state free of charge...in many cases...without a "person" ever being charged with a crime...
Those of us who believe in personal responsibility think those who actually screw up should be held responsible....while the rest would simply like to be left alone to enjoy their "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness"...
Until their actions directly effect another adversely....they should be left alone....and leave resources for more important tasks...
Like catching killers and baby rapers and the scum that go out of their way to adversely effect other people...
my 2.5 cents.
Your mileage may vary
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posted on
07/05/2005 9:49:48 AM PDT
by
Crim
(I may be a Mr "know it all"....but I'm also a Mr "forgot most of it"...)
To: Sensei Ern
Another dentist did another root canal...and again did not get the whole root. I find it unbelievable that a 2nd dentist also screwed up.
I also think your reasoning is specious. You went from debilitating pain, to thinking back to how drugs were prescribed 100 years ago, to legalizing drugs if you're of legal purchasing age. It doesn't quite ring true.
Nice try, though.
To: LongsforReagan
I also think if they create a 90 percent income tax across the board, we might just have enough money to keep everyone from getting high. We can put another million officers on the street to random drug test everyone at all times. There's no expectation of privacy in public.
And water is used in the making or growing of almost every drug. We need to keep it behind the counter and keep track of who is using too much of it. They might be growing drugs.
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posted on
07/05/2005 9:50:34 AM PDT
by
mysterio
To: Paradox
I am a libertarian on the issue (against the WOD), but its not one of those things that is on the front burner, so to speak. I fall into this camp too. There clearly is something wrong with a policy whose biggest proponents are the ones violating it (and getting rich). I would be content with the more libertarian approach or a far more draconian approach that made liberal use of the death penalty. What we are doing is a stupid waste of time, money and resources and we should have figured that out after 50 years of failure.
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posted on
07/05/2005 9:50:53 AM PDT
by
jackbenimble
(Import the third world, become the third world)
To: Paradox
certainly not as bad as those Evolution vs Creationism threads Or as bad as the Terri threads? Those get very ugly!
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posted on
07/05/2005 9:51:04 AM PDT
by
softwarecreator
(Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp
Yeah, he's just a dirty drug user who doesn't have pain at all. He just made it up so he could get high. We should track his IP and send the jackboots to kick his door in.
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posted on
07/05/2005 9:52:07 AM PDT
by
mysterio
To: Sensei Ern
I called the emergency number only to be told I could see the doctor on Monday. TWO WHOLE DAYS IN EXTREME PAIN!Not necessary. Go to an urgent care facility or the ER.
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posted on
07/05/2005 9:52:14 AM PDT
by
MEGoody
(Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
To: Sensei Ern
not sure legalizing or not would matter. kids often steal mom and dad's prescription drugs from home and half the little snots are now on Ritilin or similar stuff anyway.
got a problem, take a pill. hard to "just say no" when that's the way it is today and meth is easily made at home and readily available anywhere.
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posted on
07/05/2005 9:52:39 AM PDT
by
Rakkasan1
(every day is a gift, that's why they call it the present.)
To: Rakkasan1
There's no way meth can be a societal problem! We passed a law that made it illegal!
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posted on
07/05/2005 9:53:42 AM PDT
by
mysterio
To: Sensei Ern
If drugs were to be legalized, they should be regulated like alcohol and cigarettes...have a legal purchasing age. So you think stuff like crystal meth should be legalized and "regulated"?
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posted on
07/05/2005 9:54:19 AM PDT
by
k2blader
(Was it wrong to kill Terri Shiavo? YES - 83.8%. FR Opinion Poll.)
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